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THAT WOULD BE FUNNY. 
          WELL, WELCOME EVERYBODY 
          [ 6:00 P.M. - CONVENE MEETING / ROLL CALL]
TO OUR COUNTS MEETING FOR JULY 11TH, 2023. 
          I WELCOME EVERYBODY BEING HERE AND, UH, LET'S, UH, GO TO OUR ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 
          ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. 
          OKAY? 
          [ PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG]
SO IF YOU PLEASE STAND, WE'RE GOING TO DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, WHICH I'LL LEAD US IN. 
          AND I DON'T SEE KEITH WHO IS GOING TO LEAD US IN OUR INVOCATION UNLESS KEITH IS HERE, DON'T SEE HIM. 
          SO WE ALWAYS FALL TO PLAN B, WHICH IS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ART BILL TO LEAD US. 
          SO PLEASE JOIN ME IN A PLEDGE TO OUR COUNTRY. 
          I PLEDGE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO FLAG FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          ALL 
          [ INVOCATION: Chaplain Keith Roby, Chino Valley Independent Fire District]
RIGHT, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE JOIN ME IN WHATEVER CUSTOM YOU HAVE, UH, IN, UH, ASKING FOR GOD'S BLESSING FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING. 
          FATHER GOD, AS WE MEET HERE TONIGHT, WE ARE SO HAPPY THAT WE LIVE IN SUCH A WONDERFUL COUNTRY. 
          WE'VE HAD THIS 4TH OF JULY WEEKEND THAT WE'VE JUST GONE THROUGH RECENTLY, AND WE HAVE BEEN EVER MINDFUL OF ALL OF THE WONDERFUL THINGS THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN US IN THIS COUNTRY AND AS INDIVIDUALS AND THE BLESSINGS THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO THIS CITY TONIGHT AS WE MEET. 
          WE THANK YOU LORD FOR THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. 
          IT IS THE DESIRE OF THIS CITY COUNCIL TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL INPUT ON ALL MATTERS BEFORE THIS CITY COUNCIL. 
          WE PRAY TONIGHT, LORD, THAT YOU WILL GIVE EACH ONE OF US ON THIS DS THE WISDOM, THE KNOWLEDGE, AND THE CARING TO DEAL WITH THE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON WITHIN OUR CITY. 
          THAT WE WILL LOOK AT THE AGENDA ITEMS, THAT WE WILL TREAT THEM WITH RESPECT, PROFESSIONALISM, AND WITH DUE CONSIDERATION. 
          AGAIN, WE APPRECIATE ALL THE ATTENDEES TONIGHT. 
          WE APPRECIATE THE STAFF THAT IS THE BACKBONE OF THIS CITY THAT KEEPS IT BEING THE CITY AND THE TYPE OF CITY THAT WE ARE ALL SO BLESSED AND PRIVILEGED TO COME HOME TO AND CALL HOME ALL OF THESE THINGS WE PRAY FOR. 
          IN JESUS' NAME. 
          AMEN. 
          AMEN. 
          THANK YOU ART. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR 
          [3. PROCLAMATION - Proclaiming July as Parks Make Life Better Month]
AGENDA IS A PROCLAMATION PROCLAIMING JULY IS PARKS MAKE LIFE BETTER MONTH TO BE ACCEPTED BY THE COMMUNITY, COMMUNITY SERVICES STAFF. 
          WILL YOU PLEASE JOIN THE MAYOR AT THE PODIUM? YES, PLEASE JOIN ME. 
          HELLO, YOU THREE. 
          HOW ARE YOU? WELCOME. 
          CHINO HILLS IS VERY PROUD OF OUR PARK TRAIL SYSTEM, RECREATION PROGRAMS, ET CETERA. 
          AND TODAY WE DO PROCLAIM JULY AS PARKS MAKE LIFE BETTER MONTH. 
          THIS CITY PLACES A HIGH PRIORITY ON THINGS THAT IMPROVE OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. 
          NOT MANY CITIES HAVE THE SAME VOLUME OF OPEN SPACE AND PARKS AS WE HAVE. 
          WE ARE NOW, WE NOW HAVE 44 PARKS, 3000 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE AND 48 MILES OF TRAILS, WHICH BECAME, CAME IN VERY HANDY DURING A COVID ERA. 
          OUR PROGRAMS, PARKS, TRAILS, AND OPEN SPACE PROVIDE TREMENDOUS BENEFITS FOR OUR RESIDENTS, LIKE RECREATIONAL EXERCISE, A PLACE TO GATHER AND BRING FRIENDS TOGETHER. 
          WE'RE SIMPLY SPENDING TIME IN THIS BEAUTIFUL ENVIRONMENT. 
          THIS YEAR, THE COMMUNITY RELATIONS TEAM PUT TOGETHER A NICE VIDEO TO HIGHLIGHT THE MEANING ON PARKS MAKE LIFE BETTER MONTH. 
          LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THAT VIDEO BEFORE WE PROCEED. 
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HEY, CHANNEL HILLS, JULYS PARKS MAKE LIFE BETTER MONTH. 
          BUT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN EXACTLY? IT'S SIMPLE. 
          ENJOYING PARKS AND RECREATION CAN, IN MANY WAYS MAKE OUR LIVES AND THE COMMUNITY BETTER. 
          LUCKILY FOR YOU, THE CITY OF CHINO HILLS PLACES A HIGH PRIORITY ON THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OUR RESIDENTS. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, WE PURPOSEFULLY SET ASIDE LAND FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO ENJOY. 
          AS A RESULT, WE HAVE 44 PARKS, 3000 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE AND 48 MILES OF TRAILS TO EXPLORE. 
          SO IN HONOR OF PARKS MAKE LIFE BETTER MONTH, WE ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO ENJOY ALL OF THE AMENITIES THAT OUR PARKS PROVIDE. 
          GO FOR A HIKE, PLAY ON THE PLAYGROUNDS, KICK THE BALL AROUND, OR SIMPLY ENJOY A NICE VIEW. 
          EITHER WAY, GET OUT AND ENJOY BEING OUTDOORS BECAUSE AFTER ALL, PARKS REALLY DO MAKE LIFE BETTER. 
          GREAT JOB, MADISON. 
          TO ACCEPT THIS PROCLAMATION WE HAVE, UH, COMMUNITY SERVICES SPECIALIST, CHRISTIAN ALDO, NOAH CALDERON, AND MADISON R RNI, S ARANA, ARIA, ARIANNA. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, WHO WOULD LIKE TO STEP UP AND SAY A FEW WORDS? ALL RIGHT. 
          HELLO EVERYBODY. 
          UH, MY NAME IS NOAH AND I WORK OVER AT COMMUNITY PARK. 
          I'M ONE OF THE SPECIALISTS THERE, AND, UH, DAILY I JUST HELP OVERSEE THE NEW FRESHLY RENOVATED FIELDS, UH, MAKING SURE THEY'RE MAINTAINED, UH, EVERY DAY. 
          AND, UH, A REASON I THINK THAT PARKS MAKE LIFE BETTER IS, UM, AS A KID I GREW UP GOING TO THESE PARKS AND IT'S ACTUALLY PROBABLY BETTER THAN THE HIGH SCHOOL FIELD I PLAY ON, ESPECIALLY NOWADAYS. 
          AND IT'S JUST NICE. 
          UM, IT BRINGS ME A LOT OF JOY WORKING THERE. 
          CAUSE I SEE FAMILIES COME IN DAY IN AND DAY OUT, AND I JUST GET TO SEE THE NEXT GENERATION OF YOUNG BALL PLAYERS COME OUT AND FALL IN LOVE WITH THE GAME THAT I ONCE DID. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. 
          MY NAME IS MADISON AND I AM THE SPECIAL EVENT SPECIALIST. 
          I ENJOY WORKING IN RECREATION BECAUSE I'M ABLE TO GIVE BACK TO THE CITY I GREW UP IN. 
          WORKING IN SPECIAL EVENTS SPECIFICALLY. 
          IT TRULY IS REWARDING TO BRING JOY TO THE FAMILIES IN OUR COMMUNITY WITH THE EVENTS THAT WE DO HERE IN OUR CITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          HELLO EVERYONE. 
          MY NAME IS CHRISTIAN ALDO. 
          I'M THE YOUTH PROGRAM SPECIALIST. 
          SO I GET TO DO THINGS LIKE DAY CAMP AND TINY TOTS AND RUN DIFFERENT SPECIAL EVENTS LIKE BREAKFAST WITH SANTA AND KIDS NIGHT OUT. 
          SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I'VE REALLY ENJOYED FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS TO BE ABLE TO BE IN SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY IN DIFFERENT AREAS AS WELL AS THE KIDS AS WELL, AND PROVIDE GREAT PRO PROGRAMMING AND RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEM ALL. 
          COOL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, ON BEHALF OF, UH, MY COLLEAGUES ON CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITIZENS OF CHINO HILLS, WE WANT TO HONOR PARKS MAKE LIFE BETTER MONTH AND PRESENT YOU WITH A CERTIFICATE. 
          AND WITH THAT WE'LL DO A PHOTO, UM, IN, IN THE CENTER OVER THERE. 
          AND NEXT IS A PROCLAMATION 
          [4. PROCLAMATION - Proclaiming August 1st as National Night Out]
PROCLAIMING AUGUST 1ST AS NATIONAL NIGHT OUT TO BE ACCEPTED BY EMERGENCY SERVICES COORDINATOR JOYCE LEE, WILL YOU PLEASE JOIN THE MAYOR JOYCE RIGHT HERE. 
          THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 
          AS MOST OF US KNOW, CHINO HILLS IS ONE OF THE SAFEST CITIES IN CALIFORNIA AND THE UNITED STATES WE'RE ALWAYS BEING ACKNOWLEDGED AS, AS, UH, FOR YEARS WE'VE HAD THAT RECOGNITION. 
          ONE THING THAT KEEPS THE CITY SAFE IS A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY, LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE COMMUNITY. 
          EACH YEAR, NATIONAL NIGHT OUT EVENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY HELP HELP RAISE AWARENESS THE IMPORTANCE OF CRIME AND DRUG PREVENTION, AND PROVIDE CONNECTIONS BETWEEN THE CITY LAW ENFORCEMENT AND OUR NEIGHBORS. 
          THIS EVENT ENCOURAGES RESIDENTS TO DEVELOP RELATIONSHIPS WITH NEIGHBORS, WHICH WE SEE ALL THE TIME. 
          THE BLOCK PARTIES THAT TAKE PLACE AND ENJOY VISITS FROM UNIFORMED DEPUTIES, POLICE VOLUNTEERS, OR POLICE, OR POLICE AND FIRE OFFICIALS, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, ET CETERA. 
          TELL US MORE ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF NATIONAL NIGHT OUT IS OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES COORDINATOR JOYCE LEE. 
          SO JOYCE, LET'S HEAR FROM YOU. 
          SPEECH AND EVERYTHING. 
          GO FOR IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, THIS YEAR'S NATIONAL NIGHT OUT WILL BE ON TUESDAY, AUGUST 1ST. 
          NATIONAL NIGHT OUT IS AN ANNUAL COMMUNITY BUILDING CAMPAIGN HELD THROUGHOUT THE NATION TO PROMOTE POLICE AND COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS. 
          AS THE MAYOR HAD SAID, THESE PARTNERSHIPS HELP COMBAT CRIME, HEIGHTENED DRUG PREVENTION AWARENESS, AND STRENGTHEN NEIGHBORHOOD CAMARADERIE. 
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NEIGHBORS IN CHINO HILLS PARTICIPATE EACH YEAR BY HOSTING THEIR OWN POTLUCKS, ICE CREAM SOCIALS, AND DIFFERENT BLOCK GATHERINGS. 
          RESIDENTS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN HOSTING AN EVENT CAN REGISTER ONLINE AT THE CITY WEBSITE@CHINOHILLS.ORG SLASH NATIONAL NIGHT OUT. 
          AND IF YOU REGISTER BY JULY 18TH, YOU'LL RECEIVE A FREE ORGANIZATIONAL KIT, WHICH INCLUDES KIDS GIVEAWAYS, A BANNER AND CUSTOMIZED FLYERS. 
          CHINO HILLS CITY STAFF, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, POLICE DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS CHINO VALLEY FIRE DISTRICT PERSONNEL WILL COME OUT ALONG WITH MCGRUFF, THE CRIME FIGHTING DOG, AND SPARKY, THE FIRE SAFETY DOG, UM, TO VISIT AS MANY, UH, EVENTS AS POSSIBLE. 
          IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN LEARNING MORE OR HOSTING AN EVENT, PLEASE VISIT CHINO HILL.ORG/NATIONAL NIGHT OUT. 
          AND A BIG THANK YOU TO ALL THE PAST RESIDENTS WHO HAVE STEPPED UP TO HOST AN EVENT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          YOU'RE AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE SUCCESS OF THIS AWARD-WINNING PROGRAM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          SO, AGAIN, ON BEHALF OF OUR CITY COUNCIL AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, WE WANT TO OFFER THIS PROCLAMATION TO YOU AND HONORING OUR PARTICIPATION IN NATIONAL NIGHT OUT. 
          LET'S DO A PHOTO REAL QUICK. 
          THANK. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          NEXT IS THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF ACTIONS TAKEN IN CLOSED SESSION. 
          ANYTHING MARK, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          THERE'S NO REPORTABLE ACTION TAKEN THIS EVENING. 
          ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN WE MOVE 
          [5. PUBLIC COMMENTS: At this time members of the public may address the City Council regarding any items within the subject matter jurisdiction of the Council, whether or not the item appears on the agenda, except testimony on Public Hearing items must be provided during those hearings. Please complete and submit to the City Clerk a "Request to Speak" card.  Comments will be limited to three minutes per speaker.]
ON TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          AT THIS TIME, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING ANY ITEMS WITHIN THE SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION OF THE COUNCIL, WHETHER OR NOT THE ITEM APPEARS ON THE AGENDA, EXCEPT TESTIMONY ON PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS, WHICH MUST BE PROVIDED DURING THOSE HEARINGS. 
          PLEASE COMPLETE AND SUBMIT TO THE DEPUTY CITY CLERK A REQUEST TO SPEAK CARD. 
          COMMENTS WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER. 
          OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS JULIA CABRERA. 
          ARE THESE, ARE THESE MINE? THESE MINE? YES. 
          GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          MY NAME IS JULIA CABRERA. 
          I AM THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT DIRECTOR FROM THE CHINO VALLEY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. 
          AND JUST HERE TO ANNOUNCE SOME OF THE EVENTS THAT THE CHAMBER WILL BE HOSTING IN JULY AND AUGUST ON JULY 27TH FROM FIVE 30 TO 8:30 PM AT CHAFFEE, UH, COMMUNITY COLLEGE CENTER, WE'LL BE HOSTING OUR BUSINESS AWARDS DINNER. 
          WE'LL BE HIGHLIGHTING OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES, BUSINESS OWNERS, AND REFLECTING ON THE YEAR THAT THE CHINO VALLEY BUSINESS COMMUNITY HAS HAD ON AUGUST 27TH, UH, AT THE CHINO HILLS COMMUNITY CENTER. 
          WE WILL BE HOSTING OUR CHINO VALLEY LEADERSHIP COLLABORATIVE GRADUATION, AS WELL AS OUR INNOVATION COUNCIL. 
          UH, THE GRADUATION WILL BE FOR OUR LEADERSHIP COLLABORATIVE, AND WE WILL ALSO BE HEARING FROM THE MAYOR OF IRVINE, WHO WILL BE DISCUSSING HOW, DISCUSSING WITH OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY ON HOW WE BE WOULD BE ABLE TO CREATE AN INNOVATION COUNCIL, UM, IN THEIR CITY. 
          THEY CREATED AN INNOVATION COUNCIL, UH, WITH THE GOALS OF RETAINING AND ATTRACTING HIGH TECH BUSINESSES. 
          UM, AND SO WE'RE, UH, EXCITED TO HEAR FROM HI, UH, HER AND WHAT, UH, WE'D BE ABLE TO BRING TO THE CHINO VALLEY. 
          AND LAST, BUT NOT LEAST, ON AUGUST 10TH FROM 10:00 AM TO 3:00 PM AT, AT CHAFFEE COMMUNITY COLLEGE COLLEGE CENTER, WE'LL BE HOSTING OUR WOMEN'S CONFERENCE. 
          UH, WE'RE HIGHLIGHTING A VARIETY OF WOMEN, THOSE, INCLUDING VICE MAYOR CYNTHIA MORAN. 
          UM, WE'RE SUPER EXCITED FOR THIS EVENT. 
          IT'S THE FIRST FOR THE CHINO VALLEY CHAMBER. 
          UM, AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO HIGHLIGHT SOME VERY POWERFUL AND PROMINENT WOMEN IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND THOSE ARE IT FOR, UH, CHAMBER UPDATES. 
          GOOD. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          NEXT WE HAVE JOHN DING. 
          GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, CITY STAFF AND RESIDENT OF CHINO HILLS. 
          UH, MY NAME'S JOHN DIAM FROM CONGRESSWOMAN YOUNG KIM'S OFFICE. 
          JUST A QUICK UPDATE. 
          OUR, UH, UPCOMING EVENTS. 
          OUR OFFICE WILL BE HOSTING A, UH, VETERANS BENEFIT INFORMATION SEMINAR ON JULY 15TH AT COMMUNITY CENTER AT THE MARKETPLACE IN TUSSIN. 
          UM, THE CONGRESSWOMAN WILL BE PAINTING THE VE VIETNAM A VETERANS AND SPOUSE AT THE PAINTING CEREMONY. 
          UH, I HAD, I BROUGHT OVER SOME FLYERS, UH, I LEFT THEM OUTSIDE. 
          AND FEEL FREE 
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TO TAKE THEM AND MAKE SOME RSV P AND LET YOUR FRIEND NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, JOHN. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          AND JOHN, I HAVE FORWARDED THAT ON TO OUR 55 PLUS CLUB VETERANS CLUB, UH, TODAY, SO THEY KNOW ABOUT AS WELL. 
          M ATHENA AL. 
          GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. 
          UM, MY NAME IS ATHENA AL AND I'M A RESIDENT OF CHINO HILLS. 
          AND I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ON TWO, UH, TWO THINGS ACTUALLY. 
          I WANNA, UM, MAKE A STATEMENT ABOUT TWO THINGS. 
          ONE IS, UM, AGENDA 11. 
          AND I'M JUST WONDERING, I MEAN, UH, IF WE REALLY NEED TO BE SPENDING ON A MAYOR'S, I THINK IT WAS CALLED SOME SORT OF A BOARD OR DISPLAY, UM, WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IN CHINO HILLS, I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT'S, UH, PROPER USE OF FUNDS. 
          AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY FOCUS, UM, OUR FUNDING ON DIRECTLY SERVICE, UH, DIRECT SERVICES TO, UH, RESIDENTS OF CHINO HILLS. 
          I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT A BILLBOARD OR BOARD IS, IS THE RIGHT USE OF, OF OUR MONIES. 
          AND THE SECOND THING IS, UH, NUMBER 24, UM, EXCUSE ME, I RECEIVED, UH, EXCUSE ME, MA'AM. 
          YEAH, IF YOU COULD HOLD THOSE COMMENTS FOR 24 WHEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT IS THE FINAL PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION. 
          UNLESS THERE'S ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SUBMIT RONNIE GEIER, THE THIRD OF, UH, THIS MONTH WAS A REALLY, A WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE HERE IN THIS CITY FOR VETERANS, FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO, UH, SHARE THEIR LOVE OF FREEDOM FOR THE WAY WE DO IT HERE. 
          I HAD NEVER EVER BEEN TO THE, UH, VETERANS, UH, NIGHT TYPE OF THING THAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE BANDS. 
          YOU HAVE FOUR OR FIVE BANDS FOLLOWING ONE ANOTHER, ROCK AND ROLL, AND PEOPLE GET UP TO DANCE. 
          I'M A DANCER, SO I HAD NO PROBLEM DANCING. 
          WHAT I WAS SURPRISED WAS THAT THE PRESS THAT WAS THERE WAS LOVING IT. 
          AND THEY PUT A NICE LITTLE PICTURE OF ME FLYING AROUND A LITTLE BIT IN A VIDEO. 
          SO I PUT IT ON MY PAGE AS WELL. 
          THAT'S THE KIND OF COVERAGE THAT WE HAVE HERE IN OUR PRESS, AND IT'S VERY INDICATIVE OF WHAT WE HAVE EVERY TIME THAT I COME TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. 
          IT'S A LOVE FEST AND IT'S A RESPECT FOR EACH OTHER THAT WE ALWAYS SEE HERE, AND WE'VE ALREADY SEEN IT TONIGHT. 
          SO I WISH TO THANK, UH, PERSONALLY ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AND OUR ENJOYMENT OF WHAT WE DO HERE, UH, THROUGH RECREATION AND THROUGH MANY OTHER WAYS. 
          UH, A A PERSONAL THANK YOU TO, UH, TO THE CHAMPION NEWSPAPERS AND, UH, OUR, OUR MARVELOUS REPORTERS THAT ARE HERE. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, MUCH FOR, UM, FOR LETTING US BE OURSELVES HERE. 
          GOD BLESS. 
          THANK YOU, RONNIE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          MOVING 
          [ CONFLICT OF INTEREST ANNOUNCEMENTS: Council Member abstentions shall be stated at this time for recordation on the appropriate item.]
ON. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY CONFLICT OF INTEREST, MARK? COUNCIL MEMBER? NONE. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN WE'LL 
          [ CONSENT CALENDAR (14 ITEMS) - All matters listed on the Consent Calendar are considered routine by the City Council and may be enacted by one motion in the form listed below. There will be no separate discussion of these items unless, before the City Council votes on the motion to adopt, Members of the City Council or staff request the matter to be removed from the Consent Calendar for separate action. Removed consent items will be discussed immediately after the adoption of the balance of the Consent Calendar.]
MOVE ON TO OUR CITY BUSINESS AND CONSENT CALENDAR. 
          DOES ANYBODY WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS? UM, SIX THROUGH 19? BRIAN? NO, SIR. 
          NO. 
          YES, SIR. 
          TWO OF THEM 11 AND 13. 
          I HAVE NOTHING TO, OKAY. 
          LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO, I'LL MOVE THE REMAINDER MOTION. 
          SECOND. 
          MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO. 
          ITEM NUMBER 11 
          [11.  Authorize City Manager to negotiate and execute agreement with Architectural Design & Signs, Inc., in amount not-to-exceed $55,000 for design and build of a Mayor’s Display in the main lobby of Chino Hills City Hall, subject to City Attorney's approval as to form]
IS TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT WITH ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN AND SIGNS FOR A, TO BUILD A MAYOR'S DISPLAY IN THE MAIN LOBBY. 
          THANK YOU, CHERYL. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          PLEASE. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW OPPOSE DOING THIS, BUT, UH, FOR TAXPAYERS MONIES, UH, 55,000, UH, TO DO IT, I, I HAVE AN ISSUE. 
          I THINK WE AS A COUNCIL PROBABLY COULD RAISE THE MONEY, UH, THROUGH DIFFERENT CHARITIES OR FOUNDATIONS, AND I WOULD PREFER TO DO IT THAT WAY INSTEAD OF USING, UH, HARD, HARD MONEY THAT COULD BE USED FOR SOMETHING ELSE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           THROUGH IT IN THE CITY. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT, BUT I JUST WOULD LIKE TO PUT MORE RESPONSIBILITY, LIKE, SAY FOR ME, I'D GO OUT THERE AND RAISE $5,000 FOR THIS, AND I'D BE WILLING TO DO THAT, SO. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? BRIAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS? I, NO. 
          I, SORRY. 
          I BE MYSELF. 
          I HAD PROPOSED THAT CHEESE TWO, THREE YEARS AGO. 
          IN THEORY, IT WAS GONNA BE TO KIND OF HONOR OUR CITY'S 30TH BIRTHDAY, AND I THINK THINGS GOT IN THE WAY AND NOW IT'S BEEN DELAYED FOR A WHILE. 
          SO THAT WAS KIND OF WHY I HAD, I HAD THOUGHT UP THE IDEA, BECAUSE WE WERE GONNA TRY, I THINK WE BROUGHT ALL OF OUR OLD MAYORS BACK AND JUST TRY TO, YOU KNOW, FOR A YOUNG CITY, TRY TO CONNECT TO THE HISTORY OF THE 13 FOLKS 
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THAT HAVE BEEN MAYOR. 
          SO THAT WAS JUST MY THOUGHT INITIALLY FOR BRINGING IT UP. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY. 
          WELL, LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS. 
          I'LL MOVE THE ITEM. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL SECOND THE ITEM. 
          OKAY. 
          MOTION AND SECOND. 
          MOTION PASSES 41 WITH MARQUEZ VOTING NO. 
          THE NEXT ITEM, ITEM NUMBER 
          [13.  Accept donation from Chino Hills Community Foundation in amount of $10,000 for purchase and installation of bike repair stations at Grand Avenue Park, Chino Hills Community Center, and Chino Hills State Park; adopt budget amendment resolution for Fiscal Year 2023-24 increasing Community Services Fund Budget by $10,000; and determine project to be exempt from review under California Environmental Quality Act]
13, IS TO ACCEPT A DONATION FROM THE CHINO HILLS COMMUNITY FOUNDATION FOR THE PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION OF BIKE REPAIR STATIONS. 
          MR. MAYOR, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO THE FOUNDATION. 
          I KNOW WE HAVE TWO MEMBERS ON THAT FOUNDATION THAT ARE PART OF THE COUNCIL. 
          YOU GUYS DO A REMARKABLE JOB IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UM, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE AMOUNT OF MONIES THAT YOU GUYS HAVE RAISED FOR THE CITY, AND I'D LIKE TO GET THAT INFORMATION IN THE, IN THE NEAR FUTURE. 
          ALSO, I KNOW THAT THE CITY PARTICIPATES, UM, WITH STAFF TIME, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE EXACTLY IN THE FUTURE WHAT WE AS A CITY. 
          CAUSE WE'RE PUTTING MONEY INTO THIS TOO. 
          I'D LIKE TO SEE RUNNING TOTAL ON THAT TOO, BUT I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU THE FOUNDATION FOR DOING WHAT YOU DO. 
          TRULY APPRECIATE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, IT'S ON THE WEBSITE. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT, WE HAVE RAISED CLOSE TO $2 MILLION SO FAR IN OUR HISTORY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT, IT, I THINK WE SHOULD ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AT A COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH I OCCASIONALLY DO. 
          I BRING UP SOME OF THAT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M GONNA MOVE THE ITEM. 
          I'LL SECOND IT. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          FIVE ZERO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          NEXT WE MOVE ON TO THE DISCUSSION 
          [20.  Consider revising regular meeting start times of Parks and Recreation, Planning, and Public Works Commissions and introduce ordinance amending Chino Hills Municipal Code relating to start times of the three Commissions entitled: “An Ordinance of the City of Chino Hills Amending Title 2, Administration and Personnel, Chapter 2.28 - Boards and Commissions Generally, Section 2.28.090; Chapter 2.32 - Parks and Recreation Commission, Section 2.32.060; Chapter 2.36 - Planning Commission, Section 2.36.020; and Chapter 2.40 - Public Works Commission, Section 2.40.060 of the Chino Hills Municipal Code Relating to Time and Place of Meetings of Each Commission” for first reading by title only and waiving further reading]
CALENDAR. 
          IT'S TO CONSIDER REVISING THE REGULAR MEETING START TIMES FOR THE PARKS AND RECREATION PLANNING AND PUBLIC WORKS COMMISSIONS, AND TO INTRODUCE AN ORDINANCE TO EFFECTUATE THAT CHANGE. 
          UM, THIS WILL BE PRESENTED BY ASSISTANT CITY CLERK SMORE. 
          GOOD EVENING, MAYOR ROGERS, VICE MAYOR MORAN COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STAFF. 
          AS CHERYL STATED, THE ITEM BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, OUR CONSIDERATION, THE BOARDS AND COMMISSION MEETINGS, TIME CHANGE. 
          WE ARE NOW IN OUR SECOND MEETING AT 6:00 PM WHICH YOU, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED BY ORDINANCE AT THE MAY 24TH MEETING, SETTING THE NEW START TIME TO BE MORE IN LINE WITH OTHER ELECTED BODIES, SUCH AS THE FIRE DISTRICT SCHOOL BOARD IN THE CITY OF CHINO, AND ALSO TO PROVIDE MORE APPLE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO ATTEND. 
          SINCE CITY COUNCIL SETS SCHEDULES FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, THE CITY COMMISSION'S, PLANNING, PARKS AND RECREATION AND PUBLIC WORKS, ALL DISCUSSED AT THEIR JUNE MEETINGS, WHETHER TO BE IN LINE WITH COUNCIL'S START TIME IS 6:00 PM OR TO KEEP WITH THEIR 7:00 PM SCHEDULE. 
          THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING VOTED TO MAINTAIN ITS MEETINGS START TIME AT 7:00 PM CITING CONCERNS THAT CERTAIN COMMISSION MEMBERS, AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC MAY HAVE DIFFICULTY ARRIVING AT 6:00 PM DUE TO LONGER COMMUTES FROM WORK. 
          THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION AND PUBLIC WORKS COMMISSION VOTED TO CHANGE THEIR MEETING, START TIME TO 6:00 PM THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S MEETING TIMES ARE SET BY AN ORDINANCE, WHEREAS THE PARKS AND RECREATION AND PUBLIC WORKS COMMISSIONS ARE SET BY MINUTE ORDER STAFF HAS PREPARED TWO ORDINANCE OPTIONS FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION THAT ESTABLISH COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING START TIMES BASED ON COMMISSION PREFERENCE OR MEETING TIME CONSISTENCY. 
          OPTION ONE SETS THE MEETING TIMES FOR THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION AND THE PUBLIC WORKS COMMISSION AT 6:00 PM WHILE MAINTAINING THE PLAINTIFF PLANNING COMMISSION AT 7:00 PM OPTION TWO SETS THE MEETING TIMES FOR ALL COMMISSIONS AT 6:00 PM BOTH ORDINANCES WILL ALSO CHANGE SECTION 2.3, 6.020 OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO REMOVE INFORMATION REGARDING ALTERNATE LOCATIONS. 
          THAT IS NO LONGER NECESSARY. 
          STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT COUNCIL CONSIDER THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE ALTERNATIVES FOR THE PURPOSE OF ESTABLISHING THE REGULAR MEETING START TIMES OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION PLANNING AND PUBLIC WORKS COMMISSIONS. 
          THIS CONCLUDES MY REPORT AND IS NOW OPEN FOR DELIBERATION. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS. 
          SO WE HAVE, UM, START TIME OF COUNCIL MEETING AT SIX, WHICH MIMICS SOME OF THE OTHER ENTITIES, UH, THE BODIES IN TOWN, WHICH IS CHINO CITY COUNCIL AND, UH, SCHOOL, SCHOOL BOARD. 
          AND THEN, UH, WE'VE GOT TWO OF THE THREE THAT ARE SUGGESTING MOVING TO SIX. 
          AND THEN YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I UNDERSTAND FULLY, UH, I, I'M, I'M ONE FOR UNIFORMITY, SO I THINK CHANGING ALL TO SIX O'CLOCK WOULD BE MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE. 
          BUT HAVING SPENT 14 YEARS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BEING THE ONLY COMMISSION THAT MEETS TWO ON THE FIRST AND THIRD, UH, TUESDAYS OF THE MONTH, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE ITEMS, THEY ARE AN ADVISORY COMMISSION TO THIS COUNCIL. 
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THEY DEAL WITH ALL OF THE, UH, DEVELOPMENTAL, UH, ISSUES, UH, IN THE CITY. 
          UH, EXTENSIVE MEETINGS. 
          UH, I CAN REMEMBER STARTING AT SEVEN O'CLOCK GOING UNTIL AFTER MIDNIGHT, MIDNIGHT. 
          UH, THE FACT THAT THEY ARE HAVING SOME ISSUES. 
          I WORKED DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES AND IT WAS TOUGH TO GET HOME SOMETIMES FOR THE SEVEN O'CLOCK START TIME. 
          SO IF THEY WANT TO GO AHEAD AND LEAVE THAT ONE AT SEVEN O'CLOCK, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. 
          BUT I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THE OPTION THAT COVERS THE SIX O'CLOCK START FOR PARKS AND REC AND FOR PUBLIC WORKS. 
          SO, THAT'S MY THOUGHTS. 
          OKAY. 
          BRIAN, DO YOU HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ON THIS? I OPPOSED CHANGING THE COUNCIL MEETING TO SIX O'CLOCK AND FOR ME, I WOULD JUST WANT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THAT AND I THINK SEVEN O'CLOCK FOR, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THEM. 
          BUT THAT'S, THOSE ARE MY OPINIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST TO GIVE PEOPLE THE CHANCE TO SHOW UP. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THOUGHTS. 
          I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THIS ITEM. 
          FOR WHICH ORDINANCE? HIS, WELL, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR COMMENTS RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          FOR SIX O'CLOCK AND SEVEN O'CLOCK FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          NO, I'M, I'M, I'M FOR CONTINUITY. 
          I THINK THEY ALL SHOULD BE SIX. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          I'M THE SAME ONE. 
          UM, CHALLENGES WITH WORK THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE, BUT WHEN YOU APPLY TO BE A COMMISSIONER, YOU KIND OF KNOW THAT GOING IN. 
          AND FOR ME, UM, THE COMMISSIONERS, THEY, THEY CAN CHANGE. 
          SO IF WE'RE BASING A TIME CHANGE ON SOME PRESENT SCHEDULES, THEN WHEN WE GET A A NEW COMMISSIONER, WE'RE SETTING SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE IN THE FUTURE FOR MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS. 
          SO, I, I WOULD NOT WANNA MAKE A DECISION ON ONE PERSON'S WORK SCHEDULE, UNFORTUNATELY, EVEN THOUGH I CAN EMPATHIZE WITH THEM. 
          AND I FOUND THE SAME CAMP I WANTED TO GO FOR A CONSISTENCY MM-HMM. 
          , UH, SO THAT THEIR PUBLIC IS NOT CONFUSED AS WELL. 
          WHICH COMMISSION IS IT? THAT'S SEVEN O'CLOCK AND THE OTHER TWO OR SIX O'CLOCK. 
          I DIDN'T, MY, I FELL INTO THE, UH, CONSISTENCY CATEGORY. 
          MR. MAYOR, IF I COULD SAY A COUPLE WORDS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE, YOU WERE ACTUALLY ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR 12 YEARS. 
          WAS IT 14 YEARS? YEAH, 14. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS HUNDRED FOR THE FIRST TWO OR THREE YEARS. 
          UH, I WAS ON THE PARKS AND RECS FOR 12 YEARS. 
          UM, THEIR AGENDA NORMALLY IS A LOT SMALLER THAN THE PLANNING COMMISSION, SO FOR THEM TO START AT SIX IS GREAT. 
          UM, I KNOW THAT, UH, FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE, LIKE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE, THEY LIVE IN WESTERN HILLS, UH, PARK. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, UM, SO I KNOW SOMETIMES IT'S DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO GET HERE AT SIX O'CLOCK, SO I WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO GET MORE TIME BECAUSE THESE ARE MATTERS. 
          NOT THAT PARKS AND RECS AREN'T IMPORTANT CUZ THEY ARE, OR PUBLIC WORKS AREN'T IMPORTANT, BUT THEY FEEL THEY CAN DO THEIR BUSINESS AT SIX, SIX O'CLOCK. 
          AND WE'RE ASKING OUR PLANNING COMMISSIONERS WHAT THEY WANT, AND THEY'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY STARTED SUN. 
          SO BECAUSE OF THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO HONOR THEIR, THEIR WISHES. 
          SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS THE CHAIN, THE ORDINANCE. 
          WELL, AGAIN, BRIAN. 
          OH NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, SHOULD WE ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE START MOTIONING? I THINK IT'S A DISCUSSION ITEM, RIGHT? IT IS A DISCUSSION ITEM. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. 
          I DO NOT HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. 
          COOL. 
          SORRY, JUST CHECKING A BOX. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THEN. 
          ANYBODY WISH TO COMMENT ON CHANGING COMMISSION TIME OR TIMES IF ANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN TO A, A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND A, A START TIME AT SIX O'CLOCK WOULD BE A PROBLEM AS OPPOSED TO SEVEN. 
          IF YOU WANNA COMMENT ON THAT, YOU CAN MAKE IT. 
          OTHERWISE WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION UP HERE. 
          YEAH, YEAH, WE WILL. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO LOOKING FOR A MOTION FROM SOMEONE ON RECOMMENDATION, UH, ON WHICH SCENARIO? THERE WAS A COUPLE WEEKS EXACTLY. 
          SO WHOEVER WANTS TO TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS. 
          SURE. 
          I'LL MAKE THE MOTION THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION STARTS AT SEVEN, TWO OTHER COMMISSIONS, PUB PUBLIC WORKS, AND ALSO PARKS AND RECS START AT SIX O'CLOCK PER THEIR WISHES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          MOTION FAILED. 
          TWO THREE WITH JOE'S, ROGERS, AND MORAN VOTING? NO. 
          OH. 
          OH, INTERESTING. 
          NOT SURPRISED. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE ALL OF THE COMMISSIONS MEET AT THE SIX O'CLOCK START TIME. 
          COOL. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND THERE. 
          OH. 
          OH, SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THREE, TWO WITH JOSEPH MARQUEZ VOTING NO. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL, I GUESS IT'S DONE. 
          SO THAT MEANS THE COMMISSION MEETINGS WILL START AT, UH, 6:00 PM 6:00 PM BOARD. 
          MR. MARK, CAN I SAY SOMETHING REAL FAST? YES. 
          YES. 
          JUST FOR THE AUDIENCE. 
          WE DON'T ALWAYS AGREE WITH EACH OTHER, , BUT WE RESPECT EACH OTHER. 
          YEAH. 
          GOOD JOB. 
          THANKS, . 
          YEAH. 
          NEXT ARE ITEMS 
          [21.  Designate Voting Delegate and Alternate for Cal Cities Annual Conference scheduled for September 20 through 22, 2023, in Sacramento, California]
INITIATED BY COUNSEL. 
          THIS ITEM IS TO DE DESIGNATE THE VOTING 
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DELEGATE AND ALTERNATIVE FOR, UH, ALTERNATE, SORRY FOR CAL CITY'S ANNUAL CONFERENCE IN SEPTEMBER. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO ALL OF US ARE ATTENDING A COUPLE OF RAY, YOU'RE, HE'S OUR ONE DELEGATE. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU TEND TO END UP BEING IN THAT VOTING BODY YOU GUYS WANT ME TO DO? SO ARE WE ON THE SAME FLIGHT THEN? I'LL BE ALTERNATE. 
          I DON'T REMEMBER ALTERNATE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'D LIKE, LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT RAB OUR VOTING DELEGATE AT THE ANNUAL LEAGUE OF CITIES CONFERENCE. 
          I SECOND. 
          ALL GOOD. 
          WHO WOULD BE THE ALTERNATE? CYNTHIA? PROBABLY CYNTHIA. 
          CYNTHIA. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE'RE GOOD. 
          I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION. 
          I'LL SECOND ALL AND I'LL SECOND IT. 
          OKAY. 
          MOTION PASSES FOUR ONE WITH MARQUEZ VOTING NO, . 
          THAT'S A JOKE. 
          OBVIOUSLY WE FIVE TO ZERO. 
          SO WE TEND TO NOT ALWAYS VOTE IN THE SAME CAMP, BUT WE ALWAYS RESPECT EACH OTHER LATER AND WE SCRATCH OUR HEADS WONDERING WHAT, WHAT NEXT? ALL RIGHT, IS 
          [24.  Adopt resolution declaring results of proceedings for adopting wastewater rates and charges in accordance with Article XIIID of the California Constitution; and if no majority protest exists, introduce Ordinance setting amount of wastewater rates and charges entitled: “An Ordinance of the City of Chino Hills, Setting the Amount of Wastewater Rates and Charges Pursuant to Health and Safety Code §5471 Et. Seq. and Determining That the Subject Activity is Exempt From Review Under the California Environmental Quality Act” for first reading by title only - waiving further reading; and receive and file final Wastewater Cost-of-Service Rate Study]
THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          THE WE'RE MOVE THINGS AROUND 18 TO THE FIRST HEARING. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA BE HEARING THAT NOW. 
          THIS IS TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION DECLARING RESULTS OF PROCEEDINGS FOR ADOPTING WASTEWATER RATES. 
          AND IF NO MAJORITY PROTESTS EXIST, THEN WE WILL INTRODUCE AN ORDINANCE SETTING THE AMOUNT OF THE WASTE BROAD WATER RATES AND CHARGES. 
          HABIB ISAAC OF IB CONSULTING TO PRESENT WELCOME GETTING MAYOR, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND THE PUBLIC. 
          UM, THIS IS, I BELIEVE MY THIRD TIME HERE NOW. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, I'M JUST GONNA GO THROUGH A BRIEF PRESENTATION ABOUT THE, NOT JUST THE WATER RATES, BUT ALSO THE WATER ENTERPRISE AND THE RECYCLE ENTERPRISE, UM, OF WHAT WE WENT THROUGH TO GET TO THIS POINT OF PUBLIC HEARING FOR WASTEWATER RATES. 
          SO WITH THE UTIL RATE STUDIES, THAT'S WHAT WE PROBABLY FOCUSED ON. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          MY NAME'S HABI ISAAC WITH IB CONSULTING. 
          UH, WE WERE ENGAGED AUGUST 9TH, 2022. 
          THIS IS NOT UNCOMMON WHERE, UM, YOU TATE STUDIES TAKE, YOU KNOW, UP TO 12 MONTHS TO COMPLETE. 
          IT GETS VERY, VERY DETAILED INTO THE ANALYSIS AS WELL AS, UM, DETERMINING YOUR OVERALL, UM, FINANCIAL NEEDS FOR EACH OF THE UTILITIES. 
          UH, AUGUST 22 THROUGH MARCH 23, WE DID THOSE FINANCIAL PLANS. 
          WE MET WITH STAFF DILIGENTLY ON A MONTHLY BASIS TO GO THROUGH EVERYTHING. 
          APRIL 5TH, WE PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC WORKS COMMISSION. 
          THE 25TH, WE HAD A WORKSHOP WITH CITY COUNCIL TO DISCUSS THE ITEMS THAT WAS, UM, DISCUSSED WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS COMMISSION 24TH. 
          WE, UM, PRESENTED THE REPORT AND, UH, GOT AUTHORIZATION FOR THE PROP TWO 18 MAJORITY PROTEST, UM, MAILING TO OCCUR. 
          AND THEN MAY 26TH CO GRUBER, UM, DID THE NOTICE AND DID THE FORMS FOR THE MAILING. 
          SO WITH THE REVIEW OF THE STUDIES, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO WATER AND RECYCLED WATER, WHEN WE DID OUR ANALYSIS AND DID THE REVIEW IN TERMS OF FINANCIAL PLAN AND, UM, FINANCIAL OUTLOOK, WE FOUND THAT THE UTILITIES ARE DOING FINE AT THE EXISTING RATES. 
          AND I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS, THAT THIS IS VERY, VERY UNUSUAL, ESPECIALLY IN THIS HEIGHTENED INFLATIONARY CLIMATE. 
          WE WORK WITH THE AGENCIES, CITIES AS WELL AS SPECIAL DISTRICTS UP AND DOWN THE STATE. 
          AND A LOT OF OUR CLIENTS RIGHT NOW ARE NEEDING TO INCREASE RATES, NOT JUST A FEW PERCENTAGE POINTS, SINGLE DIGITS, BUT EVEN UP TO 20% INCREASES, UH, FOR MULTIPLE YEARS. 
          UM, WE HAD SOME JUST A F A WEEK AGO THAT WAS 20% INCREASE A MONTH AGO WAS 30% INCREASE. 
          I'M GOING TO MAR SACRAMENTO. 
          THEY'RE LOOKING AT 20% INCREASES, AND MOST OF THAT IS DRIVEN BY, UM, CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND THIS INFLATIONARY CLIMATE THAT WE ARE IN. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO COMMEND THE CITY AND STAFF FOR THE ABILITY TO MANAGE YOUR UTILITIES IN A MANNER WHERE EVEN IN THIS INFLATIONARY CLIMATE, YOU'RE ABLE TO MAINTAIN NO RATE INCREASES FOR THE WATER UTILITY AND RECYCLED WATER. 
          AND THEN MOVING TO WASTEWATER, UH, ON THAT ONE, YOU HAVEN'T INCREASED RATES FOR 20 YEARS. 
          THE ONLY THING THAT HAS BEEN INCREASING IS THE RATE ASSOCIATED WITH TREATMENT FROM IN AN EMPIRE UTILITY AGENCY, WHICH IS A DIRECT PASS THROUGH. 
          SO YOU DON'T MAKE ANY MONEY ON IT, YOU JUST PASS IT THROUGH FROM THAT AGENCY. 
          WHEN THEY SET RATES, THEN YOU JUST PASS IT THROUGH TO YOUR CUSTOMERS. 
          AND, UH, BUT FOR THE COMPONENT THAT'S RELATED TO THE COST TO RECOVER FOR YOUR NEEDS, THOSE HAVE NOT INCREASED FOR UP TO 20 YEARS. 
          AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME SINCE THEN THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE UPDATED. 
          AND WE'LL GO THROUGH WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FOR THE WASTEWATER. 
          SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE WASTEWATER UTILITY, WE FIRST LOOK AT HOW ARE YOU DOING IN TERMS OF THE 
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EXISTING RATES. 
          SO WHEN WE LOOK AT YOUR OPERATING POSITION, THIS SHOWS NO CAPITAL SPENDING, JUST YOUR DAY-TO-DAY ONGOING OPERATIONS. 
          WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE POSITIVE INCOME ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, AND THAT, UM, YOU'RE, UH, COMPLYING WITH ANY DEBT COVENANTS. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE ANY DEBT WITH WASTEWATER, SO THAT'S OKAY. 
          FULLY FUND YOUR CAPITAL NEEDS AND MEET YOUR RESERVE TARGETS. 
          SO YOU DO HAVE ONGOING DEFICIT RIGHT NOW OF 2.4 MILLION FOR 24, WHICH INCREASES UP TO ALMOST 4 MILLION BY 28. 
          BUT YOU DO HAVE HEALTHY RESERVES RIGHT NOW THAT COULD ABSORB THAT IN THE INTERIM TO THEN SMOOTHLY INCREASE YOUR, UH, REVENUE NEEDS OVER THIS FIVE YEAR PERIOD. 
          YOUR CAPITAL SPENDING AVERAGES AROUND 1.5 MILLION A YEAR. 
          AND THEN RIGHT NOW, BASED ON THAT DEFICIT AND OPERATING AND HAVING TO MAKE SURE YOU CONTINUE INVESTING IN YOUR, YOUR ENTERPRISE, IN YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT'S GONNA CAUSE YOUR RESERVE BALANCE TO, TO REDUCE DOWN IF YOU DIDN'T DO ANY TYPE OF ADJUSTMENTS. 
          SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DO WANNA DRAW IT DOWN, BUT THEN WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT LEVELS OUT AND STAYS ABOVE YOUR MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS. 
          SO WHEN DOING SO, WE ARE SLIGHTLY INCREASING THE REVENUE ADJUSTMENTS. 
          SO THAT BLACK TREND LINE GOING UP IS THE RATES GOING UP A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO THEN WE'RE NOT TRYING TO FIX EVERYTHING IN THE FIRST YEAR. 
          YOU'RE ABLE TO ABSORB THOSE DEFICITS BY HAVING HEALTHY RESERVES. 
          AND THEN MODESTLY, WE WILL INCREASE IT. 
          SO BY 2028, YOU NOW DON'T HAVE A OPERATING DEFICIT. 
          YOU FULLY FUND YOUR CAPITAL. 
          AND THEN BY THE TIME YOU GET TO YOUR RESERVES, AGAIN, NOTICE IN 24 YOU HAVE HEALTHY RESERVES. 
          WE'RE DRAWING THAT DOWN, UM, FROM YOUR CAPITAL SPENDING AND ABSORBING THAT DEFICIT AND THEN SMOOTHING IT OUT OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS. 
          SO WE'RE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN TERMS OF RATES? IN 2024, WHICH IS THE FIRST YEAR, THE MONTHLY BILLS WILL INCREASE BY LESS THAN $2 FOR EACH OF YOUR SINGLE FAMILY CUSTOMERS. 
          AND THEN FOR THE SUBSEQUENT YEARS, THEY'RE GONNA INCREASE $3 A MONTH. 
          UH, BUT THAT'S ONE TIME EVERY SINGLE YEAR. 
          AND THEN IT'LL INCREASE FOR $3 FROM ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. 
          AND THEN LOOKING AT THE RACE THEMSELVES, THE TOP PORTION THAT YOU SEE HERE IS FOR THOSE, YOU HAVE AREAS WHERE IT'S GRAVITY FED AND YOU HAVE ANOTHER AREA WITHIN YOUR CITY LIMITS WHERE THERE HAS TO, THE FLOW HAS TO BE PUMPED UP. 
          AND THEN GRAVITY FED. 
          UM, THERE'S TWO COMPONENTS TO MAKE THIS. 
          WE IDENTIFY THE CITY'S COMPONENTS RIGHT NOW IN BEGINNING AT SEVEN 20, IT'LL GO UP TO NINE 11. 
          THAT'S NOT LESS THAN $2. 
          AND THEN WE'RE ALSO SHOWING THE INCREASES BY IUA THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO US BY THAT AGENCY. 
          THEY JUST UPDATED THEIR RATES AND THEY GAVE US THE NUMBERS FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, AND THAT'S BEEN INCORPORATED AS WELL. 
          UM, ONE THING THAT I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT IS, UM, IN THE NOTICE, THESE WERE IDENTIFIED AS, UM, 2340 AND IN OUR REPORT, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE 2339. 
          UM, SO JUST WANNA BE ACCURATE. 
          THERE'S, THE PASTOR SHOULD BE DEAD ON WITH WHAT THEY'RE CHARGING. 
          AND THEN FOR TONIGHT, THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          SO THIS IS THE FINAL, UM, WORKSHOP, IF YOU WILL, FOR THE WASTEWATER RATE. 
          THIS IS WHERE YOU, WE RECEIVE TESTIMONY FROM YOUR RESIDENCE AND YOU ADOPT A RESOLUTION IF YOU SO CHOOSE TO, IF THERE'S NO MAJORITY PROTEST. 
          AND THEN IN DOING SO, THESE BREAKS WOULD BE EFFECTIVE. 
          OCTOBER 1ST IS THE EARLIEST THAT YOU COULD HAVE THESE IMPLEMENTED. 
          AND WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. 
          BUT I'M MORE THAN HAPPY ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE QUESTIONS. 
          I'M GONNA TURN TO MARK IN A SECOND. 
          BUT ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR CONSULTANT? MARK? YES, SIR. 
          CAN YOU DEFINE THE TWO 18 PROCESS AND HOW IT CAME ABOUT? WE DO THIS, UH, CERTAINLY EVERY TIME WE COME TO ONE OF THESE VOTES. 
          YES. 
          UH, BACK IN, UH, 1995, THE HOWARD JARS TAXPAYER ASSOCIATION PUT TOGETHER A BALLOT MEASURE TO ADDRESS TAXES, ASSESSMENTS, AND FEES. 
          AND THEY QUALIFIED THAT FOR THE STATEWIDE BALLOT. 
          AND IT'S SET UP A PROCESS, ACTUALLY THREE DIFFERENT PROCESSES BY WHICH TAXES ASSESSMENT AND FEES WOULD BE APPROVED OR PROTESTED BY THE ELECTORATE. 
          AND THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, THE ELECTORATE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA PASSED THAT. 
          UM, PROP TWO 18. 
          AND WHAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT IS A FEE. 
          IT IS, THERE'S, UM, PARTS OF PROP TWO 18 THAT DEAL WITH TAXES WHERE THE VOTERS HAVE TO EITHER BUY A MAJORITY OR TWO THIRDS APPROVE OF A TAX DEPENDING ON THE KIND OF TAX ASSESSMENT. 
          DISTRICTS ARE DONE ON A WEIGHTED BASIS WHERE THE, UH, PROPERTIES BASED UPON THE AMOUNT THAT THEY'RE CHARGED HAVE 
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TO VOTE YES ON A WEIGHTED BASIS TO APPROVE IT. 
          UM, THE FEE FEE THAT IS IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL TONIGHT, THIS IS DONE ON A PROTEST BASIS. 
          AND THE HOWARD JARVIS TAXPAYER ASSOCIATION SET IT UP TO WHERE A MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE OF THE CUSTOMERS AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD HAVE TO PROTEST THE FEE TO PREVENT THE PUBLIC AGENCY FROM BEING ABLE TO IMPOSE IT. 
          UM, IT GETS A LOT OF CRITICISM FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, UM, BECAUSE IT'S THE OPPOSITE OF THE WAY VOTING GENERALLY OCCURS. 
          UM, BUT THE, THE TAXPAYER ASSOCIATION SET THIS UP PURPOSELY BECAUSE THEY WANTED IT TO NOT BE THAT DIFFICULT FOR CITIES TO BE ABLE TO, UM, HAVE WATER AND WASTEWATER AND, UM, SOLID WASTE INCREASES. 
          BUT AT THE SAME TIME, AS PART OF THIS, THEY EMBEDDED A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT COULD BE PASSED THROUGH LEGALLY. 
          SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE, UM, REPORTS AND STUDIES THAT ARE DONE SO THAT YOU'RE NOT COLLECTING ANY PROFIT, IF YOU WILL, FROM THE ENTERPRISE. 
          IT ALL HAS TO STAY IN THE ENTERPRISE. 
          AND SO THAT IS THE PROCESS THAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT. 
          AND AGAIN, WE'VE RECEIVED, I KNOW A NUMBER OF COMMUNICATIONS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE COM THAT DON'T LIKE THE PROCESS. 
          WELL, THIS IS THE PROCESS THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE VOTERS, AND THE COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO VARY THAT PROCESS. 
          IT'S THE ONE YOU ARE, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW. 
          SO WHAT IS THE EXPECTATION OF EACH CITY TO PROVIDE THE PROCESS TO VOTE? UM, FROM CITIES, I KNOW WE TEND TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT, WHAT I CALL, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO INFORM THE PUBLIC THAT THERE'S OF THE PROCESS OF THE GIVE THEM 45 DAYS NOTICE OF WHAT, OF THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WHAT'S GOING TO BE, UM, PRESENTED AT THAT PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS. 
          IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DEALING WITH WASTEWATER RATES. 
          SO IT'S A 45 DAY NOTICE. 
          YOU'LL SEE A GREAT VARIETY OF WHAT THAT NOTICE LOOKS LIKE THAT GOES OUT FROM CITIES. 
          SOME OF THEM CONTAINED VERY LITTLE INFORMATION. 
          AND HERE THE CITY PROVIDES, UM, VERY DETAILED INFORMATION THAT'S SENT TO ALL THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE CUSTOMERS THAT DETAILS OUT EXACTLY HOW THE RATES ARE PROPOSED TO BE SET. 
          UH, THE CITY ALSO INCLUDES A BALLOT WITH ALL THE INFORMATION AS TO HOW TO RETURN IT. 
          YOU'LL FIND A LOT OF CITIES PUT OUT VERY LITTLE INFORMATION AND, AND PROBABLY LEAVE PEOPLE CONFUSED AS TO HOW TO RESPOND TO IT. 
          SO I THINK CHINO HILLS GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND IN EDUCATING THE PEOPLE AS TO HOW THEY CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS. 
          RIGHT. 
          MAYOR, READING AN ARTICLE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO THAT THERE WAS IN THE CHAMPION, AND IT TALKED ABOUT THE CITY OF CHINO HAS JUST GONE THROUGH THIS EXACT PROCESS AND THEY RECEIVED 12 PROTEST VOTES. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THEY SENT OUT BALLOTS. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY STRUCTURED IT. 
          WE TEND TO, THIS IS PROBABLY MY FOURTH OR FIFTH OR SIXTH TWO 18 IN THE TIME I'VE BEEN ON CITY COUNCIL. 
          NONE OF US LIKE IT. 
          WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS, BUT AT LEAST WE TRY TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS THAT'S BEEN DICTATED TO US BY THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AND THE VOTERS. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE THOUSANDS OF VOTES THAT GO AGAINST THIS VERSUS WHAT I READ IN THE PAPER, 12 VOTES THAT CHINO ACCUMULATED FOR THE SAME PROCESS WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO DEFINE, SO IN CASE THERE'S ANY CONFUSION OR IF ANYBODY'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF, UH, WONDERING HOW THIS HAPPENS, IT'S NOT A CITY OF CHINO HILLS EFFORT, IT'S THE PROCESS THAT'S BEEN TOLD TO US THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW. 
          SO, CORRECT. 
          ANYBODY COMMENT BEFORE I OPEN THIS UP FOR A PUBLIC? UH, MARK ANSWERED ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WAS THAT, UH, AS A GOVERNING BODY, DOES A CITY COUNCIL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO REFORM THE WHOLE PROCESS OF THIS PROTEST VOTE? AND YOU'RE TELLING US THAT WE DON'T BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S UP IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE. 
          SO IT'S PART OF THE CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION. 
          OKAY. 
          ACTUALLY, PROP TWO 18 WAS A CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISION, AND SO IT WOULD TAKE A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE TO CHANGE THAT PROPOSITION. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          MR. REGISTER REAL FAST. 
          UM, WASTE WATER AND WATER RATES, UH, THIS WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED BY THE LEGISLATORS BACK IN 1995, BUT IT ALSO WENT TO THE SUPREME COURT AND THAT DIDN'T GET A, UH, APPROVED UNTIL 2006. 
          SO NOW IT DOES INCLUDE WASTEWATER AND ACTUALLY WATER RATES. 
          THERE WAS, THERE WAS, THERE WERE LEGAL BATTLES AFTER PROP TWO 18 WAS PASSED AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT APPLIED AT ALL TO WATER AND WASTEWATER. 
          AND THERE WERE COURT DECISIONS GOING BACK AND FORTH. 
          BUT THEN IN 2005, A CASE CAME OUT AND, AND SAID, YES, IT IS APPLICABLE TO WATER AND WASTEWATER. 
          OKAY. 
          I WENT THROUGH THE COURT AND THAT WAS MY POINT. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT I WENT THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM. 
          ALSO REAL FAST. 
          WE DO PROVIDE ENVELOPES 
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AND I BELIEVE STAMPS WHERE MOST CITIES DO NOT DO THAT. 
          SO I DON'T THINK WE DID STAMPS, BUT WE DID DO THE ENVELOPES. 
          YEAH. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          NEXT TIME WE'LL DO STAMPS. 
          OH, WE WON'T. 
          THAT JUST ADDS ONTO AGAIN, . 
          OKAY. 
          WITH THAT, WERE YOU GONNA SAY SOMETHING, BRIAN, BEFORE I JUST, JUST TO EMPHASIZE AGAIN THAT THE I E UUA CHARGE IS SIMPLY A PASS THROUGH. 
          IT IS NOTHING THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO TREAT YOUR WASTE WATER. 
          WE HAVE I E WAYED THAT THAT DOES IT. 
          AND THIS IS THE COST THAT THEY PROVIDE FOR THE SERVICE. 
          AND THE OTHER PORTION OF THE FEE THAT'S GONE UP IS ONE WE HADN'T RAISED IN 20 YEARS. 
          IN 20 YEARS. 
          YEAH. 
          WHICH IS, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING THAT MEANS THAT YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO EXPRESS YOUR POINTS OF VIEW. 
          SO I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'LL TURN TO CHERYL YES. 
          TO SEE WHO'S HAS PUT IN FOR COMMENTS. 
          OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS TOM SMITH. 
          CHERYL, HOW MANY SPEAKERS DO WE HAVE ON THIS TOPIC? FOUR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELCOME, TOM. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. 
          MY NAME IS TOM SMITH. 
          I LIVED IN THE CITY OF CHINO HILLS FOR 10 YEARS NOW. 
          PRIOR TO THAT, I LIVED IN THE CITY OF DIAMOND BAR FOR 33 YEARS. 
          SO I KNOW THE LOCAL AREA VERY WELL. 
          AND I WANT TO COMMEND, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL AS WELL AS, UH, STAFF FOR HANDLING THIS PROCESS OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS TO THE POINT WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE A RATE INCREASE. 
          THAT'S THE GOOD NEWS. 
          THE BAD NEWS, I THINK, IS THAT IT'S BEEN 20 YEARS SINCE WE HAD A RATE INCREASE. 
          AND SO I WOULD REQUEST THAT THE COUNCIL CONSIDER, UH, A PROCESS WHEREBY, UH, THE RATES ARE RECONSIDERED MUCH MORE REGULARLY, MAYBE EVERY FIVE YEARS, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS A NEED TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE SHOCK VALUE OF, UH, 20 YEARS WORTH OF CONSTANT RATES HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, BE IN INCREASED ALL OF A SUDDEN AND PROJECT PROJECTED OUT, UM, WITH KIND OF AN ACCUMULATING RIGHT. 
          UH, INCREASE. 
          AND SO I THINK IF IT'S, UH, CHECKED INTO MUCH MORE FREQUENTLY, YOU MIGHT FIND THAT SOME OF THOSE FUTURE YEAR INCREASES THAT ARE NOW PROJECTED IN THE CONSULTANTS REPORT MIGHT ACTUALLY END UP BEING LESS MM-HMM. 
          , IT COULD BE MORE MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT I THINK WE HAVE AN ACCUMULATION SITUATION GOING ON IN THE PROJECTIONS OF WHAT THOSE RATES MIGHT BE OVER THE YEARS, BECAUSE, UH, THERE'S ASSUMPTIONS BUILT INTO THE PROCESS THAT MIGHT NOT BE VALID IF WE LOOKED AT 'EM MORE FREQUENTLY AND MADE ADJUSTMENTS ACCORDINGLY. 
          GOOD. 
          SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          JOHN BRUNER. 
          HELLO, JOHN. 
          HELLO, COUNSEL. 
          UM, STAFF, FRIENDS, I, UH, I'M GONNA TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF ISSUE, I'M AFRAID WITH, UH, WITH MARK. 
          I KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T CHANGE PROP TWO 18 AND I KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T DO THINGS THAT THE STATE DO, DON'T WANT YOU TO DO. 
          BUT I WANNA READ, UH, I WANNA READ THE STATE, UH, THIS IS THE ARTICLE 13 D, SECTION FOUR SUBSECTION E OF THE STATE CONSTITUTION. 
          AND IT STATES, AND I QUOTE, A MAJORITY PROTEST EXISTS IF UPON THE CONCLUSION OF THE HEARING, WHICH WE'RE HAVING TONIGHT, BALLOTS SUBMITTED IN OPPOSITION TO THE ASSESSMENT, EXCEED BALLOTS SUBMITTED IN FAVOR OF THE ASSESSMENT. 
          NOW THE PROBLEM AS I SEE IT, IS THOSE WHO, WHEN, WHEN THE BALLOTS LEAVE THIS BUILDING, EVERYTHING IS APPROVED, 21,000 OF THEM ARE APPROVED. 
          SO THOSE BALLOTS NEVER GET BACK TO US. 
          THERE IS, THERE IS NOTHING IN THIS BUILDING THAT SAYS I APPROVED IT UNLESS I VOTED AGAINST IT. 
          SECOND THING IS, UH, ON THE BOTTOM OF THE BALLOT, IT SAYS, ONLY SIGNED ORIGINAL PROTEST FORMS WILL BE COUNTED. 
          UNSIGNED PROTEST FORMS, NON-ORIGINAL PROTEST FORMS WILL NOT BE COUNTED. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WELL, NOBODY SIGNS THE APPROVED VOTES. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE A SINGLE AS SIGNATURE ON AN APPROVED VOTE IN THIS BUILDING. 
          SO OBVIOUSLY THAT CAN'T BE DONE. 
          SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS, WE HAVE NOTHING THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED FROM APPROVED VOTERS. 
          WE HAVE NOTHING THAT'S BEEN SIGNED BY APPROVED VOTERS. 
          THAT'S A ONE-SIDED VOTE. 
          SO LET'S, LET'S JUST GO JUST ONE STEP FURTHER. 
          LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW MANY VOTES, UH, THERE ARE. 
          THERE'S 21,000, AS I MENTIONED, THAT GO OUT. 
          LOCAL VOTES LIKE THIS NORMALLY ARE ABOUT 20%, 
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MAYBE 10% OF THOSE VOTE IN FAVOR AND 10% AGAINST, THAT'S ABOUT 2000. 
          MAYOR ROGERS MENTIONED THERE'LL BE A FEW THOUSAND. 
          YEAH, THAT'S ABOUT RIGHT. 
          THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO PRAYER THAT WE CAN EVER DEFEAT THIS. 
          IT IS, IT IS RIDICULOUS IN THAT SENSE. 
          SO, I, I'M A, I DON'T WANT YOU TO, I DON'T WANT YOU TO REVISE IT. 
          WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO IS TO ADD TO THIS BALLOT ONE SEVEN WORDS. 
          AND THAT IS, I SUPPORT THE PROPOSED SEWER RATE INCREASE. 
          IF YOU HAVE THAT, THEN PEOPLE WHO WANT TO VOTE YES CAN VOTE YES. 
          IT WILL BRING DOWN THAT 21,000 VOTES TO SOMETHING THAT POSSIBLY IS MORE MANAGEABLE. 
          YOU'RE NOT CHANGING THE PROCESS AT ALL. 
          YOU'RE GIVING PEOPLE AN HONEST CHANCE TO VOTE. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT IN AMERICA. 
          SO I WANT TO, I WANT TO ASK THE COUNCIL TO THINK ABOUT IT UNDER THOSE TERMS. ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU JOHN. 
          TIME'S UP. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          ELAINE ANDERSON. 
          HELLO, ELAINE. 
          MORNING. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          HI. 
          GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. 
          I WANTED TO TELL YOU THAT I REALLY APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD ABOUT THE PROPOSITION THAT, THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE IT, UH, MR. HENSLEY GETTING TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT FROM THE LEGAL STANDPOINT. 
          I DID WANNA SAY TO ALL MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL THAT THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS TO RECALL THE SEWER RATE INCREASE, EXCUSE ME, THE SEWER SERVICE RATE INCREASE CHANGE, ANDRE ISSUE THE BALLOTS AND VOTE WITH THE VOTE OPTION THAT READS AS FOLLOWS. 
          I SUPPORT THE PROPOSED SEWER RATE INCREASES, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ELAINE. 
          NEXT IS EMMA ATHENA. 
          REAL GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          UM, SO I AGREE WITH JOHN AND ELAINE ON THIS AS FAR AS RECALLING AND THEN, UH, SENDING THE BALLOT OUT AGAIN SO THAT THEY DON'T ALL GO OUT AS AUTOMATICALLY APPROVED, BUT THEY GO OUT AS, DO YOU APPROVE OR DO YOU REJECT? SO IT GIVES PEOPLE, I MEAN, WE ALL KNOW THERE'S SO MUCH APATHY AND SO FOR US TO JUST SEND OUT THE BALLOTS AND MAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT IT'S, IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, IT'S JUST NOT FAIR. 
          SO I AGREE WITH THEM ON THAT. 
          IN ADDITION TO THAT, I THINK THAT, UM, WE CAN'T JUST BE, UH, JUST WILLY-NILLY, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, JUST PASSING THROUGH CHARGES AND THEN JUST SAYING, OH, WELL THESE ARE THE CHARGES BEING CHARGED TO US. 
          AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO SPEAK UP AND WE NEED TO SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, SHOW ME, SHOW ME WHY THERE'S INCREASES. 
          AND THEN START PUSHING BACK. 
          BECAUSE JUST LIKE ANY OTHER CAPITALISTIC INSTITUTION TO SOME DEGREE, YOU KNOW, CHINO HILLS HAS TO LIKE MAKE, YOU KNOW, MAKE, UH, CHOICES AND DECISIONS THAT ARE FINANCIALLY SOUND LIKE YOU'RE RUNNING A BUSINESS. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? NOBODY JUST SAYS, OKAY, WELL I'M JUST GOING TO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT IT COSTS. 
          THIS IS, THESE PEOPLE ARE JUST CHARGING ME THIS, THEREFORE I'M GONNA PASS IT ON TO THE PEOPLE WITHOUT PUSHING BACK AND ASKING QUESTIONS. 
          SO IN ADDITION TO THE RECALL, ALL I'M ASKING IS MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, MAYBE WE SAY, HEY, WHY DON'T YOU SHOW ME? BECAUSE IF, BECAUSE IF IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE GIVING THEMSELVES BONUSES AND SALARY INCREASES, ESPECIALLY IN A RECESSION, JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AND IT WOULDN'T BE FAIR TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS. 
          THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SPEAK FINAL SPEAKER CARD. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          CAN YOU CAN, CAN I SPEAK CAROL? SURE, ABSOLUTELY. 
          OH, GOOD. 
          ALWAYS BEEN CURIOUS TO COME. 
          I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 88 OVER HERE ACROSS, WAIT, WAIT TILL YOU'RE ON THE MIC. 
          WE ALL WANT TO HEAR YOU. 
          WELCOME. 
          I, I'M PRETTY LOUD ANYWAY, BUT, UH, UH, YEAH, I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE THE EIGHT. 
          WELL, THAT'S REALLY LOUD. 
          I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 88, SO PRETTY LONG TIME. 
          ACROSS THE STREET OVER HERE. 
          WHAT'S YOUR NAME? UM, GREG TROYER. 
          NICE TO MEET YOU. 
          I LIVE OVER IN PNE RANCH. 
          BUT ANYWAY, IT'S REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT GOES ON HERE. 
          THE ONLY QUESTION, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE IN THAT 10 MONTH STUDY, THAT IB CONSULTANT, IS THAT WHAT IT'S 10 MONTH STUDY IN THOSE, IN THOSE PLACES WHERE YOU SAID SACRAMENTO, THEY'RE STILL BUILDING CONSTRUCTION YET, CORRECT? THEY'RE NOT BUILDING NEW HOMES IN SACRAMENTO COUNTY. 
          CAN YOU MIKE, PLEASE? YEAH. 
          DON'T ADDRESS. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          ADDRESS US. 
          YEAH, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT BUILDING. 
          I, I'M SURE THEY'RE STILL BUILDING. 
          ARE WE BUILDING ANYTHING NEW? THERE'S THINGS IN THE, IN CHINO HILLS. 
          ANY NEW NEW HOME TRACKS NEW, ARE THEY? I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY. 
          THAT WAS REAL ESTATE FOR 25 YEARS, BUT WHEN THEY PULL THE TRIGGER, IT'S UP TO THEM. 
          CAN YOU OH, CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION? WELL, THIS IS, WE'RE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE SEWER RATES AND YEAH, I KNOW, BUT THE SEWER RATES. 
          BUT THE STUDY WAS DONE BASED ON FACTS THAT YOU MAY HAVE INCREASED POPULATION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , OUR POPULATION 
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IS PROBABLY CLOSE TO BEING MAXED OUT AS FAR AS LAND CONCERNED BECAUSE WE NEVER DEVELOPED, OR THE CITY OF INDUSTRY STILL OWNS THAT PROPERTY OUT THERE THAT I PASSED EVERY DAY GOING TO WORK. 
          AND UH, DIAMOND BARN, CHINO HILLS, TRACE ROMANOS. 
          IT'S A CONSERVANCY. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT, SO I'M GOING, WELL YOU'RE BASING THAT STUDY ON MAYBE GROWTH CUZ WE'RE NOT CHANGING GROWTH HERE. 
          IT'S PRETTY MUCH STAYING THE SAME. 
          I MEAN, UNLESS YOU HAVE MORE KIDS, LIKE SIX KIDS EVERY HOUSEHOLD OR SOMETHING. 
          AND THE BABY BOOMERS LIKE ME DIE OFF. 
          SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RATE INCREASES. 
          AND THE ONE LADY WAS RIGHT, IT SHOULD BE BUILT UP INTO A SESSION AND THE ONE GENTLEMAN WHO SPOKE VERY THE FIRST TIME, YEAH, HE SAID MAYBE POSSIBLY DO IT IN FIVE YEAR INCREMENTS INSTEAD OF HITTING IT ALL AT ONCE. 
          CAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE POOR NOW. 
          THEY'RE NOT WELL TO DO. 
          I, IT WON'T AFFECT ME. 
          IT WON'T NO MATTER WHAT IT RAISED TO, BUT IT'S GONNA AFFECT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN APARTMENTS THEY'RE GONNA GET STUCK WITH. 
          IS IT NOW? SO MINE'S AROUND, EH, MAYBE 1 75 TO $200 A MONTH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO THAT WILL GO UP TO 2 56. 
          IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTAND? BY 2028, I'D $56. 
          DOES ANYBODY KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT? UH, YOU WANT I DON'T HAVE ASK HIM. 
          I, FIRST OF ALL, THE DIALOGUE COMES TO US RIGHT NOW, OUR CONSULTANT. 
          SO JUST GO AHEAD AND HAVE THAT. 
          I WAS JUST SURE TO STOP THAT. 
          SO YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS AND MY TIME'S UP BASICALLY, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO PUT OUT THERE. 
          I JUST COULDN'T UNDERSTAND THE 10 MONTH STUDY AND WE DON'T HAVE CONSTRUCTION GOING ON HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS A LOT. 
          WELL, PROJECTED GROWTH IS FOR APPROXIMATELY ANOTHER 10,000 PEOPLE OVER THE NEXT X AMOUNT OF YEARS. 
          THAT'S A PROJECTION. 
          CAN I, I THINK WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT THAT CAME IN. 
          DO I CAN SEE CHERYL SHIRLEY THAT CAME IN. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE ONE MORE PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          MAY S MAY WE'RE GOOD. 
          MAY I'M, I'M GOOD. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          LEE, I'LL LEAVE. 
          DO YOU KNOW? JUST SUBMITTED. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU LEE. 
          I THINK THEY MIGHT HAVE LEFT THE ROOM AND THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE PERSON. 
          YES, THERE YOU GO. 
          SORRY. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          UM, I CAME HERE JUST BECAUSE, UM, I, I GOT, UH, MANY MESSAGES THAT WAS ASKING ME TO COME HERE TO REPRESENT SEVERAL PEOPLES IN THE AREA THAT THEY WERE SU SURPRISED, BUT ACTUALLY, UM, I WAS NOTIFIED REGARDING SEVERE INTEREST BY MY MICHAEL AS WELL. 
          AND WE DO NOT AWARE OF THAT KIND OF SITUATIONS. 
          WOULD LIKE TO EXPECT THAT FOR THE COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO BE MORE, UM, OUT FRONT TO SEND THE MESSAGE OUT BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DO NOT KNOW REGARDING THAT AND, AND WHY THE INCREASE AND THE PLANNING AND ALL THAT KIND OF THINGS. 
          SO WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO POSTPONE ON IT AND GET A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY AWARE OF THAT ONE EVEN FURTHER. 
          AND ESPECIALLY IN OUR LOCATIONS AS WELL. 
          WE'RE FROM THE OAK THREE DOWN. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A ZERO IN OUR LOCATIONS. 
          AND ALSO WE DO HAVE AL ALSO A LOT OF, UM, OUR CHURCH MEMBERS IN THE AREA AS WELL, THE IN CHINO HILLS THAT, UM, IT'S HAVE AFFECTED WITH THAT, THAT THEY DO NOT SEE THEIR, ANY SIGNIFICANT ON THE SEAWARD DIFFERENCE OR IMPROVEMENT HAPPENED. 
          SO KINDLY PLEASE, UH, NOTIFY PEOPLE MORE FURTHER SO THEY DO HAVE TIME TO RESPOND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CONSULTANT. 
          PARDON? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CONSULTANT. 
          THAT'S ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WITH THAT, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. 
          AND CYNTHIA, YOU ARE MENTIONED. 
          I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE CONSULTANT OR JUST SOME CLARIFICATION, SOME THINGS WERE BROUGHT UP. 
          YES, AB ABSOLUTELY. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, SINCE IT WAS THE MOST RECENT COMMENT AS FAR AS, UM, COMMUNICATING ABOUT THIS RATE INCREASE, SO LET ME BACK UP A LITTLE BEFORE I ASK YOU SOMETHING. 
          IS THAT THE CITY OF CHINO HILLS IS A HUNDRED PERCENT TRANSPARENT WITH ALL OF OUR PROJECTS AND TRANSACTIONS THAT AFFECT YOU GUYS. 
          WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED E NOTIFY. 
          AND WHAT YOU DO IS YOU GO TO THE CITY WEBSITE AND YOU CHOOSE WHAT YOU WANNA GET NOTIFIED ABOUT. 
          DO YOU WANNA NOTIFY ABOUT JOB OPENINGS, ROAD CLOSURES, PUBLIC HEARINGS? PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE VERY IMPORTANT. 
          THAT'S THE CHANCE WHEN YOU GET INPUT AND YOU GIVE IT TO US. 
          SO NUMBER ONE, THAT'S HOW THE COMMUNICATION STARTS. 
          AND SO WHEN YOU START TRACKING IT, YOU'LL GET NOTIFICATIONS OF WHEN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE. 
          HOW MANY PUBLIC HEARINGS DID WE HAVE ABOUT THIS TOPIC, SIR? PRIOR TO TONIGHT? OH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UH, AGENCY? YEAH. 
          WE'VE HAD AROUND FIVE, UM, WORKSHOPS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'VE HAD FIVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR RESIDENTS OF CHINO HEALTH TO COME IN HERE AND TO LEARN ABOUT THE RATE INCREASE, LEARN WHY THEY'RE HAVING IT, LEARN ABOUT PROP TWO 18 AND ET CETERA. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S THE SECOND THING I 
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WANNA BRING UP THEN ALSO WHEN, UM, AS FAR AS LIKE THE FACTORS, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, SO YOUR 12 MONTH, 18 MONTH STUDY ABOUT THE WATER RATE INCREASES, CAN YOU JUST ELABORATE ON WHAT FACTORS BESIDES DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE I KNOW IT JUST WASN'T THAT. 
          SO FOR, FOR THE SAKE OF THE AUDIENCE, CAN YOU JUST BRIEFLY TELL US WHAT FACTORS WENT INTO THE WATER RATE INCREASE? SURE. 
          YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, UH, LET ME TOUCH ON FIRST THE POPULATION STATEMENT. 
          UH, WE'RE NOT ASSUMING GROWTH FOR, UM, THESE ENTERPRISES MM-HMM. 
          , UH, THEY'RE SEPARATE FUNDING FOR, UH, CAPITAL COST RELATED TO ACCOMMODATING GROWTH. 
          THOSE ARE CAPACITY FEES WHICH YOU HAVE IN PLACE THAT THEN THE DEVELOPERS HAVE TO PAY THAT AT THE POINT OF GETTING A METER. 
          AND THEN THEY PAY IT TO COVER THE COST OF EXPANDING. 
          UM, THE COSTS THAT ARE IN THESE STUDIES ARE FOR THE REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING FACILITIES THAT ARE SERVING YOUR CURRENT CUSTOMERS TODAY. 
          BASICALLY R AND R ONGOING REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT REINVESTMENT IN YOUR SYSTEM, JUST LIKE A INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER WOULD REINVEST INTO THEIR HOME. 
          SO WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO LIKE ALL OF THE SADDLE REPLACEMENTS THAT HAPPENED IN OAKRIDGE AREA WHERE LIKE WHERE COUNCIL MEMBER BENNETT LIVES THAT ARE VERY OLD AND AND WORN AND IT COST US HOW MUCH MONEY FOR THOSE SADDLE REPLACEMENTS? I MEAN MILLION, I MEAN MILLIONS, RIGHT. 
          MILLION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THINGS LIKE THAT GO INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AS WELL AS METER REPLACEMENTS. 
          UM, PIPING, UH, YOU HAD, UM, TCP IMPROVEMENTS FOR CONTAMINATION THAT YOU HAD TO ADDRESS AND YOU ALSO GOT GRANT FINDING FOR THAT. 
          THAT'S GONNA COVER THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE FOR THE NEXT 15 YEARS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UH, SO THERE'S, UM, NONE OF THIS IS RELATED TO PAYING FOR THE COST OF CAPITAL CONSTRUCTION TO ACCOMMODATE GROWTH IN ANY WAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND JUST LAST THING TOO, I SAID THIS AT THE LAST MEETING, IT'S LIKE I REALLY, I WANNA WELCOME ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN TO A COUNCIL MEETING BEFORE. 
          I HOPE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME TO SOMETHING THAT'S FRUSTRATING YOU TO BRING YOU HERE. 
          HOPE TO SEE YOU MORE. 
          EVERYONE HAS A PUBLIC PHONE NUMBER UP HERE. 
          PICK UP THE PHONE, GIVE US A CALL. 
          TELL US WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU BEFORE YOU, IT HAS TO COME TO THIS AND YOU FEEL LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER RECOURSE. 
          REACH OUT TO US AND COMMUNICATE WITH US. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU CYNTHIA. 
          ANYBODY ELSE QUESTION WHILE YOU'RE THERE? YES. 
          EXPLANATION. 
          I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT NO INCREASES OVER 20 YEARS. 
          THIS, THE RATE STUDY REVIEW IS BROKEN DOWN INTO TWO ITEMS, WATER AND RECYCLED WATER. 
          STRONG FINANCIAL OUTLOOK FOR EXISTING RATES, AND NO INCREASES ARE NEEDED. 
          CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO THE ONLY AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS THE WASTEWATER. 
          WHO IS IT THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING, WHO, WHO ARE WE COLLECTING THAT MONEY FOR? PART OF IT IS FOR THE CITY'S OPERATIONS. 
          AND THEN THE BIG, THE BIGGEST COMPONENT OF IT IS FOR THE INLAND EMPIRE UTILITY AGENCY THAT ACTUALLY TREATS YOUR DISCHARGE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO IT'S, AGAIN, I'LL BRING THIS UP. 
          WE, I KEEP BEATING THIS HORSE TO DEATH. 
          WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT INLAND EMPIRE UTILITY AGENCY SHOULD BE DOING THEIR OWN BILLING. 
          WE ARE, THIS IS A PASS THROUGH. 
          THIS IS NOT MONEY THAT WE ARE COLLECTING FOR OUR USE. 
          THIS IS A CHARGE THAT THEY HAVE, THAT THEY'RE CHARGING OUR RESIDENTS FOR WASTEWATER, UH, UH, SEWER COVERAGE THAT, AND TREATMENT THAT WE ARE COLLECTING FOR THEM. 
          SO THE BIG INCREASE HERE IS LARGELY BECA BECAUSE OF THEIR, UH, THEIR COSTS. 
          IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE ABOUT BUDGETS, THEN YOU NEED TO GO TO THOSE HEARINGS AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH COSTS? WHY IS THIS GOING UP? WE CAN'T ANSWER THAT SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE WE'RE NOT THE ONES THAT ARE SETTING THEIR BUDGET AND PROPOSING THEIR INCREASES. 
          SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          SO JUST WANT, WHILE YOU WERE THERE TO VERIFY THAT SO THAT THE LISTENING AUDIENCE CAN UNDERSTAND. 
          SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW. 
          AND I ALSO POINT OUT THAT IS WHY THE PASS THROUGHS IS PART OF THE STATUTES, BECAUSE YOU DO NOT GOVERN THAT THIRD PARTY AGENCY. 
          SO THEN IT ALLOWS YOU TO USE THAT PROVISION TO PASS THROUGH THAT COST THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OTHERWISE, YOU THEN HAVE TO GET INTO THE BUSINESS OF ASSUMING WHAT YOU THINK THEY MIGHT INCREASE IT BY, AND THEN YOU MAY BE WRONG. 
          SO THEN THE PASS PROVISION ALLOWS YOU JUST TO, WHATEVER THEY, UH, DOCK, WHICH THEY HAVE BUDGETARY PROCESS AND WORKSHOPS LEADING UP TO THEIR APPROVING OF WHAT THEIR RATES ARE, THEY THEN PASS THROUGH TO THEIR MEMBER AGENCIES. 
          YEAH. 
          MR. MAYOR. 
          YES. 
          ALRIGHT, BRIAN, THANK YOU. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          AND TO, TO THE POINT. 
          TO THAT POINT. 
          NO, YOU'RE GOOD. 
          I'M, I'M GOOD. 
          AND TO THAT POINT, UM, I E A HAS THEIR OWN ELECTED BOARD OF DIRECTORS THAT YOU, THE RESIDENTS OF CHINO HILLS VOTE ON. 
          SO FEEL FREE TO ALSO SIGN UP FOR THEIR AGENDAS AND COMMENT ON THEIR ITEMS. THEY APPROVE THESE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THE EXPERTS IN THE SUBJECT AREA. 
          IT'S NOT US, SO FEEL FREE. 
          IT'S JUST LIKE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OR THE FIRE DISTRICT. 
          THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER THEM THE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THE, THE, THE WASTEWATER DISTRICT, ESSENTIALLY. 
          SO THEY'RE THEIR OWN, UH, ELECTED BODY. 
          IT'S NOT US. 
          AND THEN MR. BRUNER BROUGHT UP A SECTION OF THE STATE CONSTITUTION, WHICH MADE 
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ME CURIOUS. 
          SO LOOKING IT UP IN THE STATE CONSTITUTION, IT DEALS WITH PARCELS AND A RELATIONSHIP TO THE ENTIRETY OF CAPITAL COST OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS, MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS OF EXPENSES FOR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT, OR, UH, RELATED TO THE COST OF PROPERTY. 
          SO IT IS NOT A FEE, IT'S RELATED TO PROPERTY TAX ASSESSMENTS. 
          AND SO, SO I WAS GONNA EXPLAIN THAT, UM, AS I, WHEN I STARTED, UM, AT BEGINNING OF THE MEETING EXPLAINED THEIR PROP TWO 18 COVERS TAXES, ASSESSMENTS, AND FEES. 
          UM, WHAT THE GENTLEMAN BROUGHT UP WAS A REFERENCE TO THE ASSESSMENT PORTION OF PROP TWO 18. 
          AND UNDER THAT SECTION, IT IS A WEIGHTED, UM, APPROVAL PROCESS. 
          SO IF THE WEIGHTED VOTES IN FAVOR OUTWEIGH THE, UM, NO VOTES, THEN IT GETS IMPOSED. 
          AND THAT IS A, THE SPECIFIC PROCESS FOR ASSESSMENTS. 
          UM, BUT THIS IS NOT AN ASSESSMENT, IT'S A FEE. 
          SO, AND TO THAT POINT, TWO 18 IS A CONFUSING PROCESS. 
          BUT YEAH, THE VOTERS, YOU KNOW, ALL IN OUR, UH, ALL IN OUR WISDOM APPROVED IT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE. 
          AND, AND THE HOWARD JARVIS TAXPAYER ASSOCIATION IS A ACTIVE GROUP, AND YOU CAN GOOGLE THEM, AND THERE'S LOTS OF INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THEIR WEBSITE THAT EXPLAINS ALL OF THIS. 
          SO, OKAY, THANKS, SIR. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WITH THAT, I, WHAT'S THE NEXT PROCESS? OH, SORRY, FEW COMMENTS REAL FAST. 
          UM, I'M GONNA SAY BASICALLY THE SAME THING THAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID. 
          SO, I I E U A IS BASICALLY THEIR OWN ENTITY. 
          WE DO NOT HAVE A SEWER DEPARTMENT IN CHINO HILLS. 
          SO THIS IS ANOTHER COMPANY THAT'S ACTUALLY PASSING THROUGH. 
          SO THAT'S ABOUT 75% OF THE TOTAL COST, BUT 25% IS O AND M FEE, WHICH WE HAVE TO CHARGE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE SEWER SYSTEM AND WATER SYSTEM. 
          SO THAT IS OUR, OUR FEE AND OUR COST, AND WE TRY TO KEEP THOSE FEES DOWN AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. 
          BUT 75% WE HAVE NO SAY SO OTHER THAN DOING A PROTEST BALLOT, WHICH WE'VE DONE. 
          UM, SO WE, WE HEAR THE COMMUNITY, WE DON'T LIKE IT, BUT WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT. 
          I PERSONALLY VOTED NO. 
          I SENT IN MY, MY ENVELOPE, I SENT IT INTO THE CITY, AND THAT WAS A NO VOTE. 
          SO I DID WHAT I WAS SUPPOSED TO DO TO, TO VOTE. 
          THAT WAY, IF I DID VOTE, WOULD'VE BEEN A YES VOTE. 
          DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. 
          BUT THAT'S JUST HOW OUR LEGISLATOR DID ON THIS VOTING PROCESS, PROCESS OF PROP TWO 18. 
          SO WE DO HEAR YOU, WE DO UNDERSTAND WE'RE AS FRUSTRATED ABOUT THIS PROCESS AS YOU GUYS ARE, BUT THE PEOPLE OUT THERE, IF THEY DON'T WANT, IF THEY WANNA VOTE THIS DOWN, THEY HAVE TO VOTE, OR EXCUSE ME, THEY HAVE TO VOTE NO. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FINAL NUMBER IS. 
          AND YOU, YOU'RE GONNA FIND OUT, WE'VE PROBABLY SENT OUT OVER 20,000. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          SO IT'S GONNA BE SURPRISING. 
          I WOULD IMAGINE WE'LL PROBABLY GET BACK MAYBE THREE 5,000. 
          IT'LL BE, USUALLY WE GET 5,000 PLUS. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE WE'RE AS FRUSTRATED AS YOU GUYS ARE, BUT AGAIN, 75% OF THE FEES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE HAVE NO SAY SO WHATSOEVER. 
          WE'RE JUST PASSING IT THROUGH TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO I'M JUST TRYING TO EXPLAIN THAT TO YOU. 
          UM, WE HEAR YOU, WE UNDERSTAND, BUT THIS IS JUST THE PROCESS. 
          YEAH, THAT'S, THANK YOU. 
          GOOD. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, I THINK WE'VE, UH, KIND OF DETAILED THAT. 
          SO, CHERYL, CHERYL, WHAT, WHAT AT THIS TIME, WE'LL INVITE SCOTT OPPEL, WHO IS OUR CONSULTANT, WHO ASSISTED WITH COUNTING THE BALLOTS UP TO GIVE THE TALLY. 
          SCOTT AND THE TEAM WERE TALLYING VOTES ALL DAY TODAY AND ACCEPTED ANY NEW BALLOTS UP TILL NOW. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MAYOR STA UH, STAFF COUNCIL MEMBERS, SCOTT KAPO WITH THE FIRM KAPO AND GROUP REPUBLIC FINANCE. 
          WE'VE BEEN TABULATING BALLOTS STARTING AT 10 O'CLOCK THIS MORNING, AND WE FINISHED AT ABOUT SIX O'CLOCK MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, SO THE BALLOTS THAT YOU ACTUALLY RECEIVED WERE 7,030 OF THEM. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          UM, OF THOSE, WE WERE ABLE TO SCAN 6,529 OF 'EM. 
          THE OTHER ONES THAT WE COULDN'T SCAN, THE 501 WEREN'T FILLED OUT PROPERLY. 
          EITHER THE PEOPLE DIDN'T SIGN THE BALLOT OR THEY DIDN'T MARK THAT THEY WERE PROTESTING. 
          UM, OF THOSE 6,529 THAT WE, UH, SCANNED THE UNIQUE PARCELS. 
          SO IF A PROPERTY OWNER AND A RATEPAYER, THEY BOTH COULD PROTEST. 
          SO THE UNIQUE ONES THAT WE ACTUALLY HAD WAS 6,312. 
          OKAY. 
          IN ORDER TO HAVE A MAJORITY PROTEST, YOU NEEDED 11,360, RIGHT? 11,000. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          THOSE ARE THE VOTES. 
          SO, MAYOR, UM, SINCE THE NUMBER OF VALID PROTEST FORMS FROM UNIQUE PARCELS REQUIRED TO PREVENT THE ADOPTION OF THE PROPOSED RATE INCREASE, UM, IS 11 360, AND WE ONLY RECEIVED 6,312, UM, THE CITY MAY ADOPT THE PROPOSED WASTEWATER 
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RATES AND CHARGES AND ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE TO IMPOSE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S THE, THE PROPOSAL. 
          ARE WE, UH, GOOD TO DO A MO A MOTION AND A SECOND? WE MOVE ON. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL, I'LL MOVE THE ITEM AND A SECOND. 
          LOOKING FOR A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. MAY I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION? SO, WE'RE ACTUALLY VOTING NOT ABOUT THE PROCESS. 
          CORRECT. 
          ATTORNEY, MISS, CITY ATTORNEY, WE'RE VOTING ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT WE DID A, A BALLOT AND THESE ARE THE RESULTS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON, CORRECT? JUST WHAT SHE SAID. 
          YEAH. 
          THE, UM, ARE YOU TAKING THAT SEPARATE FROM THE INCREASE? NO, IT'S, IT'S ALL ONE. 
          IT'S ALL IN ONE. 
          SO, ADOPTING THE RESOLUTION, IT'S BEING PROPOSED IS, IS TO APPROVE THE RESULT OR TO, UH, UH, TO RECOGNIZE WHAT THE RESULTS ARE AND TO IMPLEMENT THE ORDINANCE FOR THE INCREASE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          FIVE ZERO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          NEXT WE 
          [22.  Adopt resolution approving Extension of Time 23EXT01 requested by Stonefield Development, applicant on behalf of Ausmas Properties, LLC, property owners, to grant 24-month extension to second phase of Tentative Tract Map No. 18393 which subdivides 29.8 acres of land to create 25 single-family residential properties located northwest of Carbon Canyon Road and east of Fairway Drive]
HAVE THE, UH, TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION APPROVING EXTENSION OF TIME REQUESTED BY STONEFIELD DEVELOPMENT APPLICANT ON BEHALF OF OSUS PROPERTIES. 
          THIS IS GOING TO BE PRESENTED BY SENIOR PLANNER TEDDER. 
          ALL RIGHT, RYAN, JUST LET'S GIVE JUST ONE MOMENT FOR SOME INDIVIDUALS TO, UM, OKAY, YOU DO. 
          YEAH. 
          SO NOW WE'LL CONTINUE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GONNA EXPLAIN THIS, RYAN, BUT WE'RE IN THE PROCESS WHERE THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THIS. 
          IT CAME TO THE CITY COUNCIL LAST COUNCIL MEETING. 
          I REQUESTED THAT WE PULL THIS FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          IT TOOK A SECOND COUNCIL MEMBER TO PUSH THIS TO THIS STAGE. 
          WE'RE AT COUNCIL MEMBER MARQUEZ, UH, BACKED ME UP ON THIS. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT BRINGS US TO TONIGHT. 
          YOU'RE ON. 
          GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. 
          MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS EXTENSION OF TIME NUMBER 23, EXT ZERO ONE FOR THE STONEFIELD DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, ALSO KNOWN AS TENTATIVE TRACK MAP 1 8 3 93. 
          AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED, THIS ITEM WAS PRESENTED TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND WAS APPROVED FOR A TWO YEAR EXTENSION FOR THAT PROJECT. 
          UH, CITY COUNCIL DID ELECT TO REVIEW THAT ACTION. 
          SO THAT BRINGS US HERE THIS EVENING. 
          LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THE PROJECT. 
          FIRST OF ALL, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE OF CARBON CANYON ROAD IN EAST OF FAIRWAY DRIVE. 
          THE OVERALL PROJECT AREA IS APPROXIMATELY 34.73, ALMOST 35 ACRES, UH, OF WHICH ABOUT 30 ACRES REMAIN IN THE SECOND PHASE, WHICH IS REALLY THE SUBJECT OF THE EXTENSION REQUEST. 
          THE GENERAL PLAN LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THIS PROPERTY AS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, AND IT HAS A ZONING DESIGNATION OF PLAN DEVELOPMENT PD 18 DASH 1 57. 
          THE CURRENT USE OF THE PROPERTY IS VACANT. 
          SO PLAN DEVELOPMENT 1 8 1 57 WAS APPROVED BY THE SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN 1989. 
          UH, IN 93, THE CITY APPROVED REVISION INCREASING THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS POTENTIALLY WITHIN THAT PD FROM 45 TO 46. 
          AND WHILE THE ASSOCIATED MAP THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED WITH THAT, UH, PD AMENDMENT WAS NOT RECORDED, THE ZONING REMAINS FOR THIS PROPERTY. 
          TENTATIVE TRACK MAP NUMBER 1 8 3 93, ALSO KNOWN AS A STONEFIELD PROJECT, WOULD SUBDIVIDE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY INTO 28 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AND 14 LOTS PER OPEN SPACE, PRIVATE STREET, AND ACCESS PURPOSES. 
          THIS RESULTS IN AN OVERALL DENSITY OF ABOUT 0.81 UNITS PER ACRE WITH LOT SIZES AVERAGING ABOUT 16,000, ALMOST 16,500 SQUARE FEET. 
          THE PROJECT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON OCTOBER 27TH, 2009. 
          IT INCLUDED A COUPLE OF ASSOCIATED ENTITLEMENTS, A DESIGN REVIEW, AND A MINOR VARIANCE, AND AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT WAS ADOPTED FOR THE PROJECT AT THAT TIME. 
          THIS SLIDE PRESENTS A CHRONOLOGY OF THE EXPIRATION DATE THAT'S BEEN CHANGED FOR THIS PROJECT A NUMBER OF TIMES. 
          IT WAS SUBJECT TO A NUMBER OF EXTENSIONS GRANTED AUTOMATICALLY BY THE STATE, INCLUDING SOME FOR THE 2008 RECESSION, AND ESPECIALLY THAT AFFECTED THE HOUSING MARKET AS WELL AS AN ADDITIONAL EXTENSION THAT WAS GRANTED DURING THE COVID PANDEMIC. 
          UH, IN TOTAL, IT RECEIVED FIVE AND A HALF YEARS OF STATE GRANTED EXTENSIONS. 
          THE CITY ALSO GRANTED TWO ONE-YEAR EXTENSIONS IN 2016 AND 2017, AND THE MAP ALSO BENEFITED FROM AN AUTOMATIC THREE YEAR EXTENSION AS A RESULT OF THEIR RECORDATION OF THE FIRST PHASE. 
          STONEFIELD DEVELOPMENT ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY IN 2006, 
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UH, TAKING IT THROUGH THE ENTITLEMENT PROCESS IN RECEIVING APPROVAL FROM THE CITY COUNCIL IN 2009. 
          IN TWO 2011, STONEFIELD SOLD THE PROJECT TO ASMUS PROPERTIES, LLC, WHICH IS THE CURRENT OWNER. 
          HOWEVER, THEY RETAINED STONEFIELD DEVELOPMENT AS THE PROJECT MANAGER, AND THEY'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THAT PROJECT EVER SINCE. 
          IN PURSUING ITS POST ENTITLEMENT PROCESSING, INCLUDING PREPARATION OF THE FINAL MAP, INCLUDING THE RECORDATION OF THAT FIRST PHASE, THE PREPARATION OF STREET AND UTILITY IMPROVEMENT PLANS, AND THE ROUGH GRADING PLAN FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          AS NOTED, THE FIRST PHASE OF THE FINAL MAP WAS RECORDED IN 2018. 
          THE APPLICANT IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON THE FINAL MAP FOR THE REMAINING PHASE, AS WELL AS IMPROVEMENT PLANS. 
          THE ROUGH GRADING PLANS IN VARIOUS TECHNICAL REPORTS AND STUDIES REQUIRED TO PURSUE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE EFFORTS WERE SUBSTANTIALLY HAMPERED BY THE COVID 19 PANDEMIC AND RESULT IN ECONOMIC CHALLENGES, UH, AS EXPERIENCED BY THE CITY, A NUMBER OF CONSULTANTS WERE UNAVAILABLE OR UNDERSTAFFED. 
          UH, JUST CHALLENGES WORKING THROUGH THAT ENVIRONMENT. 
          AS WE ALL RECALL. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT DOES ADVISE THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY ABOUT 70% COMPLETE, AND THAT OTHER PROJECT TASKS ARE PROGRESSING STEADILY DURING THE REVIEW OF THE PROJECT BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE COMMISSION, I, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE RESIDENTS THAT SPOKE DURING THAT MEETING, IDENTIFIED SEVERAL CONCERNS, INCLUDING WILDFIRE RISK AND FIRE HAZARDS, UH, TRAFFIC FAIR SHARES THAT WERE OUTDATED SINCE THEY WERE ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 2009. 
          AND A COUPLE OF OTHER FACTORS. 
          AFTER HEARING THIS AND RECEIVING A CONTINUANCE ON THE HEARING, THE APPLICANT WORKED WITH STAFF TO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS AS RAISED BY THE COMMISSION, AND AGREED TO RECORD A COVENANT AGAINST THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD OBLIGATE THEM TO PREPARE A FIRE PROTECTION PLAN, UH, SUBJECT TO REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE CHINO VALLEY FIRE DISTRICT PRIOR TO THE APPROVAL OF THE FINAL MAP, AMENDING THE DESIGN REVIEW IF IT BECAME NECESSARY DUE TO CHANGES FROM THAT FIRE PROTECTION PLAN, AS WELL AS ADJUSTING THE TRAFFIC FAIR SHARE AMOUNTS BASED UPON AN INFLATION FACTOR. 
          THIS COVENANT HAS BEEN EXECUTED BY THE DEVELOPER, AND ITS CITY CURRENTLY IS HOLDING THAT COVENANT. 
          DEPENDING ON THE OUTCOME OF THIS MEETING, SHOULD THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVE THE EXTENSION, WE WILL RECORD THE COVENANT, AND THE DEVELOPER WILL CONTINUE PROCEEDING WITH THE PROJECT IN AND PURSUANT TO THESE REQUIREMENTS. 
          IF THE MAP IS, IF THE EXTENSION IS NOT GRANTED AND THE MAP EXPIRES, ANY FUTURE PROPOSAL TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY WILL REQUIRE NEW ENTITLEMENT AND ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW. 
          ANY FUTURE APPLICATIONS WOULD BE REVIEWED FOR CONSISTENCY WITH THE CITY'S GENERAL PLAN AND THE ZONING. 
          UH, JUST AS A REMINDER, PD 1 8 1 57 DOES ALLOW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF 46 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WHICH SHOULD BE AN 18 DWELLING UNIT INCREASE RELATIVE TO THE CURRENT PROJECT. 
          AND EXPIRATION OF THE TENTATIVE MAP WOULD NOT NEC, WOULD NOT RESCIND THE RECORDATION OF THE FIRST PHASE, WHICH INCLUDED THREE RESIDENTIAL UNITS. 
          MM-HMM. 
           QUESTION? YES, SURE. 
          I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. 
          SO JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY. 
          SORRY. 
          HERE, MARK. 
          OOPS, GET CLOSE. 
          OH, HERE WE GO. 
          SO IT SAYS, ANY, UM, FUTURE APPLICATION WOULD BE REVIEWED, SO LIKE IF THE EXTENSION WAS DENIED AND A NEW APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED, SO IT'S SAYING IT WOULD BE REVIEWED FOR CONSISTENCY WITH THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          SO HOW MANY UNITS COULD THAT GO UP TO ABOVE THE 46? WELL, IT WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH BOTH THE GENERAL PLAN AND THE ZONING. 
          SO THE ZONING WOULD LIMIT IT TO 46 IF WE WERE TO STRICTLY LOOK AT THE GENERAL PLAN. 
          IT DO, IT IS DESIGNATED FOR LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH HAS A DENSITY RANGE FROM TWO TO SIX DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, SO IF WE WERE TO APPLY THAT TO THIS PROJECT, IT WOULD BE BETWEEN 69 AND 208 DWELLING UNITS. 
          UH, BUT AGAIN, IT IS CAPPED BY THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AT 46. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S MY CLERK. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AS PREVIOUSLY NOTED, AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT STATEMENT OF OVERRIDING CONSIDERATIONS AND MITIGATION MONITORING AND REPORTING PROGRAM WERE PREPARED, REVIEWED, AND ADOPTED FOR THE PROJECT IN 2009. 
          UH, THERE HAVE BEEN NO CHANGES TO THE PROJECT OR CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING THE PROJECT DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY ALTER THE ANALYSIS THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THAT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT. 
          THEREFORE, NO FURTHER ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW IS REQUIRED AT THIS TIME AND FOR THE GRANTING OF THIS EXTENSION. 
          THEREFORE, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING CITY COUNCIL RECEIVE THE STAFF REPORT, OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND RECEIVE PUBLIC TESTIMONY, AND ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING EXTENSION OF TIME NUMBER 23 EXT ZERO ONE, GRANTING A TWO YEAR EXTENSION TO THE STONEFIELD DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. 
          THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. 
          I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          OKAY. 
          QUESTIONS OF RYAN BEFORE WE START TALKING. 
          OKAY, RYAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          STAY CLOSE. 
          AND IF I MAY ADDITIONALLY NOTE, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND PREPARED TO RESPOND TO COUNSEL. 
          RIGHT. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO HERE WE ARE. 
          UM, I MEAN, THE PERSPECTIVE I HAVE, I WAS ON THE CITY COUNCIL WHEN THIS WAS APPROVED. 
          UH, I BELIEVE OUR, I WAS ALSO, ALSO, AND, UH, WE HAD A LOT OF DEBATE ON THIS AT THE TIME. 
          I KNOW THAT WE BUILT IN PROVISIONS FOR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS ON CARBON CANYON ROAD AS PART OF THE, UM, UH, CONSIDERATION OF APPROVING THIS. 
          AND AT LEAST MY POINT OF VIEW SINCE I WAS THERE FOR THAT ORIGINAL VOTE, IS, UH, IT WAS EXTENDED A NUMBER OF TIMES. 
          AND INCLUDING 2018, I REMEMBER MAYOR HAVING SOME DIALOGUE WITH SOMEONE THAT 
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APPROACHED ME. 
          A CONSULTANT? YES. 
          MAYOR, MAYOR ROGERS. 
          UM, CAN YOU OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? AREN'T WE ALLOWED TO TALK FROM THE DIOCESE BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? THAT'S WHAT WE DO HISTORICALLY FOR COLLIER GENERAL DISCUSSION, AS OPPOSED TO COMM, I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT RENDERING ANY OPINIONS YET. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO LET'S JUST SAY, I'LL GET BACK TO WHAT I WAS SAYING IN A FEW MINUTES. 
          . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          TWO IS, I'M NOT DONE. 
          UM, ANYBODY ELSE WANT A VERY GENERAL COMMENT BEFORE WE MOVE ON? I'D LIKE TO LISTEN TO WITNESSES. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          AND WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE TOPIC? WE HAVE FOUR SPEAKER CARDS AT THIS TIME. 
          FIRST SPEAKER IS JAN EDWARDS. 
          ALL RIGHT, JAN. 
          WELCOME. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS JAN EDWARDS. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR ROGERS AND THE COUNCIL FOR REVIEWING THIS PROJECT. 
          FURTHER, THOUGH, MY FIRST DESIRE WOULD BE TO SEE NO MORE HOMES IN CARBON CANYON. 
          I UNDERSTAND THE LAND WAS SOLD IN ZONED FOR HOMES BACK IN 2009. 
          THEREFORE, I'M PLEASED THAT THE STONEFIELD PROJECT ONLY INCLUDES 28 BEAUTIFUL HOMES AND LANDSCAPING AS A RESI, A RESIDENT, AND A BOARD MEMBER OF WESTERN HILLS ESTATES, A 55 AND OVER MOBILE HOME COMMUNITY, WHICH FOR THE RECORD, IS NOT A TRAILER PARK. 
          MY CONCERNS ARE PRIMARILY FOR SAFETY AND ACCESSIBILITY. 
          THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT ITSELF WILL INCLUDE LOTS OF EQUIPMENT, TRUCKS, AND EARTH MOVERS OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. 
          IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT WE CONTINUE TO HAVE SAFE ACCESS IN AND OUT FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES AT ALL TIMES THROUGHOUT THIS PROJECT. 
          FAIRWAY DRIVE IS A TWO LANE ROAD, I UNDERSTAND, UH, MAINTAINED BY CALTRANS WITH A HIGH SPEED INGRESS AND EGRESS TO AND FROM CARBON CANYON. 
          EVEN WITH RIGHT HAND TURNOUT, EVEN WITH A RIGHT HAND TURNOUT FROM CARBON CANYON TO FAIRWAY DRIVE, THE FIRST ENTRANCE TO THE STONEFIELD COMMUNITY WILL BE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE TURN, AS WELL AS TO THE ENTRANCE TO THE GOLF COURSE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET, CREATING A VERY DANGEROUS DRIVING ENVIRONMENT FOR EVERYONE. 
          THE EXIT FROM FAIRWAY DRIVE TO CARBON CANYON IS ALWAYS CHALLENGING. 
          IT IS CURRENTLY UNSAFE, AND MANY PEOPLE CHOOSE TO EVEN TURN RIGHT AND THEN TURN AROUND IN THE ADJACENT COMMUNITY. 
          GOLF COURSE NUMBERS ARE HIGHER THAN IN THE PAST. 
          AND WITH THE ADDITIONAL HOMES, THE BACKUP ON FAIRWAY DRIVE TO MAKE THE LEFT TURN WILL BE GREATER, A SAFETY CONCERN AFTER THE TURN IS MADE. 
          UM, JUST YESTERDAY IN FRONT OF ME, SOMEONE LEAVING THE GOLF COURSE PULLED RIGHT OUT INTO THE MIDDLE OF CARMEN CANYON ROAD AND REQUIRED CARS FROM BOTH DIRECTIONS TO IMMEDIATELY STOP TO AVOID A COLLISION. 
          THIS ONE WAS AVOIDED, BUT WE'RE NOT ALWAYS SO FORTUNATE IN THAT AREA. 
          I'M REQUESTING THE COUNCIL REQUIRE DUE DILIGENCE ON BEHALF OF OUR COMMUNITY AND THE RESIDENTS OF CARBON CANYON TO REVIEW IMPACT REPORTS FROM 13 TO 14 YEARS AGO ARE JUST, IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE. 
          THEY'RE OBSOLETE. 
          PLEASE REQUIRE UPDATED EVALUATIONS IN ALL AREAS OF THE IMPACT. 
          I DO NOT HAVE TIME TO SHARE ALL THE CONCERNS REGARDING WATER PRESSURE EMERGENCY EXITS DURING OUR EVACUATIONS, WHICH HAPPEN ALMOST ANNUALLY. 
          SEWAGE PLANT CAPACITY, WHICH IS NOW MAINTAINED FOR OUR PARK, UM, THROUGH THE GOLF COURSE, FIRE INSURANCE LIMITATIONS IN THE CANYON, AND MOST DISTURBING OF ALL THE POTENTIAL LEWIS HOLMES PROJECT THAT'S ON THE DOCKET. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JAN. 
          GREG, POPPA, GREG, DEBORAH CROW. 
          GREG, YOU DIDN'T BRING YOUR MASCOT DEBBIE LONG. 
          I DIDN'T . 
          UH, THANKS FOR HAVING ME. 
          UH, JAN PROBABLY TALKED ABOUT EVERYTHING I WAS GONNA SPEAK OF. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY IS IMPERATIVE IS THAT TURN, UH, YOU HAVE 55 AND OLDER PEOPLE MAKING THAT LEFT-HAND TURN, TRYING TO GET DOWN INTO CHINO AND CHINO HILLS. 
          AND, UH, IT, IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE HAVE A LIGHT THERE. 
          IT'S JUST, AND, AND WHEN WE'VE TALKED ABOUT LIGHTS BEFORE, AND I'VE GONE TO DIFFERENT MEETINGS, I DID GO TO THIS LAST COMMISSION MEETING, UH, WHEN, UM, THEY APPROVED IT. 
          THEY DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE SEW SEWER SYSTEM, UM, AND HOW AND WHERE IT'S GONNA GO. 
          OUR SEWER SYSTEM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IS ON THE GOLF COURSE, AND IT ACCOMMODATES THE 101 HOMES THAT WE HAVE. 
          IT ACCOMMODATES 17 HOMES ON THE HILL AND ALSO THE GOLF COURSE ITSELF. 
          UM, THERE'S, THERE'S NO REGULATION ON THAT. 
          WE GET A BILL AND, UH, WE'RE PROBABLY 63% OF THAT BILL, UM, WHEN THEY SEND THE BILL. 
          AND, AND THAT'S A REAL BIG CONCERN FOR US. 
          UM, THE OTHER IS THE ACCESS FOR THESE OLDER PEOPLE GETTING IN AND OUT OF THERE. 
          JAN HIT THE, THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WHEN SHE SAID THERE'S GONNA BE HEAVY CONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, WE REALLY HAVE TO, 
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OR THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN SOME SORT OF, UM, CONSISTENCY AND GET THOSE PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF THAT COMMUNITY. 
          IT'S JUST, IT'S IMPERATIVE. 
          WE HAVE 80 YEAR OLD PEOPLE DRIVING IN AND OUT OF THAT PARK. 
          AND IT'S NOT A TRAILER PARK, AS JAN SAID, IT'S A MOBILE HOME PARK. 
          I'VE MADE THAT MISTAKE IN THE PAST, . 
          SO I'M, I'M ASKING YOU TO REVIEW THE SEWER SYSTEM. 
          UM, I'VE GOT OTHER THINGS ON HERE. 
          THE WATER PRESSURE IN OUR COMMUNITY IS NOT THE BEST, AND NOW WE'RE GONNA ADD 28 MORE HOMES TO THAT AREA THAT'S GONNA PULL MORE WATER. 
          AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS, AND I'VE HEARD A COUPLE TIMES THAT THIS IS A GRAVITY FEED AND NOT A PRESSURE FEED, AND THAT MIGHT HAVE TO BE CORRECTED. 
          UM, AND THEN THE LAST THING I'VE GOT BEFORE MY TIME'S UP IS JUST THE ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, CHECK ON TRAFFIC, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, AND THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN CHINO HILLS, IT'S ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE. 
          UM, THERE'S ACCIDENTS EVERY WEEK ON THAT, THAT, UH, STREET OR THAT ROAD. 
          AND, UH, WE REALLY NEED TO DO A, A GREAT SURVEY. 
          THE STREETS HAVE BEEN IMPROVED, AND WE APPRECIATE ALL OF THAT. 
          BUT BOY, I'LL TELL YOU, THERE ARE MORE ACCIDENTS NOW AND MORE HEAVY TRAFFIC COMING FROM THE BREA SIDE THROUGH AND TRYING TO MAKE THAT TURN IT'SS ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE AS JAN POINTED OUT. 
          SO THAT'S MY TIME. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU, GREG. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          BOB PACK, THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, SO I THOUGHT I WOULD HAVE HIM COME UP AT THIS TIME. 
          IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE COMMUNITY? THERE IS, BUT USUALLY THE APPLICANT SPEAKS BEFORE THE PUBLIC. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S GIVE, SO THAT, LET'S STICK WITH THE TREND WE'RE ON, WHICH IS THE, UH, PUBLIC. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN HE CAN RESPOND TO ANYTHING HE HEARD. 
          JAMES CLARK. 
          OKAY. 
          WELCOME. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          THIS WILL TAKE A FEW MINUTES FOR ME. 
          UM, GET THREE. 
          UM, MY CONCERN IS THAT RECENTLY THE, UH, OUR INSURANCE COMPANIES DECIDED THAT WE NEEDED A SEPARATE FIRE INSURANCE POLICY IN ORDER TO LIVE IN WESTERN HILLS ESTATES. 
          I GUESS THEY, THEY FEEL IT'S, UH, AND ADDED FIRE RISK TO THE FIRES OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS, AS I UNDERSTAND. 
          UH, WELL, I HAD TO EVACUATE ONCE. 
          AND MY CONCERN RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY EVACUATION POINT OUT OF WESTERN HILLS ESTATES IS, UH, PAST THE GOLF COURSE AND UP TO, UH, CAR, UH, HIGHWAY 1 42, WHICH IS, I BELIEVE, A CALTRANS ROAD. 
          AND THEY'VE, OVER THE YEARS, THEY'VE HAD REQUESTS TO IMPROVE THAT ROAD. 
          AND, UH, NONE OF THEM SEEM TO HAVE COME TO FRUITION. 
          SO IT'S A LIMITED ACCESS. 
          AS FAR AS OUR GENTLEMAN SAID ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS, NOTHING HAS CHANGED SINCE 2009, BUT I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY THE NUMBER. 
          BUT THERE'S A DOZENS OF HOMES UP CANYON HILLS DRIVE EXPENSIVE HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED SINCE, UH, THE INITIAL PROPOSAL FOR ADDING 28 HOMES. 
          IN ADDITION TO THE 28 HOMES. 
          THERE'S ALSO A PROPOSAL FOR ANOTHER 180 RESIDENCE. 
          SO IT'LL GIVE US APPROXIMATELY 300 PEOPLE THAT NEED TO, IN, IN CASE OF FIRE, DO EXIT THROUGH ONE NARROW LOCATION ON A RISKY LEFT TURN. 
          CAUSE THEY'RE ONLY GONNA LET US GO OUT THROUGH CHINO. 
          THEY'RE NOT GONNA LET US GO TO BREA. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO WE PUTS ALL OF US, ALL OF US EXISTING RESIDENTS, AND ANY NEW, NEW RESIDENTS COMING INTO THAT COMMUNITY, INCLUDING THE GOLF COURSE COMMUNITY, AND IN THESE 28 HOMES MM-HMM. 
           PUTS US ALL AT RISK AND VULNERABLE DURING AN EMERGENCY FIRE EVACUATION. 
          UM, THAT'S ABOUT ALL I GOT ON THE TOP OF MY HEAD RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME, SIR. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ERIC SIMSON. 
          OKAY, ERIC. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. 
          COUNSEL. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. 
          MY NAME'S ERIC SIMONSON, 27 YEAR RESIDENT, CHINO HILLS. 
          AS I, I HAD A COUPLE OF POINTS HERE THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED. 
          WE ALL KNOW ABOUT THE INSURANCE PROBLEMS AND LACK OF WATER. 
          WE HAD ONE GOOD RAINY SEASON, BUT THAT'S NOT GONNA LAST, BUT, SO I'LL SKIP OVER THAT AND GET TO THE, THE ONE POINT I THINK WE HAVE A CO COUPLE OF RED FLAGS WHEN, ABOUT 12 YEARS AGO WHEN THEY, UH, BUILT PINECREST. 
          NOW THIS IS THE, UH, LINE OF HOMES THAT LOOKS AS WEST OF THE, UH, COUNTRY HILLS GOLF COURSE, AND, UH, OVERLOOKS IT. 
          THEY HAD TO STOP, YOU KNOW, AS THEY STARTED TO STRIP THE LAND AND TAKE THE GRASS DOWN THERE. 
          NO, THERE WERE NO LARGE TREES. 
          AND FOR A LONG TIME, WE WERE LOOKING AT DIRT MOVERS AND STRIP LAND BECAUSE IT WAS COLLAPSING AND UNSTABLE. 
          UH, SO THAT WAS A WHILE. 
          EVERYONE'S FORGOTTEN ABOUT THAT NOW. 
          AND I'VE WATCHED THE DYNAMICS OF THE ROAD AND THE, AND EVERYTHING'S CHANGED. 
          AND NOW WE HAVE A MORE RECENT RED FLAG BECAUSE A SINGLE 
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HOME DWELLING HAS BEEN APPROVED. 
          AND SINCE EARLY 2021, UH, HAS BEEN UNDER CONSTRUCTION AT THE TOP OF THE S-CURVES. 
          AND IT'S KIND OF THE TALK OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, BECAUSE EVERY TIME YOU TURN AROUND, THERE'S A NEW RETAINER WALL AROUND IT. 
          SO NOW IT'S SURROUNDED BY CBS BLOCKS ON THREE SIDES AND LUMBER ON ONE SIDE. 
          AND THIS IS TO KEEP THE SOIL FROM COLLAPSING. 
          AND WHEN WE HAD OUR HEAVY RAINS THIS WINTER, THE MUD FLOW CAME OUT ALL THE WAY ON CARBON CANYON ROAD. 
          CALTRANS HAD TO COME OUT TWICE AND CLEAN IT UP. 
          IT ALMOST, THE MUD FLOW MADE IT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO CARRIAGE HILLS ALMOST, WHICH IS ABOUT THREE OR 400 FEET, FEET DOWN THE ROAD. 
          AND ALSO, IT CONTINUALLY, THE ROAD THAT GOES UP TO THE TOP OF THE HILL WITH THE TWO RESIDENTS AND THE MICROWAVE TOWER, UH, THAT ROAD WAS MUDDY ALL WINTER. 
          SO THIS IS JUST ADJACENT TO WHERE THE PROPOSED 28 HOMES ARE GOING TO BE BUILT. 
          NOW, I'M NOT QUESTIONING THE QUALITY OF STONEFIELD. 
          I'M SURE THEY CAN BUILD TOP QUALITY HOMES AND SO FORTH. 
          WE HATE TO SEE THAT BEAUTIFUL LAND. 
          AND AS YOU COME TO THE TOP OF THE S CURVES, IT'S JUST WIDE OPEN SPACE, WHICH SAYS CHINO HILLS. 
          WE HATE TO SEE THAT GO, EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY BUILD QUALITY HOMES. 
          I, I BELIEVE THE SOIL THERE IS GONNA BE A PROBLEM WHEN IT, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT GETS WET. 
          SO I THINK, I KNOW GEOLOGICAL STUDIES WERE DONE YEARS AGO WHEN THIS WAS APPROVED, BUT I THINK THEY NEED TO LOOK AT THAT AGAIN, BECAUSE WHEN THAT SOIL COLLAPSES, THE MUD OOZING OUT IN BETWEEN THE BRICK WALLS OF THIS HOME THAT'S ALREADY UP THERE. 
          YOU CAN GO AND LOOK AT IT. 
          IT'S RIGHT ADJACENT TO WHERE THE NEW HOMES ARE GONNA GO IN. 
          AND THERE HAS BEEN NO PROGRESS ON THAT HOME. 
          THERE'S NO FOUNDATION YET. 
          AND IT'S BEEN WORKED ON SINCE EARLY 2021. 
          NOW WE'RE IN JULY, 2023. 
          SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT STOPPED, BUT SO FAR THAT HOME IS HELD UP. 
          I DON'T WANNA SEE 28 HOMES GET HELD UP BY COLLAPSING SOIL. 
          SO THAT'S MY MAIN POINT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          NOW, BOB, RIGHT NOW BOB PACK? YES. 
          OKAY, BOB, YOU'RE UP. 
          WELCOME BACK. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR AND COUNSEL, INDIVIDUALS AND STAFF. 
          I, UH, I WANT TO COMMEND RYAN AND THE STAFF FOR DOING A EXCELLENT REPRESENTATION OF, UH, WHAT'S OCCURRED HERE AS FAR AS THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS AS IT RELATES TO THE PROJECT. 
          AND, UH, I, I APPRECIATE THE INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC, AND THOSE ARE ALL LEGITIMATE CONCERNS FOR ALL OF US. 
          FIRE IS A CONCERN, AND IN THE STATE, ESPECIALLY NOW WITH ALL THE HEAVY RAINS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID, UH, AS THE DEVELOPER IS WE DID OUTREACH WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL. 
          WE TALKED TO HIM, AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, ACTUALLY, GOING BACK A LITTLE BIT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD ASKED, BECAUSE THEY DID A, BY THE WAY, I WANNA COMMEND ALL THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS. 
          I KNOW THEY'RE PRIMARILY ASSIGNED BY EACH ONE OF YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS IS TO, UH, A DELEGATE FOR YOU. 
          AND THEY REALLY REPRESENTED THE INTERESTS OF THE CITY AND THE RESIDENTS WITH THE THINGS THAT THEY HAD ASKED FOR. 
          IT WASN'T A REQUIREMENT BY, BASED ON THE CITY ATTORNEY'S, UH, REPRESENTATIONS OF TRYING TO ADD CONDITIONS WITH RESPECT TO, UH, THE PREVIOUS CONDITIONS. 
          BUT WE, THROUGH THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE STAFF, WE WERE ABLE TO COME UP WITH THIS COVENANT THAT RYAN SPOKE TO ABOUT ADDING THE FAIR SHARE APPLICATION AS FAR AS IMPACT FEES THAT WERE CONCERNED. 
          AND IT'S ONLY FAIR, IT'S BEEN SEVERAL YEARS SINCE, YOU KNOW, 2009 WHEN THIS PROJECT WAS APPROVED. 
          SO WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT OF EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES THAT HAVE TAKEN US TO THE LEVEL THAT WE ARE RIGHT NOW. 
          BUT AS FAR, GETTING BACK TO THE FIRE COMPONENT, UH, THE FIRE MARSHAL TOLD ME THAT THE DEVELOPMENT ACTUALLY WILL SERVE AS A BETTER BARRIER AS FAR AS CONTAINMENT IS CONCERNED, AS OPPOSED TO ABOUT A 35 ACRE OR 2035 ACRE JUST HILLSIDE THAT HAS BRUSHED. 
          BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY ONLY DO A 50 FOOT WIDE SWATH ON THE FIRE, UH, BASICALLY THE FIRE ROAD ON THE EDGES OF THE PROPERTY. 
          SO HAVING THE PERMANENT STRUCTURES WILL HELP WITH ALL THAT. 
          SO I'M HERE TONIGHT JUST TO SAY THAT WE, WE CONCUR WITH EVERYTHING THAT WAS BEEN DONE BY STAFF, AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AS IT RELATES TO THE PROJECT. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          WELL, THANK YOU, BOB. 
          ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW? FILM? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? SINCE THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, WISH TO MAKE COMMENT ON THE PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SEEING NOBODY HEARING, NOBODY WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION AND BRING IT BACK UP. 
          AS 
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I WAS SAYING, IT WAS, UM, IN 2018 WHEN THIS CAME UP, IT WAS A TWO YEAR EXTENSION. 
          OBVIOUSLY COVID CAME IN. 
          AM I ALLOWED TO TALK? NOW OFFICIALLY, I SEE EYES WATCHING AT THE TIME. 
          I REMEMBER, UH, A CONSULTANT FOR EITHER STONEFIELD OR THE OWNER MAKING A COMMENT TO ME SAYING, WE JUST NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME. 
          WE JUST NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME. 
          IT COULD EVEN BE A MATTER OF MONTHS, AND THEN WE WILL PROCEED. 
          AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS 2018, 2019, AND IN 2020 HITS AND WE COVID KICKS IN. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE ABILITY TO JUST SHUT DOWN OPERATIONS COMPLETELY. 
          I KNOW WE WERE PRETTY MUCH OPEN ALL THOSE ELEMENTS IS WHAT COMPELLED ME TO MAKE THE REQUEST WITH RAY. 
          FOLLOWING UP ON THAT, TO PULL THIS FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, I KNOW IT WENT THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          IT WAS VETTED VERY THOROUGHLY THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          BUT, UH, I PASSED THAT PROPERTY ALL THE TIME. 
          AND I, I REMEMBER A COUPLE YEARS AGO I ASKED OUR CITY MANAGER, WHEN IS THAT COMING BACK UP? I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST A COUPLE YEARS. 
          AND HE SAID, IT SHOULD BE COMING UP SOON. 
          IT SHOULD BE COMING UP SOON. 
          SO THAT WAS 2018. 
          SO FIVE YEARS AGO IS WHEN WAS LAST REVIEWED. 
          SO THOUGHT, OKAY, LET'S DO A LITTLE MORE THOROUGH REVIEW AT, ON THE COUNCIL SIDE, UH, SO WE CAN ALL FEEL GOOD OR NOT GOOD ABOUT IT, WHATEVER PEOPLE WANT TO EXPRESS FROM THE, FROM THE S. 
          BUT THAT'S KINDA THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT VERSUS TWO WEEKS AGO, IF THIS WASN'T PULLED, THIS WOULD'VE BEEN APPROVED ALREADY. 
          SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY'S INPUT. 
          BY THE WAY. 
          UH, IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT, AS WAS SAID EARLIER, UH, ACTUALLY DURING YOUR, YOUR LITTLE PRAYER ART THAT WE ALWAYS SEEK PUBLIC INPUT, UM, AND VALUE IT ACTUALLY. 
          SO WITH THAT, IS THERE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS THAT WISH I'VE HAD? QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO FIRST OR RAY? CAN I GO? YES. 
          TEACHERS, THERE'S THE REASON I WASN'T ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND YOU GUYS WERE SO, BEAR WITH ME HERE. 
          SO, OKAY, SO BEFORE US TONIGHT IS, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH APPROVING THE PROJECT, IT'S EXTENSION, CORRECT? MM-HMM. 
          , JUST TO EXTEND IT EXTENDING BY TWO YEARS. 
          TWO YEARS. 
          SO IF WE GRANT THE EXTENSION TONIGHT, AM I CORRECT IN THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF HOMES THAT CAN BE BUILT IS 28 IF WE APPROVE THE EXTENSION, CORRECT. 
          I I WOULD SAY YES WITH THE PROVISO, AND THIS WOULD GO BOTH WAYS, IS THAT WITH THE ADU LAWS AND SB NINE, UM, YOU CAN DOUBLE OR TRIPLE THAT IN THEORY, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE CASE ANYWHERE IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY, GOTCHA. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UM, IF WE APPROVE THE EXTENSION, WILL NEW STUDIES BE REQUIRED? I E LIKE TRAFFIC ENVIRONMENT, BECAUSE RESIDENTS BROUGHT UP VERY GOOD POINTS THAT THE TRAFFIC IS NOT THE SAME. 
          ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS ARE NOT THE SAME. 
          SO IF WE GRANT THE EXTENSION, ARE THEY GONNA HAVE, ARE THEY GONNA BE, I DON'T KNOW WHO TO LOOK, NICK I KNOW, OR I DON'T KNOW WHO TO LOOK. 
          SO, OR THE ONLY, THE ONLY STUDIES, I'M, WE CAN BOTH TAG TEAM THIS, I THINK IS, IS THE, THEY'RE GONNA DO THE FIRE PREVENTION, UH, ANALYSIS. 
          I THINK THAT THEY'VE, THEY'VE SPOKEN ABOUT WANTING TO LOOK AT THE, UM, THE TRAFFIC ISSUE AND THE ACCELERATION DECELERATION LANE AND TRY TO SWAP IT OUT WITH THE TRAFFIC LIGHT. 
          UM, AND THEY'D LIKE TO, WHEN YOU SAY THEY, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT OUR STAFFS? THE DEVELOPER. 
          THE DEVELOPER, OKAY. 
          WOULD LIKE TO STUDY THAT. 
          THAT WILL TAKE CALTRANS TO, UM, TO AGREE IF THAT WAS TO OCCUR. 
          AND, AND THE COUNCIL ALSO TO THEN MODIFY, UM, THE PROJECT SOMEWHAT. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THEY WANT TO LOOK INTO. 
          I DON'T KNOW, SEE THAT, IS THAT THE APPLICANT JUST WORKING ON GOOD FAITH? WE ARE, WE, WE HAVE NOTHING TO COMPEL HIM AND REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO DO A NEW TRAFFIC STUDY. 
          UM, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I HAVE ISSUE WITH. 
          SO, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO, RYAN, CAN I TALK TO RYAN OR, OR NICK'S HERE TOO. 
          UM, THINGS ARE CHANGING IN CALIFORNIA. 
          RYAN, COME ON UP JUST IN CASE YOU MENTIONED, UH, SP NINE. 
          AND THAT'S BASICALLY ANY TRACK OF HOME, ANY TRACK OR HOUSE, SINGLE HOUSE COULD ACTUALLY DIVIDE THAT LOT INTO TWO AND BUILD FOUR UNITS. 
          IS THAT CORRECT, RYAN? UH, GENERALLY THERE'S CRITERIA THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET IN ORDER TO DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ADUS, JUNIOR ADU, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE AS A CITY DID NOT WANT TO DO, BUT IT'S MANDATED BY THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. 
          JUNIOR ADU COULD BE, UH, I THINK IT'S 600 SQUARE FEET, I BELIEVE. 
          SO JUNIOR ADU IS LIMITED TO 500 SQUARE FEET, 500 SQUARE FEET, AND IT'S STILL ONE UNIT AND THEN IT, AN ADU IS ACTUALLY 800, UH, THE MAXIMUM IS A THOUSAND FOR A TWO BEDROOM A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. 
          SO WE, PART OF OUR GENERAL PLAN, WHEN WE ACTUALLY PUT IT TOGETHER, INITIALLY THERE WAS NO ADUS, THERE WAS NO JUNIOR ADUS. 
          SOMETHING NEW CHANGED A, IT'S 
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ACTUALLY SB 2011. 
          AND THIS IS A COMMERCIAL SITE, AND I'M BRINGING THIS UP BECAUSE THINGS ARE CHANGING IN CALIFORNIA. 
          SO ANY COMMERCIAL SITE IN CHINO HILLS, IF THEY WANT TO BUILD MULTI-UNITS, GUESS WHAT? THEY CAN DO IT. 
          THERE'S NOT A THING WE CAN SAY ABOUT IT. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW, GOLF COURSES, UH, THAT ARE OWNED BY CITIES, THEY'RE GOING THROUGH LEGISLATION RIGHT NOW TO ACTUALLY ALLOW THEM TO CLOSE DOWN THE GOLF COURSE AND BUILD UNITS. 
          SO MY CONCERNS ARE IF WE DO NOT, UH, EXTEND THIS PROJECT, THAT IS GONNA COME BACK TO US WITH MAYBE 48 UNITS OR EVEN MORE. 
          SO THAT REALLY SCARES ME. 
          BUT I DO GO TO WESTERN HILLS AND I, ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT HAVE IN THE PAST SAID TRAILER PARK, AND I DO APOLOGIZE BECAUSE IT'S MORE THAN A TRAILER PARK. 
          BEAUTIFUL. 
          I KNOW THAT I LOVE YOUR LOCATION, BUT WE DO NEED A LIGHT THERE. 
          AND IN 2018, I DID REACH OUT TO BARBARA THERE AT THE, AT THE, UH, THE ESTATES AND NOBODY WAS OUT HERE. 
          SO I WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING OUT HERE TODAY AND TELLING US THAT, HEY, WE NEED A LIGHT. 
          SO MY QUESTION TO NICK AND TO RYAN, CAN WE PUT A COVENANT ON THIS TO, TO MANDATE A LIGHT THAT A LIGHT DOES GO THERE INSTEAD OF, UH, DECELERATION OF ITS OWN? OKAY, THAT'S GREAT. 
          GOING IN, MAKING A RIGHT HAND TURN. 
          THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          THAT'S ONLY TAKING CARE OF PART OF A PROBLEM. 
          THE, THE PROBLEM IS GOING IN AND OUT BOTH WAYS, AND I THINK IS A LIGHT IS A BETTER OPTION. 
          SO MY QUESTION TO YOU, NICK, CAN WE DO THAT ON THIS? SO, UM, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, CURRENTLY, THE ACCELERATION AND DECELERATION LANES ARE, ARE MITIGATION FOR THE TRAFFIC IMPACT THAT THE PROJECT WOULD HAVE AT THE INTERSECTION. 
          AND SO, UM, IN APPROVING AN EXTENSION OF TIME, THE COUNCIL, UM, CANNOT CHANGE MITIGATION. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S REQUIRED. 
          UM, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT IF THE APPLICANT WAS ABLE TO WORK WITH CALTRANS TO GET A SIGNAL APPROVED AT THAT LOCATION, THAT UH, WE WOULD GO BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO REVISE THE MITIGATION. 
          UH, MY UNDERSTANDING ALSO IS THAT SIGNAL IS A MORE FEASIBLE MITIGATION MEASURE BECAUSE THE ACCELERATION DECELERATION LANES, UH, WOULD REQUIRE, UH, ACQUISITION OF RIGHT OF WAY. 
          AND SO THAT WOULD BE ACQUISITION OF PRIVATE PROPERTY, UM, FROM THE ADJACENT LANDOWNERS. 
          AND A TRAFFIC SIGNAL TAKES UP LESS ROOM, ESSENTIALLY. 
          AND, AND SO IT MAKES THAT MITIGATION, UH, MORE FEASIBLE. 
          BUT BECAUSE IT IS A MITIGATION MEASURE IN THE ORIGINAL E I R, UM, AND THE ITEM BEFORE THE COUNCIL AND MR. HENSLEY CAN, UM, CORRECT ME OR PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION. 
          BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS BECAUSE THE ITEM BEFORE THE COUNCIL IS AN EXTENSION OF TIME, UH, THE COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE THE OPTION TO CHANGE ENVIRONMENTAL GA ENVIRONMENTAL MITIGATION THAT WAS PRESCRIBED IN THE ORIGINAL E I R. 
          SO NICK, GOING BACK TO THAT, WHAT WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT, DIDN'T WE JUST ADD SOMETHING RECENTLY? UH, THE FIRE OVERLAYER, WHAT, WHAT'S THAT CALLED? THE, THE FIRE. 
          OH, THE FIRE PROTECTION PLAN. 
          THAT WASN'T PART OF THE ORIGINAL, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          UH, THERE WAS, UM, THERE WAS NO MITIGATION FOR THAT. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S NOT A CHANGED MITIGATION MEASURE IN THE EIR, BUT IT'S, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT AGREED TO DO, UH, OF THEIR OWN VOLITION IN, IN GOOD FAITH. 
          SO IF THEY WERE AGREED TO PUT A LIGHT IN GOOD FAITH, COULD WE DO THE SAME THING? UH, THE ONLY ISSUE WITH THAT IS THAT, UH, CALTRANS IS THE ENTITY THAT HAS TO APPROVE THE LIGHT. 
          SO, SO THEY, THEY COULD SAY, YES, WE WANNA APPROVE THE LIGHT, BUT IF CALTRANS NEVER ACCEPTS THAT, THEN WE, WE HAVEN'T REALLY ACHIEVED ANYTHING. 
          CAN WE DO A TIMELINE WHERE WE GIVE CALTRANS SIX MONTHS TO DO IT IN ORDER TO TO, TO PUT PRESSURE ON CALTRANS TO GET THAT DONE? UM, UH, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE MY EXPERIENCE. 
          MAYBE MR. BOBADILLA OR HAD SOME EXPERIENCE WITH THAT. 
          LEMME LOOK AT OUR ATTORNEY HERE. 
          WELL, UM, IF THE APPLICANT AND WE'RE BEING CREATIVE HERE, UM, WAS WILLING TO, UH, LET'S SAY THAT YOU WANTED TO SEND THIS BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND HAVE THEM LOOK AT THIS, UM, WITH THIS IDEA OF, OF, OF CHANGING OUT SOMETHING, UM, AND, AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL IN SIX MONTHS WHILE THIS WAS REVIEWED AND THE APPLICANT WAS OKAY WITH THAT AND NOT GETTING AN ANSWER ON THE EXTENSION, BUT BY NOT, NOT TAKING ACTION, THAT WILL DEFACTO EXTEND THE MAP OUT FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME. 
          IF YOU WANTED TO SEND THIS BACK AND HAVE SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT IT AND SEE IF WE COULD WORK WITH CAL TENS. 
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NOW THIS IS WHERE REALLY, IT, IT, DANIEL, I DON'T KNOW HOW QUICKLY CALTRANS WILL, AND I DON'T WANNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT I MEAN, HOW QUICKLY ARE THEY GONNA REALLY RESPOND TO THESE KIND OF CONVERSATIONS? YEAH, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA SPEAK ON BEHALF OF CALTRANS, BUT, UM, IT, IT WOULD TAKE MORE THAN SIX MONTHS TO BE ABLE TO DO A STUDY AND, UM, UH, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR A SIGNAL. 
          UH, I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS IN THE PAST ABOUT A SIGNAL AT THIS INTERSECTION. 
          UM, BUT WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS PERHAPS IF, IF THAT IS, UH, AN ITEM THAT WANTS TO BE, THAT YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THAT'S PART OF THIS PROJECT, IT WOULD BE TO, TO WORK WITH THE CALTRANS AND SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, CALTRANS IS WILLING AT, AT LEAST WILLING TO DISCUSS AND, AND, UM, UH, SEE THE, THE FEASIBILITY OF A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THAT LOCATION. 
          I BELIEVE THAT INTERSECTION IS ONE OF A SMALL HANDFUL OF INTERSECTIONS THAT ARE ON AT LEAST A LIST THAT CALTRANS HAS AS POTENTIAL SITES. 
          NOT THAT WE, WE WOULD REQUEST ALL OF 'EM TO GO IN, BUT WE DO, WE'VE ALL CHANGED OUR MINDS. 
          WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT, KEN, EVEN WITH THE BOARD, KEN, THAT IN THE OLD DAYS NO LIGHTS IN CARBON CANYON. 
          HOW COULD YOU DO THAT? THE MORE WE'VE LEARNED, THE MORE WE REALIZE YOU NEED GAPS TO BE CREATED FOR PEOPLE TO GET OUT OF THEIR STREETS. 
          SO WE'RE ACTUALLY, I KNOW RAY AND I ARE, BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT ADVOCATES FOR AT LEAST ONE LIGHT IN CARBON CANYON SOMEWHERE, TWO LIGHTS OR TWO. 
          WELL, THAT'S WHY I SAID AT LEAST ONE LIGHT. 
          AT LEAST ONE LIGHT. 
          UM, IF I CAN FINISH. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, I JUST WANNA SAY, UM, SAFETY OF CARBON CANYON IS IMPORTANT. 
          SO WE INITIATED TRUCK RESTRICTIONS AND WE'RE ALMOST TO THE END. 
          SO WE'VE BEEN MAYOR, MYSELF AND THE COUNCIL HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROBABLY FOR ABOUT SIX YEARS WITH THE CITY OF BREA, BOTH COUNTIES AND NOW WITH CALTRANS. 
          SO WE'RE REALLY CLOSE THERE. 
          UM, EVEN ON THE SNS THERE'S SOME MITIGATION, UH, THINGS THAT WE'LL BE MOVING FORWARD ON THAT. 
          THE SNS, UM, ALSO THE SAFETY AND CARBON CANYON. 
          THERE'S TWO ROADS TO GO OUT IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY. 
          CANNON LANE IS ONE, WE CAN OPEN THAT UP, IS THAT CORRECT, ROD? AND THEN ALSO VALLEY SPRINGS ROAD IS ANOTHER. 
          SO DURING AN EMERGENCY, IF WE NEED TO GET OUTTA CARBON CANYON FOR SOME REASON, WE NEED MORE THAN ONE WAY TO GET OUT. 
          THERE'S OTHER WAYS THAT ARE THERE, AND WE'RE WORKING OUT A POLICY THAT WILL BE, UH, FINALIZED AND HOPEFULLY IN THE NEAR FUTURE, BUT WE DO HAVE THE OPTION TODAY TO OPEN IT UP IF WE DO HAVE A FIRE. 
          IS THAT CORRECT, ROD? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          BOTH POLICE AND FIRE HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE GATES AND CAN OPEN THOSE GATES IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          AND, UH, THANK YOU, RYAN. 
          THANK YOU, NICK. 
          OKAY. 
          CYNTHIA WAS UP NEXT. 
          I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR MARK. 
          I, IT'S KIND OF THE SAME THING THAT RAY ASKED, BUT SO, SO LEGALLY IF WE GRANT AN EXTENSION TO THE APPLICANT, CAN WE PUT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL ON THAT EXTENSION? UM, NO. 
          FOR THE REASONS THAT, THAT NICK EXPLAINED, NO, I I WOULD SAY, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF FINANCIAL MOTIVATION FOR THE DEVELOPER TO WANT TO PUT A SIGNAL THERE AS OPPOSED TO THE BIG DE DECELERATION AND ACCELERATION LANG. 
          I MEAN, JUST FROM A, THE COST AND AND TIME INVOLVED IN THAT. 
          BUT, BUT THAT'S NOT A GUARANTEE THAT THEY WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, GO THAT DIRECT. 
          THEY WOULD GO THAT DIRECTION, BUT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF MOTIVATION FOR THEM TO ATTEMPT TO GET THAT DONE. 
          HEY, BRIAN. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY I'VE BEEN IMPRESSED WITH THE APPLICANT. 
          I THINK YOU'VE BEEN IMMUTABLE THROUGHOUT THE YEARS TO LISTENING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND HEARING US, AND HOPEFULLY THEY'RE TAKING NOTES FROM WHAT THEY'RE HEARING TONIGHT. 
          AND I JUST, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS JUST ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, AS CYNTHIA BROUGHT UP, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK SOME OF THE INFORMATION IS STALE, YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC STUDY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN THE CANYON, CAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT COMING FORWARD. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK YEAH, A TRAFFIC LIGHT, YOU KNOW, AT, IF WE CAN GET THERE AT SOME POINT, I THINK WOULD CERTAINLY BE, I MEAN, OR IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, YES, I, I SPENT 14 YEARS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          THIS THING WAS BEING DISCUSSED AT MY TAIL END OF, OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND I CAME ON COUNSEL IN 2008. 
          SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROPERTY. 
          UH, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE COMMUNITY OF, UH, WESTERN HILLS MOBILE ESTATES. 
          UH, I HAVE A PERSONAL FRIEND THAT I WORKED WITH THAT ACTUALLY BOUGHT LOT 19 IN THERE, UH, UH, SO RECENTLY AND MAYBE WITHIN THE LAST YEAR, I WENT UP AND LOOKED AT IT. 
          I LOVE THAT COMMUNITY. 
          PROBLEM IS THERE'S NOT ENOUGH UNITS. 
          YOU CAN'T GET ONE IN THERE. 
          UH, I CONSIDERED IT EXCEPT THEN I HAVE TO MOVE OUTTA MY DISTRICT. 
          SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT THINGS ABOUT THAT COMMUNITY. 
          I'VE ALSO PLAYED GOLF A LOT AT, AT WESTERN HILLS AND WILL BE, AGAIN IN A, A COUPLE WEEKS. 
          IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO GET OUT OF THERE. 
          IT'S SCARY DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF DAY, UH, INGRESS OR DIGRESS, YOU CAN GET RUN OVER TRYING TO SLOW DOWN TO GET INTO THAT COMMUNITY. 
          UH, TRYING TO 
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GET OUT AND TURN LEFT DURING, UH, THE RUSH HOUR, COMING BACK, GOING EAST IS NUTS. 
          UM, I'M A REAL BIG BELIEVER IN PROPERTY OWNER'S RIGHTS. 
          UM, TYPICALLY I THINK I CAN REMEMBER MY PLANNING COMMISSION DAYS, I HATED EXTENSIONS THAT KEPT GOING ON AND ON AND ON. 
          WE'VE ALREADY GRANTED 10 AND A HALF YEARS OF EXTENSION ON THIS. 
          BUT GIVEN THE STATE OF THE ECONOMY, UH, DEVELOPERS GET THINGS APPROVED WITH A PIE IN THE SKY DREAM TO BUILD THIS PROJECT. 
          AND A LOT OF TIMES THE ECONOMY JUST WON'T GRANT THE, THE, UH, PROPER CONDITIONS TO BE ABLE TO BUILD SOMETHING AND SELL IT. 
          A GOOD EXAMPLE IS SOCAL CANYON, SOUTH END OF CHINO HILLS WITH ALL OF THE APARTMENTS. 
          THOSE WERE APPROVED BEFORE CITY HOOD BACK IN THE, UH, SPECIFIC PLAN DAYS. 
          THEY, SO APARTMENTS WEREN'T BUILT UNTIL FINALLY THERE WAS GONNA BE A, A ENOUGH BODIES TO BUY THEM, UH, OR RENT THEM IF THEY WERE TO GO AHEAD AND DO IT. 
          WHERE AM I GOING WITH THIS? I BELIEVE THAT A, THE EXPENSE OF DECELERATION ACCELERATION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YES. 
          UM, THAT'S CRAZY. 
          YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY HAVE THAT TO AN EXTENT RIGHT NOW, BUT IF YOU HAVE TO ACQUIRE PUBLIC LAND TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT FOR RIGHT OF WAY, THAT'S JUST IMPOSSIBLE. 
          THAT IS AN UNDUE BURDEN ON THIS, UH, DEVELOPER TO TRY AND DO THAT. 
          I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE IT WAS A PART OF THE MITIGATION. 
          I WAS GONNA ASK RYAN ABOUT HOW MANY CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL DEALT WITH THAT INTERSECTION, BUT WE'VE GOTTA DO SOMETHING TIMES HAVE CHANGED THE IMPACT, THE TRAFFIC STUDY, I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER EXTENDING THIS, BUT WITH SOME SORT OF CAVEAT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN TO ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPER, UH, TO GET BACK TO THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND OPEN UP FURTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH RESPECT TO WHAT'S GOING ON THERE. 
          WE ALSO HAVE LEWIS COMING IN AND IT'S JUST NOT GONNA MAKE ANYTHING ANY EASIER. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXACT POINT OF INGRESS AND EGRESS FOR LEWIS IS GOING TO BE OFF OF CARBON CANYON, BUT WELL, THAT PROJECT HASN'T BEEN APPROVED YET. 
          WELL, I KNOW, BUT YES, THE FACT THAT IT'S OUT THERE, AND I KNOW WE CAN, WE CAN TALK ALL DAY ABOUT WHAT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN, BUT THE FACT IS THE STATE'S PUSHING US TO BUILD HOMES, AND IF WE'VE GOT DEVELOPERS THAT WANT TO TRY AND BUILD THEM, UH, WE'RE GONNA BE PRETTY HARD PRESSED. 
          THERE'S CONDITIONS THAT ALLOW US TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE DEVELOPMENTS, AND IT'S VERY STRICT. 
          WE HAVE TO FIND SOME VERY EXTRE, EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES TO DENY ANY KIND OF DEVELOPER, UH, TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY. 
          SO WE'RE GETTING OFF A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, BUT IF WE CAN GO AHEAD AND SOMEHOW EXTEND THIS WITH THE HOPE THAT THE, AND WITH THE INSTRUCTION AND THE, THE CAVEAT THAT WE ARE GOING TO ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPER TO, UH, APPROACH CALTRANS ON THIS, GIVEN THE FACT THAT THERE'S NO CONDITIONS BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING MITIGATION MEASURE THAT'S ALREADY IN THERE, WHATEVER IT TAKES TO TRY AND GET THIS THING, EXCUSE ME, GOING FORWARD. 
          BUT WITH THE ADEQUATE PROTECTION THAT WE CAN SOMEHOW OPEN UP A DISCUSSION WITH CALTRANS ABOUT A SIGNAL AT THAT LOCATION, IT NOW REQUIRES IT MORE THAN WHAT WAS THE MITIGATION MEASURE BACK WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY IMPROVED IN 2009? THAT JUST DOESN'T WORK ANYMORE. 
          SO WHATEVER WE CAN DO AS A CITY TO AID THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, IT HELPS OUT THE MOBILE ESTATES COMMUNITY. 
          IT HELPS OUT EVERYBODY GOING THROUGH THERE. 
          I THINK THAT'S THE BEST POSITION WE CAN TAKE AND THE BEST DIRECTION WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD FOLLOW. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET THAT DONE. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          EVERYBODY HAD THEIR, THEIR SAY. 
          OKAY, THEN ONE DIRECTION OR THE OTHER LOOKING FOR A MOTION. 
          SORRY. 
          IS THERE A WAY TO GET DONE WHAT ART IS? CAN YEAH, WHAT, WHAT CAN WE DO WITH MARK IF, YOU KNOW, STAFF, ONE PURPOSE OF THIS PROCESS IS SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE PROVIDE INFORMATION TO THE COUNCIL AND THEN, UH, WE HEAR WHAT COUNCIL'S CONCERNS AND THOUGHTS ARE, AND SOMETIMES IN ADVANCE WE HAVE SOME IDEA WHAT THEY MAY BE AND WHATNOT OR WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. 
          AND SO LISTENING TO YOU, IF, IF THE MAJORITY OF YOU WOULD LIKE THE STAFF TO SEE WHAT WE CAN WORK OUT WITH THE DEVELOPER, UH, ABOUT THE ISSUE ON THE TRAFFIC AND THE TRAFFIC LIGHT, PERHAPS IF YOU WOULD HAVE US BRING THIS BACK IN TWO MONTHS, UM, SO WE COULD LOOK AT THE ABILITY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, THAT CONCERN, I THINK THAT THAT'S AN OPTION. 
          UM, OTHERWISE, UM, EITHER VOTE I GUESS TO APPROVE IT OR DENY IT. 
          BUT IF YOU, IF YOU GAVE US A COUPLE MONTHS WITH, UM, I THINK I'VE KIND OF AN UNDERSTANDING WHAT SOME OF YOU WERE 
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THINKING, BUT THAT'S AN OPTION. 
          I THINK WE ALL WERE THINKING THAT, SAY AGAIN? I THINK WE'RE ALL OVERTHINKING THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          GIVE HIM A COUPLE, LIKE A SIDE LETTER SAID IT IN DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT I THINK FUNDAMENTALLY WE'RE SAYING, CAN WE HEAR WHAT THE DEVELOPER SAYS? I THINK HE'S GOT SOME CONCERN ABOUT THIS. 
          SIR, DID YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING ABOUT COME ON UP. 
          YEAH, I APPRECIATE THE EXCHANGE BETWEEN ALL OF YOU AND I AGREE WITH YOU, MR. MAYOR, THAT BACK WHEN WE WERE HERE IN 2009, THERE WAS NO OPTIONS FOR A SIGNAL, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH CALTRAN THAT TIME HAD EVEN RECOMMENDED IT. 
          BUT I KNOW THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE DIDN'T WANT ANY SIGNALIZATION ALONG CARBON CANYON ROAD. 
          WE ALWAYS FELT THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT THING FROM A CALMING EFFECT FOR TRAFFIC AND, UH, SAFETY MEASURES. 
          SO TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN WORK WITH CALTRANS AND IF IT NEEDS TO BE RECONDITIONED AS A CITY ATTORNEY IS INDICATED BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION, WHATEVER WE CAN DO, AS WE'VE CONTINUED TO DO WITH THE COVENANT THAT WE'VE ALREADY PROVIDED, WE WILL MOVE DILIGENTLY TO WORK THAT OUT. 
          AND I DON'T BELIEVE THE CALTRANS, BASED ON THEIR PREVIOUS RECOMMENDATIONS, SHOULD HAVE REALLY ANY MAJOR ISSUES WITH FACILITATING THAT. 
          BUT WE'LL WORK WITH THAT. 
          ANIL MORRISON, OUR PROJECT MANAGER ENGINEER, IS HERE WITH ME THIS EVENING, SO HE'S TAKING NOTES AND WE'LL GET IT GOING. 
          SO OUR GOAL WOULD BE IS TO GIVE US THE TWO YEARS THAT WE'VE ASKED, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA NEED, BUT WE'LL EXPEDITE ALL THE OTHER THINGS. 
          AND IF WE NEED TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE DEC DECELERATION LANE, WE WILL AND PAPER IT CORRECTLY SO THAT IT ALL COMPLIES WITH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE, THE MAPPING PROCESS. 
          SO THAT'S, I JUST WANTED TO HELP MAYBE GUIDE YOU IN THAT REGARD. 
          OKAY. 
          MAY OR MAY I ASK A QUESTION? UM, WOULD YOU BE OKAY IF THE COUNCIL WANTED TO BRING THIS ITEM BACK FOR DISCUSSION IN TWO MONTHS WHILE WE HAVE A FURTHER COMMUNICATIONS ABOUT THIS ISSUE? WELL, THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT WITH OUR TWO YEAR EXTENSION THAT WE NEED, WE'RE GONNA BE EXPENDING SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF RESOURCES, YOU KNOW, TO DATE ON THE PROJECT, THERE'S BEEN ABOUT $3 MILLION SPENT, YOU KNOW, FROM THE BEGINNING GOING BACK TO 2009. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING AT SIGNIFICANT DOLLARS AND TO GO AHEAD AND TURN ALL THE CONSULTANTS, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO ADVANCE ALL THAT WE WOULD WANT THE TIME, WE'RE HAPPY TO COME BACK AND REPORT OUR UPDATE, BUT WE NEED THE TIME. 
          YOU, YOU ARE RIGHT. 
          AND I THINK, UH, COUNCILMAN BENNETT, YOU, YOU ARE INDICATING IT WOULD BE UNREALISTIC TO TRY TO PROBABLY ACCOMPLISH ALL THE UH, RIGHT OF WAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO WE AGREE WITH ALL THAT. 
          SO WE ARE ALL IN TO TRY TO GET THAT TRAFFIC AND WE WANT IT TO BE A VERY GOOD PROJECT AS WELL, YOU KNOW, FOR NOT ONLY THE FOLKS IN THE, YOU KNOW, BEHIND US, YOU KNOW, WITH THE MODULAR HOUSING, BUT THE, UM, UH, OUR PROJECT AND IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE, MAYBE THE WESTERN HILLS IS GONNA HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL HOUSING, UH, AS WELL. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE PART OF THE TEAM. 
          WE, WE WANNA BE PART OF THE SOLUTION, NOT PART OF THE PROBLEM. 
          YEAH, I THINK YOUR COMMENT WITH THE FACT THAT CALTRANS HAS, WAS RECOMMENDING THE SIGNAL BACK THE, IN THE DAY, IF WE HAVE DOCUMENTATION ON THAT AND CORRESPONDENCE DEALING WITH THAT, THAT MAY VERY WELL OPEN THE DOOR AND MAKE THE DIALOGUE START WITH THEM A LITTLE BIT EASIER. 
          SO, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S ENCOURAGING THAT THEY RE RECOMMENDED IT THEN, SO WHY WOULDN'T THEY NOW WHEN CONDITIONS ARE WORSE, WE CAN MAKE THAT A PRIORITY FOR DISCUSSION WITH CALTRANS. 
          YEAH, YEAH, FOR SURE. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO HELP DO THAT. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE ALL IN TO, TO FACILITATE THAT, BUT WE CAN'T, I CAN'T GET CUT OFF TO SAY, LET'S SEE WHAT YOU CAN DO IN 60 DAYS AND THEN COME BACK AND WE'LL SEE IF WE'LL EXTEND YOU FOR ANOTHER 22 MONTHS. 
          I KIND OF NEED THE TWO YEARS AND I'VE, YOU KNOW, COMMUNICATED THAT PRETTY CONSISTENTLY WITH THE PLAN COMMISSION AND THEY UNDERSTOOD IT AND WE HOPE THAT WE CAN CONTINUE ON IN THAT LEVEL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          BRIAN, YOU WERE, YEAH, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK I'M OKAY WITH GIVING THE TWO-YEAR EXTENSION. 
          I THINK IT LOCKS IN THE LOWER NUMBER OF UNITS, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS WE HAVE THE CAVEAT FROM THE APPLICANT THAT THEY'LL DO, YOU KNOW, THAT CITY STAFF AND THE DEVELOPER WILL, UH, DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE TO TRY TO GET THAT ITEM CHANGED FROM THE ACCELERATION AND DECELERATION LANES TO A TRAFFIC STUDY. 
          I'M FINE WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH IT. 
          THAT A MOTION I'LL, I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. 
          I'LL WAIT TILL SURE. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION. 
          SO BASICALLY WE'RE RELYING ON THE GOOD FAITH OF THIS APPLICANT. 
          LOOK AT THE INVESTMENT THEY HAVE IN THIS. 
          YOU THINK THEY'RE GONNA WALK AWAY FROM IT? NOT, I DON'T, I DON'T, DON'T. 
          WELL I THINK TO YOUR POINT, IT STILL HAD, WOULD, THIS STILL HAS TO BE APPROVED DOWN THE ROAD, CORRECT? I THOUGHT YOU HAD, I THOUGHT YOU HAD ASKED, HEY, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF WE EXTEND, EXTEND THE MAP, THE PROJECT STILL HAS TO COME BEFORE US. 
          CORRECT. 
          AT THAT POINT IT WOULD JUST BE FOR A FINAL MAP. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, BUT ANY, ANY CHANGE TO THE, UM, THE MITIGATION MEASURE WOULD NEED TO COME FORWARD, BUT YOU MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO, WELL, I'LL RESCIND IT AND I'LL RESCIND THE MOTION THEN SO WE CAN HAVE ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? 
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NO. 
          I MEAN, I CAN UNDER, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE POSITION OF THE APPLICANT HOW TWO MONTHS ARE CRITICAL, BUT I THINK WHAT'S HARD FOR ME, AND I WAS, THIS WAS LONG BEFORE I WAS EVEN ON COUNSEL AND YOU, YOU GUYS KNOW THE HISTORY OF IT, BUT I THINK WHAT'S HARD FOR ME TO, THE HARD PILL TO SWALLOW IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING PLEADED WITH FOR TWO MONTHS WHEN THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS. 
          SO I CAN SYMPATHIZE THAT IT'S GONNA COST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR, FOR TWO MORE MONTHS. 
          BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS. 
          AND YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M NOT GONNA FEEL, FEEL RUSHED WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE MIGHT HAVE, IF WE APPROVE IT TONIGHT, THEN WE HAVE, WE HAVE NOTHING. 
          WE HAVE, WE HAVE NO NOTHING, NO TEETH IN THIS THING. 
          IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE HONESTY OR THE INTEGRITY OF THE DEVELOPER. 
          WELL, AND I THINK, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO THREW WHAT AND THERE'S NOTHING AGAINST THE DEVELOPER. 
          CAUSE I KNOW THEY'RE SOLID. 
          I KNOW YOU'RE SOLID. 
          I'M JUST THINKING IN THE BIG PICTURE. 
          IT'S LIKE, IF, IF WE APPROVE THE EXTENSION WITH NOTHING IN WRITING. 
          WELL, AND I THINK TO THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, MARK WAS THE ONE WHO MENTIONED TWO MONTHS THERE. 
          I DON'T, WE DON'T REALLY EVEN KNOW THE RHYME OR REASON FOR TIMING FOR TWO MONTHS COULD BE THREE MONTHS. 
          I, I WAS LOOKING TO, IF THE COUNCILS LOOKING TO TRY TO PUT SOME TEETH OR FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THIS A MORE CONCRETE, UM, IT WOULD TAKE TWO MONTHS TO DO THAT. 
          I JUST WANTED SOME TIME TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER AND, AND TO WORK THROUGH IT. 
          I MEAN, MAYBE 30 DAYS WOULD BE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR A TWO MONTH EXTENSION FOR NOW. 
          IF, IS THAT AN OPTION? WE BASICALLY WOULD JUST BE EXTENDING THE PUBLIC HEARING OUT FOR TWO MONTHS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS DOES NOT HAVE TO GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          THAT'S WHAT JUST COMES BACK TO AND IT DOESNT STOP AND IT DOESN'T STALL THE PROJECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL TECHNICALLY DOESN'T GIVE THEM THE COMFORT LEVEL THEY WOULD LIKE OF KNOWING THEY HAVE TWO YEARS. 
          BUT THE UNDERSTOOD STAFF WILL CONTINUE TO BE EXTENDED WHILE YOU'RE MAKING THIS DECISION. 
          YEAH. 
          TECHNICALLY, TECHNICALLY THEY'RE ALREADY MORE THAN TWO MONTHS BEYOND THE CURRENT EXTENSION ANYHOW, CUZ THAT RAN OUT MAY 27TH, 2023. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND AGAIN, AND THE CONSIDERATION IS ABOUT SAFETY THINGS. 
          IT'S NOT THE INTEGRITY OF THE PROJECT. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S NOT WHETHER OR NOT WE KNOW THAT THE PROJECT'S APPROVED. 
          THIS IS FOR THE, FOR FURTHER SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS THAT EXIST NOW THAT DIDN'T EXIST 12 YEARS AGO, 13 YEARS AGO. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. 
          FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S GONNA BE A COST SAVINGS FOR THE DEVELOPER IF WE WAIT A COUPLE MONTHS AS FAR AS THE LANES PUTTING IN THE ADDITIONAL LANES, AND IT'S GONNA BE A LOT CHEAPER TO PUT A LIGHT UP. 
          SO MY QUESTION TO DANIEL, I KNOW WE'VE HAD MEETINGS WITH CALTRANS BEFORE, CAN WE SET UP A MEETING WITH THEM? I MEAN, THERE'S SOME SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT THAT MAYBE INCLUDE THIS TOO AND JUST SORT OF GET AN OPINION ON WHAT THEIR FEELINGS ARE. 
          DO IT WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS. 
          WE CAN CERTAINLY REACH OUT TO THEM. 
          UH, THERE'S NO GUARANTEES THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE AND WILLING TO MEET WITH US WITHIN THAT TWO MONTH PERIOD, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THAT ATTEMPT. 
          OKAY. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT. 
          I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT SURE. 
          THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO MEET WITH CALTRANS SURE. 
          WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS SPEAK YES, BOB, I, I APPRECIATE THE EXCHANGE AND I'M SORRY THAT I'M OUTTA ORDER IN TERMS OF THAT'S UP. 
          NO, NO, THIS IS TRYING TO PUT IN COMMENTS. 
          I APPRECIATE, UH, COUNCILMAN MORAN, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          I THINK THE REALISTICNESS OF TRYING TO GET WITH CALTRANS AND BE SEATED WITH THEM WITHIN TWO MONTHS, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA WANT TO REEVALUATE THE TRAFFIC STUDY. 
          THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS RE-UP UPDATED IN 2018. 
          NEIL AND I REVIEWED THAT EARLIER TODAY AND I KNOW RYAN'S FAMILIAR WITH IT. 
          UH, SO ACTUALLY THE TRAFFIC FROM 2009 TO 2018 IS ACTUALLY LESS IN 18 THAN IT WAS IN 2009, BELIEVE IT OR NOT. 
          AM I SAYING THAT RIGHT NOW? ON, ON THE, ON THAT, ON THE PEAK TIME. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'D BELIEVE THAT. 
          UM, NEIL MORRISON, UH, THE, THE ORIGINAL TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE IN 2008, AND THAT WAS PART OF THE E I R DOCUMENT IN 2018. 
          THE CITY HIRED IT TERRACE TO DO A SEPARATE TRAFFIC STUDY FOR CARBON CANYON ROAD. 
          THOSE NUMBERS ARE, ARE NOW 2018. 
          SO THOSE, THOSE HAVE BEEN UPDATED ALREADY. 
          SO WE CAN USE THOSE NUMBERS JUST AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT YOU'RE SAYING SOME OF THE TIMES WERE DIFFERENT. 
          YEAH. 
          SOME OF, SOME OF THE TRAFFIC ACCOUNTS ARE DIFFERENT. 
          UH, SOME OF THE INTERSECTIONS WERE ACTUALLY, UH, LOWERED A LITTLE BIT, BUT NOT MUCH. 
          YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL WAS ALWAYS ON THE TABLE CLEAR BACK IN 2008. 
          THE CITY CAME, CAME TO THE COUNCIL WITH THE MITIGATION THAT'S IN, IN THE EIR RIGHT NOW. 
          AND, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW IT WENT THROUGH. 
          BUT THE TRAFFIC SEGMENT WAS OFFERED IN 2008. 
          SO, I'M SORRY, JUST TO ASK MARK. 
          SO THE TWO MONTHS ISN'T NECESSARILY TO GET CALTRANS APPROVAL, IT'S FOR US TO WORK WITH THEM CORRECT. 
          DURING THAT TWO YEAR EXTENSION TO CHANGE THE TERMS OF THE COVENANT TO SAY, TO SEE IF WE CAN DO YOUR BEST WORK WITH CALTRANS TO CHANGE IT TWO ATTRACTIVE. 
          SEE IF WE CAN ACHIEVE THAT COMFORT LEVEL THE COUNCIL SEEMS TO BE LOOKING FOR. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANY HOPE THAT CALTRANS AND EVERYTHING WILL GET APPROVED MUCH. 
          THEY'RE WORKING ON THE BULLET TRADE . 
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BUT TO JILL'S POINT, WE WANTED TO DO THE SIGNAL BACK. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT BACK IN 2000. 
          YES. 
          DULY NOTED. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND ACTUALLY THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE HISTORY TO THAT, EVEN MORE SO. 
          AND PRIOR TO 2008, THE CITY DID A STUDY OF ALL THE IMPACTED INTERSECTIONS IN THE CITY OF CHINO HILLS. 
          NUMBER TWO ON THAT LEFT WAS CANNON DRIVE. 
          CORRECT? YEAH. 
          AND SO THERE'S A HISTORY OF WANTING SIGNALS ON CARBON CANYON ROAD AND IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WORKING WITH CALTRANS AND THE CITY TO GET, MAKE THAT HAPPEN. 
          OKAY. 
          I HEARD TO DO THAT. 
          WHATEVER CAPACITY WE CAN. 
          SO WE'RE HEARING A TWO MONTH BRING THIS BACK IN SEPTEMBER. 
          SO IT'D BE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE HEARING UNTIL YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SURE. 
          WHATEVER. 
          WE EITHER HAVE SEPTEMBER 12TH OR SEPTEMBER 26TH. 
          WELL, LET'S MAKE IT TO CLEAN TWO MONTHS FOR THE FIRST MEETING, SEPTEMBER 10TH. 
          WELL, WE'RE DE THE DARK AND SECOND MEETING OF AUGUST. 
          I KNOW. 
          SO, AND, BUT THAT'S NOT, WELL, THAT'S JUST A MEETING. 
          WE'LL, REWORKING IT'S NOT THE STAFF. 
          OKAY. 
          WHATEVER. 
          YEAH. 
          OR TWO MONTHS. 
          I, I'M JUST GONNA SAY THIS. 
          I THINK THIS IS AN UNNECESSARY DELAY. 
          WE'VE ALREADY, WE'RE AT THIS POINT WHERE IT'S GONNA TAKE HIM TWO YEARS TO GET THIS COMPLETED REGARDLESS. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THE DISCUSSION CAN HAPPEN MAYBE, MAYBE OR MAYBE NOT WITH CALTRANS WITHIN THE NEXT TWO, TWO MONTHS, BUT I THINK IT'S UN WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE RIGHT BACK HERE IN, IN SEPTEMBER ASKING TO EXTEND IT AGAIN. 
          SO MY INCLINATION IS TO EX TO AUTHORIZE AND AND APPROVE THE TWO YEAR EXTENSION TONIGHT. 
          THAT'S MY THOUGHT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT. 
          OKAY. 
          HE ALWAYS ENDS UP MAKING THE MOTION FIRST. 
          HE ALWAYS DOES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A SECOND. 
          NONE. 
          I KINDA WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOU GUYS IN THE CANYON SAY AS FAR AS JUST THOUGHTS ON THIS. 
          I, YEAH. 
          NO, I WON'T, NOT YET. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I, I'M JUST ALL ABOUT, UH, TRYING TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT WHAT MAKES SENSE. 
          SO. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          I MADE THAT. 
          SO WE WANT TO HAVE A MOTION TO PUSH THIS FOR TWO MONTHS THEN? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S A MOTION. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION. 
          I'LL SECOND. 
          I'LL SECOND. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CONTINUE THIS, THIS DISCUSSION UNTIL SEPTEMBER, THE FIRST MEETING OF SEPTEMBER. 
          AND THEN, UH, WE'LL REVISIT THIS AND YEAH, AND JUST FOR THE, JUST FOR THE VOTE TO CLARIFY. 
          YES. 
          I WAS SAYING LET'S SIMPLIFY IT AND GIVE 'EM THE FULL TWO YEARS. 
          IF I WOULD WILLING TO GIVE HIM TWO YEARS, I'LL GONNA VOTE FOR TWO MONTHS. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST, JUST FOR THE RECORD, . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WE'RE VOTING RIGHT NOW. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          FIVE ZERO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'LL SEE YOU IN TWO MONTHS. 
          CAN I CLARIFY WHAT TWO MONTHS THAT YOU WANTED TO HEAR FROM HER? WE, WE, CAUSE I, AS I SAID EARLIER, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET ANYTHING FROM CALIFORNIA IN TWO MONTHS. 
          WE MIGHT NOT EVEN GET AN APPOINTMENT WITH THE STATE IN TWO MONTHS. 
          THIS IS FOR OUR PEACE OF MIND. 
          SO THE CITY COUNCIL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK, BOB. 
          IF IT, IF IT'S AN INCONVENIENCE, YOU CAN TALK TO MARK ABOUT IT, BUT WE'LL, FINE. 
          THIS IS FOR US TO DO A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN WE'LL REVISIT. 
          WE'VE CONTINUED THIS MEETING, BUT IT JUST PAUSES OUR PROCESS OF CONTINUING TO WORK WITH OUR CONSULTANTS UNTIL WE HAVE CERTAINTY THAT WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA GET THE ADEQUATE, UH, TIME TO, YOU KNOW, ADEQUATE TIME AND UNDERSTAND TO GET ADEQUATE. 
          THIS HAS GONE ON FIVE YEARS SINCE 2018. 
          SO ANOTHER TWO MONTHS WE'RE, THIS IS, WE'VE ALREADY VOTED, SO IT'S NO, I UNDERSTAND. 
          I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET CLARITY, WHAT IS IT THAT WE NEED TO DO WITH STAFF AND STUFF IN THE NEXT TWO MONTHS TO GET YOU MORE COMFORTABLE TO GIVE US THE TIME. 
          BUT WHY DON'T WE TALK ABOUT THAT OFFLINE SINCE I THINK I THINK STAFF UNDERSTANDS WHAT THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION IS AND THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR IN MY OFFICE, CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE WILL REACH OUT AND HAVE COMMUNICATIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU'LL BE COMMUNICATING WITH THOSE TWO, WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR ON THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          WE DON'T EXPECT YOU TO GET AN ANSWER FROM CALTRAN. 
          NO. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELCOME. 
          OUR FINAL PUBLIC HEARING FOR TONIGHT. 
          WE HAVE ONE MORE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          IF ANYBODY WANTS TO LEAVE ON THIS PHASE, THIS IS A GREAT TIME TO LEAVE OR STAY BECAUSE YOU'RE ENTERTAINED OR EDUCATED. 
          YES. 
          BUT NOT PLEASE VOTE. 
          THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT AND EXPRESSING YOUR CONCERNS. 
          YEAH, WE APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU TO THE APPLICANT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THE NEXT PUBLIC 
          [23.  Accept revised report of delinquent water, sewer, and trash service charges and authorize staff to record delinquent water, sewer, and trash service charges as assessment to property owner on County tax roll]
HEARING IS TO ACCEPT REVISED REPORT OF DELINQUENT WATER, SEWER, AND TRASH SERVICE CHARGES. 
          THIS IS TO BE PRESENTED BY FINANCE STRUCTURE, BAHA. 
          GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. 
          YES. 
          UH, ITEM BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS REGARDING, 
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UH, CURRENT UTILITY DELINQUENCIES ON MAY 9TH. 
          COUNSEL ACCEPTED THE PRELIMINARY REPORT OF DELINQUENT UTILITY SERVICE. 
          CHARGES SET A PUBLIC HEARING FOR JULY 11TH AND DIRECTED STAFF TO MAIL NOTICES TO PROPERTY OWNERS ON THE LIST. 
          ONLY IF THEY ARE THE ACTIVE ACCOUNT HOLDER. 
          UH, ON MAY 19TH, STAFF MAILED 37 NOTICES AND PROVIDED A PAYMENT DEADLINE OF JULY 28TH. 
          ON JUNE 24TH AND JULY 1ST. 
          A PUBLIC NOTICE WAS PUBLISHED IN THE CHINO CHAMPION NEWSPAPER, UH, NOTIFYING ALL INTEREST PARTIES OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          AND THE NOTICE INCLUDED A LIST OF DELINQUENT ACCOUNTS AS OF JUNE 20TH. 
          ON JUNE 26TH, THE LIST OF DELINQUENT ACCOUNTS WAS MADE AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE. 
          AND ON JUNE 27TH, THE LIST OF ACCOUNTS WAS REDUCED TO SEVEN. 
          TWO OF THESE HAD AN ACTIVE PAYMENT PLAN AND WILL NOT BE SENT TO THE COUNTY UNLESS THEY END UP DEFAULTING ON THEIR PAYMENT PLAN. 
          THE RECOMMENDATION BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS TO ACCEPT THE REPORT, UH, THE REVISED REPORT OF DELINQUENT WATER, SEWER, AND TRASH SERVICE CHARGES AND AUTHORIZE STAFF TO RECORD THE DELINQUENT SERVICE CHARGES AT, AS, AS AN ASSESSMENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER ON THE COUNTY TAX ROLL. 
          THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. 
          I CAN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          KRISTA, ANY COMMENTS BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? NO, I JUST, I APPRECIATE KRISTA AND HER TEAM GETTING THIS, UH, PROCESS MOVING. 
          I KNOW RAY AND I, WHEN WE HAD OUR FINANCE COMMITTEE HAD, YOU KNOW, MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ALL WERE A LITTLE BIT BOTHERED BY THE FACT THAT WE HAD SOME, I'LL JUST SAY FREELOADERS, THAT HAD TAKEN CITY SERVICES,  CITY SERVICES, AND THE REST OF US THAT PAID OUR BILL WERE LEFT HOLDING THE BAG. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR GETTING THIS MOVING AND ACTUALLY GETTING IT ON THE PROPERTY TAX ROLL. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WITH THAT, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          DOES ANYBODY WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ITEM NUMBER 23? I DO NOT HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          BRING IT BACK UP HERE FOR DISCUSSION OR VOTE. 
          I JUST LIKE TO MOVE THE ITEM. 
          IF THERE ISN'T ANY OTHER COMMENTS, I'LL SECOND. 
          MOTION. 
          SECOND. 
          WE'RE GOOD. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          FIVE ZERO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THAT WAS NICE AND EFFICIENT. 
          MOVING ON, 
          [ PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER REPORT]
WE'LL MOVE OVER TO OUR PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICERS REPORT. 
          AND NICOLE. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR ROGERS AND GOOD EVENING COUNCIL STAFF AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. 
          JUST A FEW QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS. 
          OUR SUMMER CONCERTS AND MOVIE SERIES CONTINUES THIS WEEK. 
          UNDERCOVER LIVE WILL BE PLAYING A VARIETY OF TOP 40 HITS THIS WEDNESDAY AT 7:00 PM AT VETERANS PARK. 
          AND ADAMS FAMILY, TOO WILL BE SHOWING THIS THURSDAY AT 8:00 PM AT COMMUNITY CENTER. 
          AND WE JUST WANTED TO REMIND OUR RESIDENTS THAT THE CITY'S ONLINE UTILITY BILL PAY SYSTEM WILL BE TEMPORARILY OFFLINE FOR SCHEDULED MAINTENANCE JULY 20TH THROUGH 23RD. 
          DURING THIS TIME, UTILITY PAYMENTS CANNOT BE MADE ONLINE OVER THE PHONE OR IN PERSON. 
          CUSTOMERS MAY STILL SEND PAYMENT BY MAIL OR USE A DROPBOX LOCATED INSIDE THE GOVERNMENT CENTER PARKING LOT. 
          GOOD. 
          AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PI REPORT, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU SAID IT WOULD BE BRIEF AND IT IS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, 
          [ SAFETY UPDATES - Fire and Police]
MOVING ON TO OUR BATTALION CHIEF, JOE DESOTO. 
          WELCOME, UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR ROGERS, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL AND THOSE LISTENING TO THE REPORT. 
          MY NAME IS JOE DESOTO. 
          UM, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF CHINO VALLEY FIRE DISTRICT. 
          MY APOLOGIES FOR BEING FASHIONABLY LATE THIS EVENING, BUT, UH, DUTY CALLED AND IT HAS BEEN VERY, VERY BUSY. 
          UM, THIS LAST MONTH, IN FACT, UH, DURING THE 4TH OF JULY HOLIDAY, CHINO VALLEY FIRE DISTRICT PERSONNEL, ALONGSIDE WITH, UH, CHINO HILLS POLICE DEPARTMENT AND CHINO POLICE DEPARTMENT CONFISCATED 1,001, UH, THOUSAND 100 POUNDS OF ILLEGAL FIREWORKS AND SAFE AND SANE FIREWORKS FROM AREAS WHERE FIREWORKS ARE NOT ALLOWED. 
          CHINO VALLEY FIRE PERSONNEL RESPONDED TO THREE FIREWORK RELATED VEGETATION FIRES, SEVEN FIREWORK RELATED TRASH FIRES WITHIN THE DISTRICT. 
          AND CHINO VALLEY FIREFIGHTERS RESPONDED TO ONE FIREFIGHTER, OR EXCUSE ME, ONE FIRE RELATED INJURY ON 4TH OF JULY. 
          AS A RESULT, THERE WAS SEVERAL FIREWORK RELATED CYT CITATIONS ISSUED ON THE 4TH OF JULY. 
          CUBAN VALLEY FIRE DISTRICT IS CURRENTLY HOSTING A FIREWORK SAFE AND SURRENDER SAFE DEPO DISPOSAL EVENT, UM, THAT'S TAKEN PLACE ACROSS THE STREET OVER AT ADMINISTRATION OFFICE THAT ENDS ON JULY 14TH, THAT PUBLIC AND SURRENDER FIREWORKS WITH NO PENALTIES. 
          AND THE ADDRESS IS, UH, 14 0 1 1 CITY CENTER DRIVE. 
          SO, LIKE I SAID, JUST ACROSS THE STREET OVER THE PAST MONTH, THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL, UH, INCREASE OF SMALL VEGETATION FIRES IN OUR JURISDICTION. 
          IN FACT, UH, TONIGHT I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO THREE OR FOUR GO OUT JUST IN THE GENERAL AREA WITHIN SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY. 
          UM, WE'RE EXPECTING A PRETTY, UH, SIGNIFICANT FIRE, WEATHER AND FIRE, UH, DANGER IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, WHERE IN THE PAST IT'S BEEN UP NORTH, IT SEEMED LIKE PRIMARILY. 
          AND THINGS HAVE BEEN GETTING A LITTLE THICKER, A LITTLE, UH, A LITTLE, A LITTLE DRIER, A LITTLE BIT 
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MORE DENSE, THIS AREA IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. 
          SO WE'RE KIND OF ANTICIPATING THAT IT COULD BE A VERY BUSY SEASON FOR US. 
          UM, EACH YEAR, HUNDREDS OF ACRES AND HOMES ARE DESTROYED BY WILDFIRES. 
          IF YOU DO LIVE IN A DESIGNATED FIRE HAZARD AREA OR ADJACENT TO A DESIGNATED FIRE HAZARD AREA, WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO PREPARE FOR WILDFIRES WITH THE READY, SET, GO. 
          UH, THE READY, GET READY BY CREATING A DEFENSIBLE HOME. 
          UH, GET SET BY HAVING A PLAN AND PREPARING YOUR FAMILY AND GO EARLY. 
          SO YOU GIVE YOUR FAMILY THE BEST CHANCE OF SURVIVING A WILDFIRE. 
          AND SO, UH, BEST REGARDS FOR A SAFE SUMMER. 
          AND THAT'S THE END OF MY REPORT. 
          GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS, FIRE. 
          ALL RIGHT, CHIEF OF POLICE, GARTH GOODELL. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MAYOR ROGERS, VICE MAYOR MORAN COUNSEL, CITY STAFF AND RESIDENCE. 
          I'LL JUST GO OVER A FEW, UH, SIGNIFICANT CALLS. 
          ON MONDAY, JULY 3RD, DEPUTIES CONTACTED RICARDO HERNANDEZ UNRESPONSIVE WITH HIS VEHICLE IN GEAR AT THE INTERSECTION OF GOLD SHADOW AND FOREST SPRING. 
          WHEN DEPUTIES ARRIVED, HERNANDEZ HAD A LARGE KNIFE ON THE SEAT NEXT TO HIM, AND DEPUTIES WERE ABLE TO WAKE HERNANDEZ UP INSIDE HIS VEHICLE AND LOCATED A, A METHAMPHETAMINE PIPE AND METH. 
          UH, IN HIS LAP, HERNANDEZ WAS ARRESTED FOR POSSESSION OF NARCOTICS AND TRANSPORTED TO JAIL. 
          ON THURSDAY, JULY 6TH, DEPUTIES RESPONDED TO A CALL OF TWO SUBJECTS AT APPROXIMATELY 4:00 AM CHECKING MAILBOXES. 
          DEPUTIES CONTACTED STEPHANIE PADILLA AND MARTHA VIA, WHO HAD OVER 75 PIECES OF STOLEN MAIL IN THEIR POSSESSION, ALONG WITH UNITED STATES POSTAL KEYS. 
          BOTH SUBJECTS ARE CURRENTLY ON FELONY PROBATION AND BOTH HAD WARRANTS FOR THEIR ARREST FOR OUTSTANDING WEAPONS CHARGES. 
          BOTH FEMALES WERE ARRESTED AND TRANSPORTED TO JAIL. 
          I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK, UH, VICE MAYOR MORAN FOR THE INVITATION FOR SOME OF OUR PATROL DEPUTIES TO ATTEND A YOUTH FOOTBALL CAMP AT CHINO HILLS HIGH SCHOOL. 
          UM, I KNOW WE SENT SOME PEOPLE OVER, UH, AT THE BEGINNING OF THAT CAMP EARLY IN THE MORNING, AND NEAR THE END IT ENDED ABOUT ONE O'CLOCK AND THEY HAD A LOT OF POSITIVE INTERACTION, UH, WITH EVERYBODY AT THAT, UH, CAMP. 
          SO I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU CHIEF QUESTIONS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I THINK THIS PROBABLY BE THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO BRING UP A DISCUSSION OR A QUESTION. 
          WE SAW AN ARTICLE IN THE, UH, UH, PAPER, I BELIEVE, UH, UH, OR, WELL, WE WERE NOTIFIED OF A POSSIBLE CHANGE IN PERSONNEL THAT, UH, OUR OFFICE. 
          CAN YOU COMMENT ON THAT AT THIS POINT? I KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS WILL BE MY, UH, LAST COUNSEL MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          DUE TO, UH, THE SECOND MEETING BEING CANCELED IN, IN JULY. 
          SO I'LL BE TRANSFERRING, UH, OVERSEEING, UH, SHERIFF'S TRAINING ACADEMY, EMERGENCY OPERATIONS, AVIATION AND EMPLOYEE RESOURCES. 
          AND THAT'LL BE EFFECTIVE. 
          UH, JULY 29TH. 
          WHAT WILL YOUR TITLE BE? CONGRATULATIONS, BUT WE'RE SAD TO SEE YOU GO. 
          IT'LL, IT'LL BE DEPUTY CHIEF. 
          SO I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE ONE COMMENT. 
          UH, I'VE BEEN WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT SINCE 1993, UM, BUT THE LAST 20 YEARS, NINE OF THE, MY LAST 20 YEARS I'VE SPENT IN CHINO HILLS, UM, AND ALWAYS HAD AN EXCELLENT WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH CITY STAFF COUNCIL. 
          UH, WORKED IN THREE POLICE STATIONS. 
          I'VE WORKED FOR NUMEROUS COUNCIL MEMBERS, DIRECTORS, THREE CITY MANAGERS. 
          SO THIS IS HOME TO ME. 
          SO I, I APPRECIATE THE RELATIONSHIP, UH, THAT WE HAD WITH, UH, CITY OF CHINO HILLS. 
          CONGRATULATIONS. 
          CONGRATULATIONS, ARD. 
          YEAH. 
          CONGRATULATIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          REAL BITTERSWEET FOR US. 
          WE'VE BEEN HAPPY TO HAVE YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          YOUR LEADERSHIP, UH, YOUR, YOU'RE HIGHLY RESPECTED, OBVIOUSLY BY THE, YOUR STAFF AND FEDERAL DEPUTIES. 
          AND, UH, BUT WE'RE VERY, VERY HAPPY FOR YOU AND PROUD OF YOU THAT YOU ARE, UH, BEING RECOGNIZED FOR YOUR SERVICE AND YOUR DEDICATION AND YOUR SKILLS. 
          AND THAT'S A GREAT PROMOTION FOR YOU. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA MISS YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, COUNSEL 
          [ COUNCIL REPORTS Mayor Rogers  	Chino Basin Desalter Authority Board   Vice Mayor Moran 	Southern California Association of Governments 	 		Energy and Environment Committee 	 	 Council Member Bennett  	Chino Valley Unified School District Board   Council Member Johsz  	Legislative Advocacy Committee   Council Member Marquez  	Omnitrans Board 	San Bernardino County Transportation Authority Board of Directors 	Southern California Association of Governments 	 		Regional Council 		Transportation Policy Committee 	 	 	State Route 91 Advisory Committee]
REPORT. 
          SO I WAS REVIEWING MY ONE REPORT, WHICH IS YOU BASIN DESAL. 
          IT WAS A BIG MEETING, A LONG MEETING, ALMOST EVERYTHING WE DID. 
          AGAIN, THIS CHINO DETER AUTHORITY OR CDA AND WE APPROVED A NUMBER OF CON UH, CONTRACTS FOR DIFFERENT CONSTRUCTION OR PLANNING FOR OUR TWO PLANTS IN, UH, IN OUR SYSTEM. 
          ONE'S IN CHINO, ONE'S IN HARPA. 
          IT PROVIDES WATER TO THE SEVEN ME MEMBER AGENCIES. 
          AND THEN LASTLY, WE, UH, APPROVED A, OUR, WE HAVE A GENERAL MANAGER, TOM O'NEILL, WHO'S BEEN IN THAT POSITION FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW. 
          AND THE LAST ITEM WE APPROVED WAS AN AMENDMENT TO HIS EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT, UH, WITH A RAISE AND ALSO AN AGREEMENT FOR A FIVE YEAR EXTENSION. 
          SO THAT WAS CDA. 
          AND MOVING ON THEN TO CYNTHIA. 
          A LOT OF PRESENTATIONS AT THE POLICY MEETING THIS TIME I DO HAVE SOMETHING TO TAKE AWAY. 
          SO WE HAD A PRESENTATION FROM A DISTRICT DIRECTOR FROM FEMA THAT I HAVE SOME HANDOUTS THAT I'M GONNA SHARE WITH OUR NEW EMERGENCY SERVICES COORDINATOR. 
          UH, RESOURCES FOR OUR CITY THAT WERE WILL 
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BE BENEFICIAL. 
          A LOT OF TIMES THESE PRESENTATIONS, UM, THE POLICY MEETINGS ARE NOT AS RELEVANT TO OUR COMMUNITY. 
          THEY'RE STILL VERY INTERESTING AND INFORMATIVE, BUT NOT A LOT OF STUFF THAT WE CAN REALLY APPLY HERE. 
          A LOT OF URBAN CITY, UH, PLANNING AND DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          BUT THIS WE CAN CERTAINLY, I CAN CERTAINLY SHARE WITH OUR STAFF. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YES. 
          FIRE BOARD, UH, EXCUSE ME, TRY AGAIN. 
          UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT, THEY WERE DARK LAST WEEK, SIMILAR TO US. 
          THEY HAVE ONE MEETING ONLY IN THE MONTH OF JULY. 
          THEY WILL NEXT BE MEETING ON THE 20TH. 
          UH, IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE AGENDA, THAT IS GOING TO BE A LARGE MEETING, POSSIBLY AT, UH, DON LUGO. 
          AGAIN. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING SO FAR. 
          BUT, UH, NOTHING TO REPORT ON THE LAST MEETING CUZ IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          GOOD JOB. 
          AND BRIAN. 
          WELL, OKAY. 
          UH, PETER AND I HAD OUR LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS COMMITTEE WHERE WE MEET TYPICALLY WITH OUR STATE AND FEDERAL LOBBYIST. 
          UH, WENT OVER THE GOVERNOR'S NEW BUDGET, UH, WITH THE, THE IMPACTS OF THAT WOULD BE DISCUSS THE NEW SPEAKER OF THE ASSEMBLY THAT'S COMING IN AFTER SPEAKER. 
          UH, RENDON, UH, LEFT THE OFFICE AND THEN JUST DISCUSSED, UH, THAT WE ARE SCHEDULING MEETINGS WITH, UH, OUR SCHEDULING. 
          YEAH. 
          MEETINGS TO FOLLOW UP WITH OUR NEW STATE SENATOR KELLY STO AND CONGRESSWOMAN NORMA TORRE. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE GOT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND, UH, RAY. 
          THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. 
          UH, FIRST, UH, COMMITTEE IS ACTUALLY OMNI TRANS. 
          WE APPROVED WEST VALLEY CONNECTOR OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF MONTCLAIR, ONTARIO AND POMONA, S B C T A. 
          WE APPROVED THE GENERAL COUNCIL EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT. 
          SO SHE'LL BE WITH US FOR NEXT, I THINK TWO OR THREE YEARS. 
          GIULIANI DOES A GREAT JOB COUNCIL, GOVERNMENT WORK PLAN, AND ESTABLISHMENT OF AN AD HOC COMMITTEE FOR HOUSING. 
          WE'LL BE DOING THAT NEAR FUTURE S SCAG REGIONAL COUNCIL, STATE AND FEDERAL LEGISLATIVE UPDATES. 
          WHAT WE DID WENT OVER THE REAP 2.0 PROGRAM. 
          WE'RE CALLING FOR APPLICATIONS, ARENA REFORM PROCESS UPDATES. 
          UM, NOBODY WAS REALLY HAPPY WITH RENA. 
          SO WE WILL BE REACHING OUT. 
          SCAG WILL AND, UM, HAVE SMALL MEETINGS TO TALK ABOUT ARENA REFORM, DRAFT SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA 2024 PERFORMANCE MEASURES. 
          WE WENT OVER THOSE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE, UH, NOTHING TO REPORT THERE. 
          STATE ROUTE 91 ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          WE WENT OVER THE DRAFT 2023 STATE ROUTE 91 IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. 
          UH, 2 41 TO THE 71 NORTHBOUND TO BE COMPLETED. 
          COMPLETED IN 2025, MID-APRIL. 
          THE COST OF THIS PROJECT WAS AT THE BEGINNING, ABOUT 120 MILLION. 
          WE'RE UP TO 137 MILLION IN COUNTING. 
          SO THOSE ARE MY REPORTS, SIR. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          [ COUNCIL COMMENTS]
OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO COUNCIL COMMENTS. 
          MARK. 
          NONE TONIGHT. 
          MA. 
          BRIAN? NO SIR. 
          JUST THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY THAT CAME OUT ON JULY 3RD. 
          YOU MAY BE ON A ROLL HERE, CYNTHIA. 
          NO. 
          GOOD NIGHT. 
          OH, PRESSURE COULD BE ON ME CAUSE I HAVE NONE. 
          ALSO. 
          NICE. 
          SO RAY, I GOT A FEW THINGS. 
          YEAH, WE THOUGHT SO. 
          IT TAKE ABOUT 20 MINUTES. 
          . 
          FIRST OF ALL, I MET WITH A GENTLEMAN, UH, DAN STEVENSON FROM RAND, UH, RANCON, EXCUSE ME. 
          HE'S THE FOUNDER AND CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD. 
          UM, I JUST SPOKE WITH HIM JUST BEFORE THE MEETING AND I'M VERY IMPRESSED WITH THIS INDIVIDUAL. 
          HE'S MET WITH ALL THE H HOA MEMBERS. 
          HE'S MET WITH, UH, INDIVIDUALS AT, UH, ANO. 
          HE'S, HE'S A NEW OWNER OF ANO GOLF COURSE. 
          AND, UH, HE REALLY IS ENGAGING THE COMMUNITY. 
          I'M REALLY PROUD OF THAT. 
          UH, WE, WE HAVE SOMEBODY LIKE HIM MOVING FORWARD ON THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, HE'S GONNA BRING A LOT TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          I THINK HE'S GOT A BIG, AN OPEN MIND. 
          YOU'RE GONNA LOVE HIM, ESPECIALLY WITH THE WINE. 
          SIR, I'VE MET EXPERT. 
          YOU ARE. 
          WE HAD OUR MEETINGS. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          YES, I KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, CITY MANAGER'S NOT HERE, BUT ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. 
          UM, I KNOW WE HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE SOUTH TOWER AND OPEN SPACE. 
          I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO IZE THAT TO FIND OUT IS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO DO IN THE FUTURE? BUT I'D LIKE TO HAVE A MAYBE MORE OF A CONVERSATION ON THAT IF, IF WE COULD, UM, CONGRATS TO OUR POLICE CHIEF. 
          WE'RE GONNA MISS YOU, SIR. 
          YOU'VE DONE A HECK OF A JOB. 
          I HAVEN'T REALIZED THAT YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR NINE YEARS. 
          OVERALL. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          NINE OF MY LAST 20 HAVE S SPENT IN CHINO HILLS. 
          WELL, THANK YOU SIR. 
          YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB. 
          APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK. 
          UM, FIRE STATION. 
          THIS IS KUDOS TO THE FIRE BOARD BACK THERE. 
          I GOT TO SPEAK TO SENATOR KELLY SERRATO OF THE, THIS AFTERNOON. 
          HE INFORMED ME THAT YOU GUYS GOT 6.5 MILLION, UH, THE MONIES THAT YOU DID NEED. 
          UH, JOSH NEWMAN, KELLY, ASSEMBLY MEMBER, CHIN ASSEMBLY MANAGER, UH, RODRIGUEZ ACQUIRED THOSE MONIES FOR YOU. 
          AND I DID TALK TO, UH, CONFIRM THIS. 
          I TALKED TO YOUR PRESIDENT, DAMCO AND THE FIRE CHIEF. 
          CONGRATULATIONS. 
          CAUSE I KNOW YOU GUYS WERE SHORT BY A LITTLE OVER $6 MILLION. 
          SO CONGRATULATIONS TOM. 
          AND THEN HOPE FOR THE HILLS. 
          HOPE 
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FOR THE HILLS. 
          TONIGHT IS THEIR 10TH ANNIVERSARY. 
          NO. 
          SO SEPTEMBER IS, IF YOU WANT TO GO BY AND GRAB A ICED TEA WITH ME, COME ON DOWN. 
          YEP. 
          THAT'S IT, SIR. 
          SO, JULY 11TH, 10 YEARS AGO IS WHEN THE P UH, C P U C DECISION CAME THROUGH TO, UH, APPROVE THE UNDERGROUNDING OF 3.5 OF THE FIVE MILES. 
          SO, AND SOME OF US WERE IN SAN FRANCISCO FOR THAT HEARING SOME, WE HAD A GREAT TIME. 
          YES. 
          IT WAS A GREAT HEARING. 
          YEAH. 
          SHOCKER. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL WE'VE HAD A LONG ENOUGH MEETING. 
          UH, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SIX O'CLOCK START? IT'S STILL LATE. 
          WE'RE DONE. 
          HEY, . 
          [ ADJOURN IN MEMORIAM AND IN HOPE:  Adjourn in tribute and honor of those who serve and have served in the Armed Forces at home and abroad. Their sacrifice and strength protect the goals and ideals that have made this Country great.]
SO WE WILL ADJOURN IN ME MEMORIA AND IN HOPE, ADJOURN AND TRIBUTE IN HONOR OF THOSE WHO SERVE OR AND HAVE SERVED IN THE ARMED FORCES AT HOME AND ABROAD. 
          THEIR SACRIFICE AND STRENGTH PROTECT THE GOALS AND IDEALS THAT HAVE MADE THIS COUNTRY GREAT. 
          AND WE ARE ADJOURNED UNTIL.
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