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[ 6:00 P.M. - CONVENE MEETING / ROLL CALL]
WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THE CHINO HILLS CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR OCTOBER 24TH, 2023.UH, WE'D LIKE TO CONVENE THE MEETING.
[ PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG]
JOIN US, I'M GOING TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, FOLLOWED BY FATHER JOSEPH FROM ST.PAUL, THE APOSTLE CATHOLIC CHURCH, WITH AN INVOCATION READY BEGIN ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[ INVOCATION: Father Joseph Pilotin, MS, St. Paul the Apostle Catholic Church]
IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON, AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.ALMIGHTY FATHER, YOU SEND YOUR SON JESUS CHRIST TO CALL US YOUR CHILDREN BACK TO YOU.
HE DWELT AMONG US TO WITNESS TO YOUR ENDURING LOVE FOR HUMANITY.
THAT DESPITE OF OUR SINFULNESS, YOU FORGIVE US FOR.
IF YOU OH LORD SHOULD MARK OUR GUILT, WHO COULD STAND, BUT WITH YOU IS FOUND FORGIVENESS.
WE ARE GRATEFUL TO YOU, LORD, FOR ALLOWING US TO LIVE AND TO USE OUR GIFTS IN ORDER TO BRING OUR PEOPLE TOGETHER TOWARD THE SAME GOALS OF PROGRESS, UNITY, HOLINESS, AND PEACE TEACH US TO SEE THAT OUR EARTHLY POWERS, OUR MEANT TO REFLECT WITH DIVINE AUTHORITY AND WILL LET US DISCOVER THAT EVERYTHING WE HAVE AND EVERYTHING WE ARE IS A GIFT FROM YOU, AND WE OUGHT TO GIVE THEM BACK TO YOU.
THIS IS WHAT YOU DESERVE, OUR FULL AND TOTAL DEDICATION TO YOU.
FATHER, YOUR SON, JESUS, IN THE GUARDIAN OF GODEM, PRAY FOR UNITY THAT WE SHALL ALL BE ONE AS YOU AND HIM ARE.
ONE IN THE MIDST OF CONFLICTS, DIVISION AND WAR EMPOWER US TO BE EXAMPLES OF UNITY.
HERE IN THE CITY OF CHINO HILLS, ALLOW US TO REMEMBER WITH ALL OUR HEARTS THE PRAYER OF PEACE, WHICH ST.
FRANCIS ESPOUSES, LORD, MAKE ME AN INSTRUMENT OF YOUR PEACE WHERE THERE IS HATRED.
LET ME SO LOVE WHERE THERE IS INJURY.
FAITH, WHERE THERE IS DESPAIR, HOPE WHERE THERE IS DARKNESS, LIGHT, WHERE THERE IS SADNESS, JOY, ALL DIVINE MASTER GRANT THAT I MAY NOT SO MUCH SEEK TO BE CONSOLED AS TO CONSOLE, NOT SO MUCH TO BE UNDERSTOOD AS TO UNDERSTAND NOT SO MUCH TO BE LOVE, BUT REALLY TO LOVE FOR IT IS IN GIVING THAT WE RECEIVE.
IT IS IN PARDONING THAT WE ARE PARDONED AND IT IS IN DYING.
THAT WE ARE BORN TO ETERNAL LIFE.
IN THE NAME, THE FATHER AND OF THE SON THE HOLY SPIRIT.
[1. PRESENTATION - Presentation of City Tile to Sean Phan for his service as Planning Commissioner from March 12, 2019 to September 5, 2023]
FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PRESENTATION OF A CITY TILE TO SEAN FAN FOR HIS SERVICE AS PLANNING COMMISSIONER FROM MARCH 12TH, 2019 TO SEPTEMBER 5TH, 2023.TONIGHT I'M PLEASED TO PRESENT THE CITY TILE TO SEAN FAN IN RECOGNITION OF HIS SERVICE AS A PLANNING COMMISSIONER FOR THE PAST FOUR AND A HALF YEARS.
DURING HIS TIME, SEAN CONTRIBUTED TO A LONG LIST OF KEY PROJECTS THROUGHOUT CHINO HILLS, INCLUDING THE INFUSION ZONE FAMILY ENTERTAINMENT CENTER, THE CITY'S FIRST HYDROGEN FUEL STATION, NEW, THE NEW CHINO HILLS BIZ PARK, COSTCO EXPANSION AND GAS STATION, RELOCATION AND PARADISE RANCH, AND SHADY VIEW RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS.
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WHILE THE LIST OF CONTRIBUTIONS GOES ON, ONE CERTAINTY REMAINS HIS CONSISTENT DELIVERY OF INSIGHTFUL FEEDBACK FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT PLAYED A PIVOTAL ROLE IN SHAPING THE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY.THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR SERVICE, SEAN, TO OUR COMMUNITY, AND WE WISH YOU AND YOUR FAMILY THE BEST AND YOUR FUTURE ENDEAVORS.
ALTHOUGH YOU'RE A RESIDENT HERE, WE MAY SEE YOU COME BACK AT SOME POINT.
ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY, WE ARE PROUD TO PRESENT YOU WITH A CITY TILE RIGHT HERE.
I'M GONNA PRESENT THIS TO YOU RIGHT NOW, AND WE'VE GOT A BOX FOR YOU LATER.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE CERTIFICATES OF RECOGNITION FROM CONGRESSWOMAN KIM, CONGRESSWOMAN TORRES, SENATOR STO, ASSEMBLY MEMBER CHEN, AND COUNTY SUPERVISOR KURT HAGMAN.
SO SEAN, IT'S BITTERSWEET TO SAY GOODBYE.
WE UNDERSTAND WORK TAKES PRECEDENCE AND FAMILY TAKES PRECEDENCE, AND WE, UH, AND YOU WORK IN LA SO WE GET THAT ALL SET.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS SURE, PLEASE DO.
UH, I THINK FIRST AND FOREMOST, UH, IT'S BITTERSWEET FOR ME.
UH, I THINK OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS, UH, IT'S BEEN A TREMENDOUS HONOR, UH, TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY, UH, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S BEEN A PRIVILEGE TO BE IN THE POSITION, UH, TO SEE HOW THE, UH, I GUESS CITY WORK INTERNALLY IN A WAY.
UH, AND I JUST WANT TO, AGAIN, JUST WANT TO EXPRESS MY THANKS, YOU KNOW, TO MAYOR ROGERS AND THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL, UH, FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY.
UH, YOU KNOW, MY ENTIRE LIFE, UH, EVER SINCE I GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE, YOU KNOW, HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR.
UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I TAKE PRIDE, YOU KNOW, UH, ON.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I I HAVE A STRONG PASSION ABOUT IT.
AGAIN, I THINK THE GO, YOU KNOW, IS, IS WHEN WE SERVE THE PUBLIC AND WE SEE THE COMMUNITY GROW AND YOU THRIVING.
TO ME, THAT IS THE MOST ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL THINGS THAT I, I, YOU KNOW, I ENJOY.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT FEED ME THE ENERGY, UH, TO GET UP, YOU KNOW, UH, EVERY DAY PUT IN THE HARD WORK.
BUT OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, IT IS, UH, GIVEN MY NEW ROLE AT WORK AND THEN THE, THE ADDITIONAL, UH, TWO YOUNG FAMILY MEMBERS, UH, IT, I THINK IT'S VERY DIFFICULT, YOU KNOW, TO FULFILL, TO CONTINUE WITH THE COMMITMENT.
UH, THEREFORE, AGAIN, I, UH, I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT TIME TO STEP AWAY, UH, SO THAT OTHER PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WHO HAVE THE TIME TO SERVE, UH, CAN BE, YOU KNOW, UH, IN THE POSITION, YOU KNOW, TO CONTINUE TO CARRY ON THE DUTY.
[2. PROCLAMATION - Proclaiming October 23 through 31, 2023, as Red Ribbon Week]
HAVE A PROCLAMATION PROCLAIMING OCTOBER 23RD THROUGH THE 31ST, 2023 AS READ RIBBON WEEK TO BE ACCEPTED BY DEPUTIES NOEL NEGRO, MATTHEW ACEVES, JACOB SERNA, AND CORPORAL STEPAN KESSLER.AND SERGEANT SHANNON LAU, WILL YOU PLEASE JOIN THE MAYOR AT THE PODIUM? YEAH, THE EIGHTEENS HERE.
YOU HAVE TWO EIGHTEENS AT LEAST.
SUBSTANCE ABUSE IS PARTICULARLY DAMAGING, UH, TO ONE OF THE MOST VALUABLE RESOURCES OUR CHILDREN.
THE THEME OF THIS YEAR'S RED RIBBON WEEK IS BE KIND TO YOUR MIND, LIVE DRUG FREE.
THE GOAL IS PROMOTE INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR LIVING A HEALTHY DRUG-FREE LIFESTYLE BUSINESSES, PARENTS, LAW ENFORCEMENT, SCHOOLS, AND THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY CAN DEMONSTRATE THEIR COMMITMENT TO A HEALTHY DRUG-FREE LIFESTYLE BY WEARING AND DISPLAYING RED RIBBONS.
THE CITY IS PROUD TO PARTICIPATE IN RED RIBBON WEEK TO HELP UNITE OUR COMMUNITY IN THE FIGHT AGAINST SUBSTANCE ABUSE.
SO, TO ACCEPT AS THE A TEAM HERE, WE'VE GOT A, UH, PROCLAMATION WHO WOULD LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS OR ALL OF YOU ARE INVITED TO SAY A FEW WORDS, YOU'RE CLOSEST
UM, ON BEHALF OF THE, UH, CHINOS POLICE DEPARTMENT,
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IT IS OUR HONOR TO ACCEPT THIS PROCLAMATION AND WE THANK THE CITY FOR, TO CONTINUE SUPPORT AND, UH, HELPING US IN ASSISTING US WITH THE CONTINUED EDUCATION OF OUR YOUTH AND, UH, DRUG AWARENESS AND, UH, GOOD, UH, DECISION MAKING, UH, ABILITIES THERE.[3. COMMEMORATION - Recognizing the Centennial of Sleepy Hollow (1923-2023)]
NEXT IS A COMMEMORATION, RECOGNIZING THE CENTENNIAL OF SLEEPY HOLLOW FROM 1923 TO 2023 TO BE ACCEPTED BY LINDA BRINEY AND VANCE STERN.WILL YOU PLEASE JOIN THE MAYOR AT THE PODIUM? HELLO, YOU TWO.
THE PARTY CONTINUES, HUH? YES.
SLEEPY HOLLOW IS THE OLDEST SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF CHINO HILLS DATING BACK TO 1923 WHEN CLEVE AND ELIZABETH PERRINGTON AND FOUR PARTNERS SUBMITTED A MAP TO THE COUNTY FOR THIS MOUNTAIN COMMUNITY.
SLEEPY HOLLOW IS PLANNED AS A DESIGNATION FOR WEEKEND VISITS THAT INCLUDED CABIN STYLE LOTS, A MINERAL SPRINGS RESORT, A COMMUNITY CHURCH, STORES, A GAS STATION, AND OTHER AMENITIES.
DECADES LATER, THE NEIGHBORHOOD KNOWN AS A SLICE OF HEAVEN IS NOW HOME TO MANY FULL-TIME RESIDENTS WHO DEVELOPED THEIR OWN DISTINCT SENSE OF COMMUNITY.
IN FACT, THERE ARE NOW 130 HOMES OF VARIOUS SIZES, SHAPES, AGES, ALL BUILT WITHIN THE HILLSIDES OF CARBON CANYON.
WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I'D ON BEHALF OF THE CITY COUNCIL, I'D LIKE TO OFFICIALLY COMMEMORATE OCTOBER, 2020 3, 19 23 TO 2023 AS THE HUNDREDTH ANNIVERSARY OF SLEEPY HOLLOW TO ACCEPT THIS COMMEMORATION, WE HAVE LONGTIME SLEEPY HOLLOW RESIDENTS, LINDA BRINEY AND FAN STEARNS, AND WE WERE INVITED YOU TO, WE KNOW YOU HAVE STORIES IF YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE A FEW STORIES.
VINCE, YOU'VE BEEN HERE YOUR WHOLE LIFE.
UH, WHY DON'T YOU TO KICK THINGS OFF AND WE'VE GOT SOME CERTIFICATES FOR YOU.
UH, THANK, THANK YOU PETER AND CITY COUNCIL FOR RECOGNIZING SLEEPY HOLLOW.
UH, MY HISTORY GOES BACK, UM, ABOUT 69 YEARS.
I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN SLEEPY HALL, LOW CARBON CANYON.
UH, I MOVED ABOUT A MILE UP THE ROAD, SO I'M TECHNICALLY NOT IN SLEEPY HALL, BUT I'M IN MOUNTAIN VIEW TRACK, WHICH IS ALSO, UM, I THINK IT WAS FOUNDED IN 19 23, 24.
UH, SAME THING WITH THE, ABOUT A HUNDRED YEARS IN THE SAME MOUNTAIN STYLE CABIN.
SO I JUST, I MEAN, IT GOES BACK AND I APPRECIATE MY, MY FAMILY AND MY KIDS THAT WERE RAISED HERE.
MY DAUGHTER, MY GRANDDAUGHTER'S HERE TONIGHT, UM, AND THEY ALL HAVE LIVED IN THE CANYON AND IT'S JUST A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE.
SO, AGAIN, JUST APPRECIATE THE RECOGNITION, SO THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT, LINDA, HONOR, UH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU MAYOR AND AND COUNCIL.
UM, IT'S QUITE EXCITING ACTUALLY.
IT'S, WE, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CELEBRATIONS THIS PAST WEEK AND, UH, A LOT OF STORIES SHARED, SO IT IS A GREAT PLACE TO GROW UP AND LIVE AND RAISE OUR CHILDREN.
ONE OF MY SONS AND, AND DAUGHTER-IN-LAW ARE HERE AS WELL TONIGHT.
LINDA, YOU WANT, YOU WANT ME TO, I'LL
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OKAY.WE'RE GOING TO CALL AN AUDIBLE AND MOVE ONE OF THE AGENDA ITEMS FORWARD TO, UM,
[10. Consideration and possible action to remove Bob Goodwin from position as Public Works Commissioner and if removed, direct City Clerk to publish Notice of Vacancy for unscheduled vacancy in accordance with Government Code Section 54974]
TO DISCUSS.SO IF, UH, CHERYL, IF YOU CAN TAKE IT FROM THERE.
I'LL ITEM NUMBER 10 IS THE CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO REMOVE BOB.
BOB GOODMAN, GOODWIN, EXCUSE ME, FROM POSITION AS PUBLIC WORKS COMMISSIONER, WE HAVE SEVERAL SPEAKER CARDS FOR THIS ONE.
AND, UM, CITY MANAGER MONTGOMERY WILL PROVIDE THE REPORT.
UH, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL RESIDENTS, UH, IN, UH, THE AUDIENCE TODAY.
UH, THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS, UH, THE PROCESS WHEREBY THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, CAN, UH, REMOVE A SEATED COMMISSIONER FROM THEIR POSITION.
UH, TO GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND, UH, TYPICALLY A COMMISSIONER IS, UH, UH, NOMINATED BY A MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
UH, AND THEN THAT NOMINATION IS BROUGHT BEFORE THE COUNCIL, UH, FOR THE APPOINTMENT BY THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL.
UH, SHOULD THE BODY OF THE COUNCIL, THE FIVE MEMBERS DECIDE THAT THEY WANT TO CONSIDER REMOVING A COMMISSIONER, UH, THAT ACTIONS TAKEN IN A PUBLIC MEETING LIKE THIS, UH, DISCUSSION ENSUES AND THEN A VOTE WILL PROCEED AS TO WHETHER OR NOT, UH, TO REMOVE THE COMMISSIONER WHAT, UH, AND, UH, INITIATE A NEW, UH, UH, RECRUITMENT OR SELECTION PROCESS.
SO, UH, FOR TONIGHT, THAT'S THE ITEM BEFORE YOU AND AS, UH, THE CITY CLERK POINTED OUT, WE HAVE, UH, SEVEN OR SO, UH, REQUESTS TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM.
ALRIGHT, SO BEFORE WE GET TO OUR SPEAKERS, ANYBODY WISH TO SAY ANYTHING BEFORE WE GET TO OUR SPEAKERS? ALRIGHT, LET'S DO, SO OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS DANA LAMB
I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT FOR 35 YEARS OF CHINO HILLS.
A FEW YEARS AGO, MEMBERS OF THE LOCAL 55 PLUS CLUB WANTED TO CREATE A MONUMENT, RECOGNIZING THE HIGH, THE HISTORIC IMPACT AND SACRIFICE THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE MILITARY MADE FOR OUR COUNTRY.
THE MONUMENT WAS BUILT THROUGH FUNDRAISING AND THE CONTRIBUTIONS MADE BY OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS RAISING $66,000 WITHOUT THE USE OF TAXPAYER MONEY.
I BELIEVE THIS WAS AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE OF BEING FISCALLY RESPECTFUL OF OUR TAXPAYER'S MONEY, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, A CLEAR AND HONEST INDICATION OF THE LEVEL OF COMMUNITY SUPPORT FOR A WORTHY PROJECT.
CONVERSELY, THE CURRENT EFFORT BY SOME MEMBERS OF OUR CITY COUNCIL TO BUILD A MAYOR'S WALL HAS CREATED BOTH CONTROVERSY AND RESENTMENT ON THE PART OF A PORTION OF OUR CITIZENS.
IN ADDITION, THERE ARE SOME WHO FELT THAT MOVING AHEAD WITH THE PROJECT, EVEN AFTER LEARNING ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANT EXPENSE, INDICATED RELUCTANCE BY SOME MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL TO LISTEN TO THEIR CONSTITUENTS PROTESTS AS A RESULT OF THIS ISSUE.
I WATCHED THE VIDEO OF THE RECENT COUNCIL MEETING WHERE BOB GOODWIN AND GREG SALKI SPOKE AS CHINO HILLS, CITIZENS OF CHINO HILLS, ABOUT THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT THE MAYOR'S WALL.
I SAW THAT SOME OF THE COUNCIL WERE OFFENDED BY THE ACCUSATION THAT THE MONUMENT WAS AN ACT OF NARCISSISM AND VIGOROUSLY DENIED THIS OPINION.
BUT THE SUBSEQUENT ACTIONS OF THE COUNCIL TO DOUBLE DOWN AND PUNISH MR. GOODWIN BY STRIPPING HIM OF HIS ABILITY TO CONTINUE WORKING AS A COMMISSIONER, DUE TO HIS CONTESTING THE PROJECT VALIDITY IN MY MIND, SEEMED TO PROVE HIS POINT.
NOW, I WAS CURIOUS AND FOUND THAT OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PAID $1,108 A MONTH.
HAVE A CAR ALLOWANCE OF $500 A MONTH, RECEIVE $1,659 A MONTH FOR HEALTH INSURANCE, GET AN A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS LIFE INSURANCE POLICY AND A CELL PHONE.
THESE FIGURES DEMONSTRATE THAT NO ONE GETS RICH BY BEING A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER IN ANY CITY.
BUT THE CURRENTS COUNCIL COMPENSATION CLEARLY IS NOT MUCH.
BUT BOB GOODWIN, THE GUY THAT SOME OF YOU ARE TRYING TO DUMP BECAUSE HE DISAGREED WITH YOU PUBLICLY ON THIS MAYOR'S WALL.
WELL, HIS COMPENSATION AS COMMISSIONER IS $75 A MONTH, NO CAR ALLOWANCE, NO CELL PHONE, AND NOT EVEN A CHINO HILLS COFFEE MUG.
PERHAPS YOU'RE INUNDATED WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS BAITING DOWN YOUR DOORS, TRYING TO WORK AS VOLUNTEERS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY.
GOOD FOLKS THAT WILL WORK HARD BUT NEVER ALLOWED TO QUESTION THE CITY COUNCIL'S APPROACH.
YOU MAY SUDDENLY FIND THAT THERE ARE A FEW PEOPLE WILLING TO, WILLING TO GIVE UP THEIR RIGHT TO BE HEARD AND EXPRESS THEIR OPINION FOR THAT SAVE $75 A MONTH.
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AND BY THE WAY, HE'S ALSO THE SAMEAND FOR FOUR YEARS TOOK BUSLOADS OF OUR NEIGHBORS FROM MALIBU TO IRVINE AND SACRAMENTO TO SAN FRANCISCO TO DEMONSTRATE AND CONFRONT THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION AND THE SCE MANAGEMENT AND HELPED WIN 10 YEARS AGO.
AND HE DIDN'T GET PAID FOR ANY OF THAT EITHER.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS DONALD FOSTER.
IN MY OPINION, I BELIEVE BOB GOODWIN IS AN AMERICAN PATRIOT.
HE'S A CHERISHED CHINO HILL RESIDENT.
I AM REQUESTING THAT YOU DROP THIS ISSUE IMMEDIATELY.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS CHRIS VAN.
I DON'T DO THIS, SO IT MEANS A LOT THAT I'M UP HERE.
I AM CHRIS VAN SAN, MY HUSBAND CRAIG, AND I HAVE LIVED IN CHINO HILLS OVER 35 YEARS BEFORE IT WAS A CITY.
UM, AND WE ARE HERE IN SUPPORT OF BOB GOODWIN.
CRAIG TOLD ME I COULDN'T SAY WHAT I SAID TO HIM IN THE KITCHEN LAST WEEK.
SO, UM, JUST TO SAY WE ARE SHOCKED AT YOUR CONSIDERATION OF REMOVING HIM FROM HIS POSITION ON THE PUBLIC WORKS COMMISSION FOR EXERCISING HIS FREE SPEECH AND REPRESENTING, REPRESENTING AGAIN THE CITIZENS OF CHINO HILLS.
YOU WERE WRONG WHEN YOU CONSIDERED RECOGNIZING YOURSELVES, BUT SOMETIMES WE ALL GET OFF BASE.
THAT'S WHAT OUR SPOUSES ARE FOR.
BUT TO NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO ACCEPT WHEN WE'RE WRONG IS AT THE VERY LEAST A CHARACTER ISSUE TO RETALIATE IS JUST FLAT OUT NARCISSISTIC WHEN IT'S DONE BY PUBLIC SERVANTS.
I WOULD BE HERE TODAY IF I DIDN'T KNOW BOB GOODWIN, GOD GOODWIN, BECAUSE OF HOW APPALLING YOUR BEHAVIOR IS.
BUT I DO KNOW BOB GOODWIN, THOUGH I HAVE NOT SEEN HIM OR CHRIS ANN IN OVER 10 YEARS.
WE WERE PART OF HOPE FOR THE HILLS.
I SAW BOB'S HUMBLE SERVANT LEADERSHIP.
HE KNEW HOW TO BRING A RAGTAG GROUP TOGETHER IN A COHESIVE WAY WHILE LISTENING TO EVERYONE'S OPINION.
HE NEVER ELEVATED HIMSELF ABOVE ANYONE ELSE.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE COUNTLESS HOURS, DAYS AND YEARS HE GAVE FOR THE GOOD OF THIS CITY.
WITHOUT ASKING OR EXPECTING ANY SORT OF COMPENSATION, I DON'T KNOW HOW HE DID IT.
IT'S NOT HYPERBOLE TO SAY THAT THIS CITY WOULD NOT BE WHAT IT IS TODAY WITHOUT BOB GOODWIN.
YOU SHOULD ALL BE THANKING HIM.
IF ANYONE IN THIS CITY DESERVES A PLAQUE, IT WOULD BE BOB, BUT HE WOULD NEVER ASK FOR IT OR ACCEPT IT.
WE WILL BE WATCHING YOUR RESPONSE TO ALL THIS AND VOTING ACCORDINGLY.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ROBERT GOODWIN.
HELLO, I'M ALSO ROBERT GOODWIN.
UH, THESE ARE TWO OF MY SIX SIBLINGS.
UM, I AM BOB GOODWIN'S, OLDEST SON, WHO ALSO SPENT NEARLY 30 YEARS OF MY LIFE AS A RESIDENT IN THIS CITY.
TODAY I'M SPEAKING ON NOT ONLY ON BEHALF OF MY FATHER, BUT ALSO ON BEHALF OF LOGIC, FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY COMMUNITY LEADERSHIP.
MY FATHER HAS BEEN A RESIDENT OF THIS CITY SINCE 1988.
HE'S AN ACTIVE MEMBER OF THE CHURCH.
HE'S A LARGE PRESENCE AT SCHOOL EVENTS, AND HE WAS ALWAYS A PROMINENT FIGURE ON ALL OF THE SPORTS FIELDS THROUGHOUT THIS VALLEY.
HE ALSO FOUGHT TIRELESSLY FOR THE CITY AS A LEADER FOR HOPE FOR THE HILLS.
HIS COMMITMENT TO DOING RIGHT FOR THE CITY SHOULD NEVER BE SECOND GUESSED.
MY BACKGROUND IS AN EXECUTIVE FOR MULTIPLE PUBLICLY TRADED COMPANIES THAT HAVE TAUGHT ME WHAT MY FATHER ALSO TAUGHT ME.
AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FISCAL, CIVIC, AND FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY.
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ACKNOWLEDGE A FEW THINGS.MONEY IN THE BANK IS A LUXURY AND NOT A PRIVILEGE.
AWARDS ARE FOR ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND NOT PARTICIPATION.
AND MONUMENTS SHOULD BE ERECTED FOR SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY AND FOR CREATING A LEGACY.
AND THEY SHOULD BE SUPPORTED BY THE COMMUNITY.
THEY'RE NOT AWARDED BECAUSE OF TIMING OR ROTATION.
FINALLY SPEAKING, A UNIVERSAL TRUTH IS NOT A PUNISHABLE OFFENSE.
CHALLENGING GOVERNMENT IDEAS SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN AS PERSONAL ATTACKS.
ON THE CONTRARY, CONCERNED AND ACTIVE CITIZENS SHOULD BE APPLAUDED AND CELEBRATED.
I'LL CLOSE WITH TWO QUESTIONS BY REMOVING BOB GOODWIN FROM HIS ROLE, WHAT LESSONS ARE YOU ALL TEACHING THE CHILDREN OF THIS COMMUNITY ABOUT LIFE? AND FINALLY, HOW WOULD THIS DECISION REPRESENT THE LEGACY YOU ALL WANT TO LEAVE ON THIS AMAZING CITY? MM-HMM,
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS GWEN NORTON PERRY.
AND YES, THAT WAS MY PHONE THAT WENT OFF.
I APOLOGIZE EVERYONE, IT'S RARE FOR ME TO BE UP HERE BEFORE YOU.
AND I JUST THANK ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC SERVICE.
AND THIS IS A COMMUNITY THAT I CARE SO VERY MUCH ABOUT.
AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND YOUR COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY.
I'M GONNA READ SOMETHING WHICH ACTUALLY IS RARE FOR ME 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, I'LL KEEP GOING ON AND ON AND ON WITHOUT IT.
I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THIS, I THOUGHT LONG AND HARD ABOUT IT.
THE COUNTY SERVICE DISTRICT OF SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY WAS APPROXIMATELY 38,000 RESIDENTS.
AND WE WERE UNDERSERVED UNDER STATE LAW.
TAXPAYER DOLLARS WERE BEING DIVERTED TO THE DESERT AREAS OUTSIDE OF OUR COUNTY DISTRICT AT THE TIME.
WE'RE TALKING BACK TO THE 1980S.
LAND USE ISSUES WERE DETERMINED BY FORMER MAPS WITHOUT ANY PURVIEW BY THE RESIDENTS CURRENTLY.
FAST FORWARD, THE CITY OF CHINO HILLS WAS ESTABLISHED ON ITS FIRST ATTEMPT, AN UNHEARD OF ACCOLADE IN THE HISTORY OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
IT GAVE WAY TO A NEW FLEDGLING BEGINNING FOR THIS VERY UNDERSERVED COMMUNITY.
THE CITY WELCOMED ALL COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK FROM RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES.
NEVER IN MY MIND WOULD I HAVE IMAGINED THAT A RESIDENT WHO HAS GIVEN OF HIS TIME, TALENT, AND TREASURES WOULD BE CENSURE, NONETHELESS, STRIPPED OF A VOLUNTEER COMMUNITY SERVICE POSITION THAT IS REVERED.
I AM SADDENED AND DISAPPOINTED WITH THIS EFFORT TO CONSIDER THIS AN AGENDA ITEM AND POTENTIAL COUNSEL ACTION.
I ASK YOU TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
AND THANK YOU MR. GOODWIN, FOR YOUR PUBLIC SERVICE.
I'M HERE TO SUPPORT MY FRIEND BOB GOODWIN TONIGHT.
BOB HAS FACED BIGGER CHALLENGES IN HIS LIFE.
YOU MAY NOT KNOW IT, BUT AT A YOUNG AGE, 21, BOB LEARNED HE WAS GONNA BECOME THE FATHER OF TRIPLETS.
NOW HE'S GOT SIX KIDS, 15 GRANDKIDS.
BOB KNOWS A LOT ABOUT CHANGING DIAPERS.
HOW MANY YOU ASK? IT DEPENDS
BUT BOB KNOWS WHEN A DIAPER'S DIRTY AND NEEDS CHANGING.
IF THERE'S A HISTORICAL WALL OF ANY SORT, BOB'S PICTURE SHOULD BE FRONT AND CENTER.
WHEN THE CITY WAS FIGHTING A MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR CORPORATION, SC EDISON, THE CITY, SPENT WELL OVER A MILLION DOLLARS TO FIGHT THE UTILITY COMPANY.
THEY GAVE UP AND THEN BOB STOOD UP.
BOB CREATED A GROUP CALLED HOPE FOR THE HILLS, AND LED THIS GROUP OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT DEVOTED THEIR TIME AND THEIR MONEY TO FIGHT FOR THE CITY.
AND WHEN, BUT WHEN, WHEN THE HOPE FOR THE HILLS WON, THE WHOLE CITY WON.
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HE CONTINUES TO WORK AS A VOLUNTEER, AN UNPAID VOLUNTEER AS COMMISSIONER FOR RAY MARQUEZ.BOB PUBLICLY DISAGREED WITH AN ACTION BY THE COUNCIL AND ALSO WROTE A LETTER TO THE, UH, CHINO CHAMPION NEWSPAPER.
AND THE COUNCIL, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF RAY MARQUEZ, TOOK EXCEPTION TO BOB SPEAKING SUPPOSEDLY AS A COMMISSIONER, UH, TO OPPOSE A, AN ACTION TAKEN BY THE CITY.
HE WAS CALLED OUT AT THAT MEETING FOR HIS OPPOSITION, WHICH HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM BEING A COMMISSIONER.
IT HAD TO DO WITH HIM BEING A CITIZEN OF THE CITY.
WHAT DOES IT SAY TO OTHER UNPAID VOLUNTEERS THAT IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE, THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE F FIRING YOU AGAIN? HE'S UNPAID.
YOU KNOW, IF I WAS IN HUMAN RESOURCES, I'D CALL THIS A CLASSIC CASE OF WORKPLACE RETALIATION.
NOW THE COUNCIL'S EXPOSED THEMSELVES, STUBBORN, BLOATED EGOS FOR SELF-GLORIFICATION, AND RETALIATION AGAINST AN UNPAID VOLUNTEER.
PERHAPS IT'S TIME TO CHANGE THE DIAPER.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS DOLLY TRIMBLE.
IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I'VE BEEN UP HERE AND FELT LIKE I NEEDED TO COME UP HERE.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PREPARED, BUT I JUST WANNA TELL YOU ALL, WE STARTED THIS OFF SAYING THE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
WHAT MOST OF YOU UP THERE ARE WANTING TO DO TO THIS GENTLEMAN HERE, WHOM I DON'T KNOW, BUT WHAT YOU'RE WANTING TO DO TO HIM DOES NOT SOUND LIKE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAPPEN IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, MUCH LESS IN THE CITY OF CHINO HILLS.
I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN THE CITY, AND THE THINGS THAT I'VE SEEN COME FROM SOME OF YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS UP HERE LATELY.
I DON'T APPROVE OF, AND I'LL REMEMBER IT COME ELECTION TIME.
MR. MARQUEZ, THANK YOU FOR WITHHOLDING AND NOT BECOMING PART OF THIS LYNCH MOB BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT COMES ACROSS AS YOU'RE GOING AFTER SOMEBODY FOR EXPRESSING HIS OPINION AS A CITIZEN OF THIS CITY.
HE HAS A RIGHT TO THAT AND HE HAS A RIGHT TO EXPRESS IT AND SHARE IT AS A CITIZEN.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JOANNE JENIS.
WHERE'S THE STEP STILL, AS RAY ALWAYS WOULD SAY, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER STAFF.
IT'S GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY HERE TONIGHT AND IT'S KIND OF A NICE TO SEE OUR FOUNDING MAYOR HERE, GWEN, WHO'S SITTING NEXT TO ME.
I WAS SURPRISED WHEN I SAW BOB GOODWIN'S NAME APPEAR ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
IT STATED THE COUNCIL IS CONSIDERING REMOVING HIM FROM HIS COMMISSION DUTIES.
I QUESTIONED WHAT BROUGHT THAT ON.
WAS IT BECAUSE OF WHAT HE SAID AT A PREVIOUS, ON THE PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEM? OR IS THERE MORE BEHIND IT? WHEN BOB SPOKE AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, HE VOICED HIS OPINION AND CONCERNS AS THE RESIDENT OF THE CITY.
AND AT NO TIME DID HE MENTION OR REPRESENT HIMSELF AS A CITY COMMISSIONER.
NOT SAYING THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM IF HE DID.
AS EACH INDIVIDUAL STANDS BEHIND THIS PODIUM, YOU WILL HEAR, HEAR WORDS SPOKEN IN DIFFERENT TONES OF MANNERISM BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES IN THE PAST.
I HAVE SEEN SPEAKERS GET UP UPSET AND ANGRY OUT OF FRUSTRATION.
AND THEN YOU HAVE SPEAKERS LIKE, LIKE ME, THAT HAVE SHED TEARS AT THIS PODIUM.
ONE THING I AM THANKFUL FOR IS THE RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH THAT ALLOWS ME AND ANY OTHER SPEAKER TO STAND HERE AND VOICE OUR OPINIONS.
I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN AND HEARD IT ALL AND MUST, AND IT MUST BE VERY HARD AND FRUSTRATING AT TIMES FOR YOU TO HAVE TO SIT THERE AND LISTEN TO SOME CRITICISM AND HEAR SOME UNFAVORABLE WORDS, WHICH MAY NOT ALWAYS AGREE WITH, BUT THEN TO HAVE TO LET IT ROLL OFF YOUR SHOULDERS BECAUSE OF THE POSITION YOU HOLD.
ANYWAYS, I'M REQUESTING THAT THE COUNCIL PLEASE RECONSIDER THIS ACTION ITEM AND KEEP BOB ON THE PUBLIC WORKS COMMISSIONER, AS FAR AS I KNOW, AS LONG AS HE'S BEEN ON THE COMMISSION, WHAT, 10, 10 YEARS, BOB, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY COMPLAINTS OF HIM BEING ON THAT BOARD, SO PLEASE RECONSIDER YOUR ACTIONS.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK TONIGHT.
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OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS CHUCK HAFLINGER.GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, CITY STAFF, PATRIOTIC AMERICANS.
I AM USUALLY VERY PLEASED WITH HOW THINGS GO.
I AM CONCERNED ABOUT A RIFT WITHIN THE FAMILY AND THERE.
AND IF TWO GROUPS APPROACHED THIS, A COUNCIL MEMBER AND HAD TO MAKE A DECISION, YOU CAN'T TELL BOTH GROUPS, YES, I'M GONNA VOTE YOUR WAY.
SOMETIMES VERY TOUGH DECISIONS NEED TO BE MADE.
AND I HAVE FOUND IN MY EXPERIENCE THAT IT IS HELPFUL TO SEPARATE THE MESSENGER FROM THE MESSAGE.
BOB GOODWIN, IN THIS PARTICULAR EXAMPLE, LED THE CHARGE AGAINST UTILITIES AND HE WAS THE TOAST OF THE TOWN.
WHEN HE SPEAKS VERY FRANKLY ABOUT A DECISION THAT HAD RECENTLY BEEN MADE, CONDEMN THE SIN, NOT THE CENTER.
DO RECOGNIZE, PLEASE THAT, UM, HE'S NOT, UH, AN ENEMY OF THE STATE.
BOB IS JUST DOING WHAT HE DOES, STANDING UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT.
UH, AND, UH, SOMETIMES IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK, SQUAWKS LIKE A DUCK, IT APPEARS TO BE A DUCK.
AND SO HE, UH, HE, HE SPOKE OUT ON BEHALF OF ALL OF US.
AGAIN, HE'S SPEAKING FOR THE FOR, FOR THE MASSES.
AND I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO PLEASE, UH, AFTER TONIGHT, GO BACK AND, AND CONSIDER THE MESSAGE AND THE MESSENGER WHO'S SENDING IT AND WHY HE AND WHY HE IS SENDING IT.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MIKE BRAUN.
I WOULD LIKE TO STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT THIS ISN'T A PRECEDENT THAT YOU WANT TO ESTABLISH OF.
YOU HAVE A COMMISSIONER WHO'S VOLUNTEERING AND HAS A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION, DIFFERENCE, DIFFERENCES OF OPINION ARE A STRENGTH.
IT'S OKAY THAT WE AGREE THAT WE DISAGREE.
UM, MANY TIMES WE WILL AGREE, BUT THERE ARE TIMES WHERE WE WILL DISAGREE AND WE NEED TO FIND OTHER AVENUES OF HOW THIS GETS RESOLVED.
THIS REALLY DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT.
AND THIS LONGER TERM, THIS RUNS DOWN A SLIPPERY SLOPE THAT WE MAY NOT WANT TO ESTABLISH AS A PRECEDENT IN OUR CITY.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
THE FINAL SPEAKER CARD THAT I HAVE IS JOHN BRUNER.
I, I COULD NOT, I COULD NOT BEGIN TO SPEAK A MIND BETTER THAN WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU TODAY.
THIS MAN SAVED CHINO HILLS IN A LOT OF WAYS, AND I SINCERELY LIVING IN THE AREA.
I WANT TO TAKE YOU BACK TO WHAT STARTED ALL THIS.
AS I UNDERSTAND IT, A LETTER THAT, UH, BOB PENNED SOMETIME IN, UH, I DON'T KNOW, JULY, I THINK IT WAS OF THIS YEAR, AND HE SAID SOMETHING ON THE ORDER OF, ON THE SAME NIGHT IT WAS ANNOUNCED THAT THE SEWER RATE INCREASED, WILL IMPACT RESIDENTS.
THE COUNCIL FINDS IT NECESSARY TO ERECT A MONUMENT TO THEMSELVES.
IS THIS A STRANGE COINCIDENCE OR IS IT RELATED? COUNSEL, I, I SUBMIT TO YOU THAT YOU ARE SETTING A PRECEDENT THAT IF I WERE EMPLOYEE, IF I WERE A A, A
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PISING SETTING ON A COMMITTEE LIKE BOB, I WOULD BE CONCERNED THAT I WOULD BE NEXT.WHAT, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? YOU NEED TO BACK DOWN ON THIS.
YOU NEED TO TELL BOB YOU'RE SORRY.
BE THAT AS IT MAY, THERE ARE NO MORE SPEAKER CARDS.
UH, WHO WOULD LIKE TO START OFF SAYING ANYTHING? READY? YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? SURE.
FIRST OF ALL, AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, I'VE TAKEN AN OATH OF OFFICE AND I'VE TAKEN IT NUMEROUS TIMES, 11 TIMES.
ALTOGETHER, I WAS A FIREFIGHTER FOR 28 YEARS.
UM, I WAS A COMMISSIONER TWO YEARS AS A PLANNING COMMISSIONER, 12 YEARS AS A PARK REC COMMISSIONER.
I WAS ON THE FIRE BOARD FOR SEVEN YEARS AND I TOOK THAT OATH TWICE AS A COUNCIL MEMBER.
I'VE TAKEN IT THREE DIFFERENT TIMES.
SO THE OATH OFFICE MEANS A WHOLE LOT TO ME.
AND LET ME JUST SORT OF READ SOME WORDS HERE.
BASICALLY, UM, I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES FOR THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AND FOR THE, FOR THE GOVERNMENT, THE UNITED STATES.
I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE CONS CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
PART OF THE CONSTITUTION IS THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW RESPECTING OR ESTABLISHING A RELIGION OR PROHIBITING FREE AND EXERCISE IN A BRIDGE, THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH OR OF THE PRESS, OR THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE PEACEFULLY TO ASSEMBLE AND TO PETITION THE GOVERN GOVERNMENT FOR REDNESS OF, OF A GRIEVANCE.
UM, SO WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, IT REMINDS ME EXACTLY WHAT BOB DID.
UM, HE, HE SAID WHAT HE HAD TO SAY.
OKAY? YES, BOB IS MY COMMISSIONER.
AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT BEING A COMMISSION COMMISSIONER.
GARY LARSSON ACTUALLY, UM, PUT ME, FIRST OF ALL ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I WAS ONE OF THE FIRST COMMISSIONS.
AND THEN HE PUT ME ON PARKS AND RECS COMMISSION.
AND THE REASON THAT HE DID THAT IS BECAUSE OF MARIANNE IN THE BACK.
UM, SHE THOUGHT I WAS A DEVELOPER AND I WAS A REAL ESTATE AGENT, BUT ALSO A FIREMAN.
SO I SWITCHED OVER TO PARKS AND RECS.
UM, SO I MET BOB 30, 30 PLUS YEARS AGO, UM, PRIOR TO CITY HOOD.
ACTUALLY MORE, WELL LONGER THAN 30 YEARS, BUT IT WAS BEFORE CITY HOOD.
I WAS A LITTLE LEAGUE PRESIDENT.
THERE WAS ACTUALLY FOUR LITTLE LEAGUES THAT WERE IN WITHIN CHINO HILLS.
WE DIDN'T GET ALONG WITH GIRLS SOFTBALL, WE DIDN'T GET ALONG WITH SOCCER.
UM, I WAS PRESIDENT FOR THREE YEARS.
THE FIRST YEAR BOB WASN'T A PRESIDENT.
THE SECOND YEAR HE WAS, I KNEW THERE WAS AN ISSUE, THERE WAS A PROBLEM.
I SAW SOMETHING IN BOB BACK THEN.
I GO, WE NEED TO GET ALL THE YOUTH SPORTS TOGETHER.
THE FIRST EVENT WE HAD WAS A GOLF TOURNAMENT.
AND EVERYBODY WANTED TO FIND OUT, RAY, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU WANT OUT OF THIS? I DON'T WANT ANYTHING.
THEN WE HAD THE BRIGHT IDEA ABOUT FORMING A SPORTS YOUTH COUNCIL.
SO THIS WAY WE WOULD HAVE ALL THE PLAYERS IN THE COMMUNITY SIT DOWN, TALK, JONATHAN MARSHALL, YOU WERE PART OF THAT, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT.
WE HAD ISSUES WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
I WOULD GO TO A SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR PRACTICE.
THEIR COACHES WOULD BE USING OUR FIELDS FOR THE KIDS THAT WHERE THEY USED TO LIVE, LIKE MAYBE RANCHO OR UPLAND.
BOB WAS RIGHT BESIDE ME WITH THE FIGHT, DEALING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS SO OUR KIDS COULD USE THE FIELDS.
UM, ALSO GARY LARSON WAS THERE WITH US.
UM, BECAUSE ONCE WE BECAME A CITY AND I BECAME AN ELECTED, I WANTED SOMEBODY THAT I COULD TRUST THAT, UH, WOULD TRULY CARE ABOUT MY COMMUNITY.
AND I HAVE SO MUCH HISTORY WITH BOB.
BOB WAS MY FIRST PICK AS A COMMISSIONER FOR PUBLIC WORKS.
AND, UM, I HAVE TWO OTHER COMMISSIONERS, AND ONE OF 'EM IS OUT IN THE AUDIENCE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I THINK THEY ALL DO SUCH A GREAT JOB.
BUT WHEN THEY WERE COMMISSIONER, I EXPECT THEM TO SHOW RESPECT TO THE COMMUNITY, TO DO THEIR JOB, TO TREAT STAFF WITH RESPECT.
AND BOB HAS DONE THAT ALL THE TIME.
UM, IF SOMEBODY COMES TO THE, TO A DAAS AND THEY'RE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT AN AGENDA ITEM, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY 13 AND THIS WAS OUR LAST MEETING.
AND HE AS A PERSONAL CITIZEN SPEAKS ON HOW HE FEELS.
I'M NOT GONNA SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
HE HAS THE RIGHT PER THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND
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THE FIRST AMENDMENT I RESPECT BOB.UM, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOPE FOR THE HILLS.
UM, THE CITY HAD A TOUGH FIGHT AND THEY, THEY, THEY SPENT MILLION, $5 MILLION, NOT JUST A MILLION.
UM, AND THEY MADE A DECISION AT A PRESS CONFERENCE THAT THIS WAS IT.
THEY, THEY TOOK IT TO COURT, THEY FOUGHT, AND IT JUST DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THE TOWERS WERE GONNA COME DOWN.
SO BOB THE NEXT DAY, AND MR. DICK DICKEY DID SUCH A GREAT JOB WITH THE ORIGINAL GROUP.
UH, BOB CAME IN AND I WAS TOLD THAT HE WAS GONNA ACTUALLY TAKE THE LEAD AND IT WAS CALLED HOPE FOR THE HILLS.
SO WHEN I FOUND OUT HE WAS, I CALLED HIM THE SECOND DAY AND SAID, HEY BOB, I'M ALL IN.
AND UM, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE HAD SUCH A GOOD GROUP OF PEOPLE THROUGHOUT CHINO HILLS.
WE HAD DIFFERENT OPINIONS, BUT WE CAME TOGETHER WITH THE CITY.
WE COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT THE CITY, WITH OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND HOPE FOR THE HILLS.
UM, AGAIN, BOB IS SOMEBODY THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.
UM, AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, I WOULD NEVER TELL HIM EVER, UH, WHAT TO SAY AND WHAT NOT TO SAY.
'CAUSE I HAVE SO MUCH RESPECT FOR THAT MAN.
SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS AND I HOPE THAT WE REALLY THINK ABOUT THIS BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD.
BRIAN, ANYTHING? NOT RIGHT NOW.
I GOTTA HOLD OFF FOR A MOMENT.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE LITERALLY A LOT OF EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING SAID ABOUT YOU, BOB, IN MANY RESPECTS IS TOTALLY TRUE.
UH, PETER AND I FOUGHT THE FIGHT WITH YOU WHEN WE WERE ON THE COUNCIL, WHEN WE FOUGHT HOPE FOR THE HILLS WITH, ALONG WITH HOPE FOR THE HILLS.
WE LOVED THE THE MOON SHOT THAT YOU GAVE, THE, THE EDISON PEOPLE IN ROSEMEAD.
WE WERE ON THE, UH, THE UH, UM, MEETING UP AT SAN FRANCISCO WHEN THE, THE VOTE WAS TAKEN.
AND WE BEAT THE, UH, SOUTHERN CAL EDISON BY THE CPUC THREE TO TWO.
UH, WE AS A CITY AND AS COUNCIL MEMBERS INVESTED $5 MILLION IN THAT FIGHT.
THE PROBLEM I'M HAVING RIGHT NOW IS, OKAY, YOU GUYS ARE GONNA HATE ME.
YOU'RE PAINTING US AS THOUGH WE'RE THE HORRIBLE PEOPLE.
AND DID, THIS IS ALL ABOUT RESTITUTION.
THE FACT THAT WE GET TOLD THAT THERE IS AN APOLOGY THAT IS EXPECTED FROM US TO YOU.
I WOULD SUBMIT THAT YOU OWE US AN APOLOGY.
THIS ALL THIS TALK ABOUT FREEDOM OF OH YEAH.
HERE IS THE TRUTH ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING.
ALRIGHT? THERE IS NO QUOTE, FREEDOM OF SPEECH WHEN IT COMES TO BEING A COMMISSIONER.
WHEN YOU ARE A COMMISSIONER, YOU SERVE AT THE RES OR AT THE PLEASURE OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
A COUNCIL MEMBER WILL RECOMMEND SOMEONE AND THE REST OF THE COUNCIL VOTES US.
LIKE I SAY, WE, WE CAN'T WIN ON THIS THING, PERIOD.
HERE ARE THE ISSUES THAT I SEE THAT HAPPENED DURING THESE LAST COUPLE DECISIONS.
THERE WAS A LACK OF PROFESSIONALISM.
THERE WAS A TOTAL LACK OF FOCUS ON THE PURPOSE OF THE HISTORICAL WALL.
IT WAS PAINTED INTO A DIFFERENT, INTO A DIFFERENT CORNER.
THAT IT WAS NOT THE INTENTION OF THIS CITY COUNCIL TO, TO GO AFTER USE OF DEROGATORY TERMS. LIKE LOOK AT ME, DISPLAY TO HIGHLIGHT OURSELF.
VANITY WALL FOR SELF, UH, RECOGNITION, WANTED TO MEMORIALIZE US.
THOSE ARE NOT THE PURPOSES OF THIS THING.
AND TO SAY THOSE THINGS WERE VERY, VERY HURTFUL.
NOW WHAT'S THE REPERCUSSION? IF WE SAY SOMETHING BAD UP HERE, OH MAN, WE'RE GONNA GET CR ABSOLUTELY CRUCIFIED.
BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, YEAH, YOUR PRIOR SERVICE HAS BEEN GREAT, BUT YOU NEED TO DIAL IT IN WHEN YOU'RE TALKING IN PUBLIC TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
THAT JUST IS AN OLD, OLD FASHIONED VALUE OF BEING RESPECTFUL.
THE SADDEST THING ABOUT THIS WHOLE ISSUE IS THAT THIS WAS SELF-INFLICTED.
YOU'RE THE ONE THAT GOT UP AND MADE THE COMMENTS.
YOU'RE THE ONE THAT WENT TO THE PAPER AND WROTE THE ARTICLE.
RECENTLY, THE COUNCIL WAS REVISIT, REVISITING A SUGGESTION THAT WAS MADE TWO YEARS AGO.
DURING THE 30TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE CITY'S INCORPORATION FOR A HISTORICAL DISPLAY.
WE WERE ADVISED THAT THE POTENTIAL COST OF THE CONSTRUCTION, UH, AND TO COME UP WITH AN APPROPRIATE STYLISH DISPLAY OF OUR CITY'S BRIEF HISTORY THAT WOULD MEMORIALIZE THE STORY OF OUR PURSUIT OF CITY HOOD.
THIS DISPLAY, WHICH WOULD'VE INCLUDED SMALL PICTURES OF ALL PREVIOUS MAYORS, WOULD BE LOCATED IN THE FOYER IN THE CITY HALL.
WE, AS A COUNCIL, DETERMINED THE COST WAS EXCESSIVE AND REQUESTED ADDITIONAL STUDY OF THE DESIGN CONTENTS LOCATION AND COST.
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THIS POINT, WITHOUT ANY FINALIZED ACTION BEING TAKEN, BOB, YOU DECIDED TO FORM YOUR OWN OPINION ABOUT THIS AND, AND YOUR OWN REASONING BEHIND THE POTENTIAL HISTORICAL DISPLAY AND DECIDED TO WRITE AN EDITORIAL PIECE AND THE OPINION SECTION OF OUR RESPECTIVE CHINO VALLEY CHAMPION, WHERE IT WAS YOU CHOSE TO TITLE THIS, UH, OPINION MONUMENT TAMARAS.IN THAT ARTICLE, YOU CHARACTERIZED THIS POTENTIAL DISPLAY IS A SELFISH LOOK AT ME DISPLAY AND STATED, THIS ALONE SHOULD GIVE ALL CHINO HILLS RESIDENTS REASON TO PAUSE AND CONSIDER WHO THEY ARE VO VOTING FOR AS SELF-AGGRANDIZING INDIVIDUALS OR SOMEONE WHO REALLY MAKES THE DIFFERENCE, WHICH YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE FACT THAT BOB OR THAT, UH, RAY VOTED AGAINST THIS USING BOB'S END ANALOGY.
THIS ALONE SHOULD GIVE YOU THE RESIDENTS OF CHINO HILL A CLEAR PICTURE OF HIS TOTAL LACK OF RESPECT FOR THE COUNCIL AND HIS EXPRESSION OF NO CONFIDENCE IN OUR COUNCIL.
NOW, I ASK YOU WHO, WHY SHOULD THE VERY COUNCIL THAT VOTED TO APPROVE APPOINTMENT TO THE PUBLIC COMMISSION SHOULD NOT REMOVE HIM ENOUGH SAID, OKAY.
AND THANKS FOR PUTTING ME ON THE SPOT, GUYS.
WELL, NO, UH, WE ALL HAVE OUR POINTS OF VIEW.
BOB, I WISH IT'D HAVE BEEN APPROACHED A LITTLE DIFFERENT WAY.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT.
THERE'S MORE APPROPRIATE WAY TO HAVE DONE IT RATHER THAN THE LETTER TO THE EDITOR AS HE'S ALREADY QUOTED.
I MEAN, THE LETTER'S GENERALLY BEEN READ BY DIFFERENT PEOPLE, BUT AS YOU SAID, THIS ALONE SHOULD GIVE CHINO HILL'S RESIDENTS REASON TO PAUSE AND CONSIDER WHO THEY'RE ACTUALLY VOTING FOR.
SELF AGGRANDIZING INDIVIDUALS OR SOMEONE WHO REALLY WANTS TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
AND WE, WE ALL ARE HERE, ESPECIALLY THE 20 INDIVIDUALS THAT, UH, FORM THE, THE, UM, LEADERSHIP OF THE CITY, THE FIVE ELECTEDS AND THE 15, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
AND WE ALWAYS, WE ALWAYS VIEW THIS, I ALWAYS VIEW THIS AS TEAMWORK AND, AND TRUST WITH EACH OTHER.
AND I THINK A LOT OF US VIEW THIS AS A A IN A DIFFERENT APPROACH BY A COMMISSIONER WHO IS SHOWING A LACK OF TRUST IN THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN ELECTED.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT PROBABLY TRIGGERED THIS.
IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH TWO WEEKS AGO WHEN HE SPOKE THE CONTENT.
BOB WAS PICKING HIS WORDS CAREFULLY AT THAT TIME.
AND IT REALLY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST I THINK THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS.
SO AGAIN, I THINK EVERYBODY HAS COMMENTS.
DON'T THINK EVERYBODY'S GONNA STATE THE COMMENTS, BUT, UH, THAT WAS MY POINT OF VIEW.
I WISH WE'D BEEN HANDLED A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY AS FAR AS APPROACHING US EMAIL, PHONE CALL, ET CETERA.
ANYBODY ELSE? RYAN? YOU KNOW, JUST FOR MY 2 CENTS, I THINK WE WE'RE USED TO CRITICISM.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ASKED FOR IT, YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY WANT IT FROM RESIDENTS AND, YOU KNOW, WE TOOK IT INTO CONSIDERATION AND DIDN'T GO FORWARD.
I THINK WE WANT, WE WANT TO HEAR THAT.
I THINK JUST THE WAY IT WAS DELIVERED MIGHT HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT LESS, YOU KNOW, OF WHAT WE DESIRE FROM SOMEONE THAT THE FIVE OF US PUT ONTO A COMMISSION.
BUT, YOU KNOW, DON'T EVER THINK THAT WE WOULD EVER WANNA RESTRICT SOMEBODY'S FIRST AMENDMENT SPEECH.
YOU KNOW, THE ABILITY TO WRITE TO THE CHAMPION ISN'T ENSHRINED IN THE FIRST AMENDMENT, YOU KNOW, SPEAKING AT THE COUNCIL MEETING.
YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY WANT TO HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I THINK THE WAY IT WAS DELIVERED WAS A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT ROUGH.
SO THAT'S ALL I GOT FOR YOU RIGHT NOW.
UM, MR. CITY MANAGER, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
HAS BOB, AS FAR AS HIS BEHAVIOR ON A COMMISSION, HAS THIS EVER BEEN AN ISSUE BROUGHT UP TO ANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS OR YOURSELF? I'VE NEVER RECEIVED A COMMENT THROUGH, YOU KNOW, EITHER THE DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OR FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS.
HAS ANYBODY IN THE PAST EVER BEEN TAKEN OR REMOVED FROM A COMMISSION, UH, SAY ANYONE OF THE COMMISSIONS? HAS THAT HAP HAPPENED IN THE PAST? TO MY KNOWLEDGE ONCE, YES.
AND WAS WAS THAT ROMAN NAVA BELIEVE THAT WAS THE INDIVIDUAL? CORRECT.
DID HE EVER ACT UP AT A, AT A COMMISSION MEETING THAT, THAT WE KNOW OF? I MEAN, WAS HE HE DID A GOOD JOB? WHAT I REMEMBER AND, AND THAT'S WOULD, I WOULD BE DOING PERSONAL RECOLLECTION TO ANSWER THAT.
UH, WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THE GROUNDS THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE PUBLIC MEETING WAS THAT HIS ACTIONS WERE INTERPRETED AS A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE IN THE EXISTING COUNCIL.
I DOES NOT HAVE ANY REFERENCE IN THE STAFF REPORT TO HIS ACTIVITY, UH, ON THE DAAS AS A COMMISSIONER.
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AND I SORT OF, NOW I REMEMBER.SO WHAT I REMEMBER IS HE HAD THE RIGHT TO RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL AND HE MADE THAT DECISION.
AND THEN AFTER HE MADE THAT DECISION, THAT WAS CONSIDERED, UM, HE WASN'T A TEAM PLAYER.
AND THAT AGAIN, I ART, I THINK YOU WERE THE MM-HMM
BUT I, I THINK THAT'S THE, THE TRUTH TO THAT STORY.
UM, SO AGAIN, WHEN WE HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM AND WE ASK FOR COMMUNITY INPUT, IT'S CALLED TESTIMONY.
WE WANT TRUTHFUL, UM, QUESTIONS OF THE COUNCIL.
I'M GONNA TELL YOU, THERE'S PEOPLE THAT THAT BEAT ME UP.
YOU SEE ME ON THE, THE NEWSPAPER ONE TIME POINTING MY FINGER AT A COUNCIL PERSON OR PAST COUNCIL PERSON, UM, YEAH, I GOT BEAT UP.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, WHEN I GET ELECTED I EXPECT TO GET BEAT UP.
'CAUSE IF I'M DOING MY JOB, THERE'S GONNA BE TIMES WHERE YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
I'M GONNA SAY ARENA HOUSING UNITS IN CHINO HILLS.
EVERYBODY HERE DOESN'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.
OKAY? BUT I KNOW WE HAVE TO DO THAT.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THERE'S GONNA BE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT DON'T LIKE ME BECAUSE OF THAT TRAFFICKING CARBON CANYON.
YOU KNOW, WE FOR SEVEN YEARS BEEN TRYING TO DO A TRUCK TRUCK STUDY AND IT'S FINALLY HAPPENED.
BUT I KEEP ON TELLING YOU WE'RE WORKING ON THIS, BUT IT HASN'T HAPPENED.
SO YOU PROBABLY THINK I'M LYING TO YOU GUYS AND YOU PROBABLY DON'T BELIEVE WHAT PETER AND MY MYSELF ARE SAYING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.
I DON'T LIKE WHEN PEOPLE GET UPSET WITH ME, IT HURTS MY FEELINGS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
UM, BUT I'M GONNA TELL YOU, I EXPECT IF WE HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM, I WANT YOU GUYS TO BE HONEST 'CAUSE I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.
I KNOW I HAD BEEN APPROACHED BY A COUPLE OF FORMER, UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, DURING THE PAST WEEK WHEN THIS WAS STARTING TO BUBBLE UP.
UM, I WON'T MENTION NAMES, BUT EACH INDIVIDUAL THAT HAD BEEN ON AND MOVED ON TO OTHER THINGS THEY TOLD ME, AND IT WAS PRETTY SUCCINCT, THEY SAID THAT WITH A PARTICULAR COUNCIL MEMBER THAT HAD, UH, NOMINATED THEIR NAME BEFORE THE COUNCIL VOTED ON THOSE INDIVIDUALS, THAT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER WOULD'VE LET THAT INDIVIDUAL GO FOR THE SAME THING.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT WAS THEIR POINT OF VIEW.
AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE HERE TONIGHT, BUT, UH, THEY BOTH APPROACH ME.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT'S NOT UNPRECEDENTED IN A WAY BECAUSE IT'S HAPPENED IN THE CITY BEFORE.
HATE TO SEE IT HAPPEN THIS WAY.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY.
ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, WE ARE GOOD.
WHILE LOOKING FOR KIND OF RESOLUTION ON THIS ITEM NUMBER, UH, 10, LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO PROCEED? I'LL MOVE IT.
ALRIGHT, WELL I'LL SECOND I'D LIKE TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION IF I COULD, WILL WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS AGAIN FIRST, MR. MR. ATTORNEY, CAN I MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION? YOU CAN, IT'LL HAVE TO BE, UM, YEAH, SORRY.
YOU'LL HAVE TO, TO GET IT SO IT TAKES PRECEDENT OVER THIS MOTION.
YOU CAN TRY TO AMEND THAT MOTION.
I WANNA MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
EVERY ORGANIZATION THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
OKAY, SO WHAT, SO MY SUBSTITUTE MOTION IS TO TABLE AND TAKE NO ACTION.
WE HAVE MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FIRST ITEM, WHICH WAS, UH, WHAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING.
MAYOR, PRIOR TO THE VOTE, I'LL JUST CLARIFY THE MOTION.
AND IS IT TO REMOVE BOB GOODWIN FROM THE, UH, PUBLIC WORKS COMMISSION? THAT'S WHAT IT'S, THAT'S THE WAY I INTERPRETED IT.
MOTION PASSES FOUR ONE WITH MARQUEZ VOTING.
ALRIGHT, MAYOR, UH, SEEING THE PASSING OF THAT MOTION, UH, THE NEXT STEP IS STAFF WILL CONDUCT A, UH, UH, INTERVIEW PROCESS IN ORDER TO, AND ADVERTISE THE OPEN POSITION YOU'RE GOING TO.
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OKAY.WITH, WITH THAT, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
WE WILL BRING OUR MEETING BACK TO ORDER AND WE'LL, UH, AFTER OUR 15 MINUTE BREAK, WE'LL BE BACK TO OUR NORMAL SCHEDULE HERE.
SO WITH THAT, LET ME, UM, OKAY, HAND IT OFF TO CHERYL.
[4. PUBLIC COMMENTS: At this time members of the public may address the City Council / Planning Commission regarding any items within the subject matter jurisdiction of the Council / Commission, whether or not the item appears on the agenda, except testimony on Public Hearing items must be provided during those hearings. Please complete and submit to the City Clerk a "Request to Speak" card. Comments will be limited to three minutes per speaker.]
AT THIS TIME, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL OR PLANNING COMMISSION REGARDING ANY ITEMS WITHIN THE SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION OF THE COUNCIL OR COMMISSION, WHETHER OR NOT THE ITEM APPEARS ON THE AGENDA, EXCEPT FOR TESTIMONY ON PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS, WHICH MUST BE PROVIDED DURING THOSE HEARINGS.PLEASE COMPLETE AND SUBMIT TO THE DEPUTY CITY CLERK A REQUEST TO SPEAK CARD.
COMMENTS WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER.
OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS MIKE BRAUN.
HE PUT IN A CARD FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, SO HE MAY HAVE LEFT.
MIKE, ARE YOU STILL HERE? I DON'T THINK I SEE HIM.
OUR NEXT PUBLIC COMMENT IS FROM JANE DE FRANK.
GOOD, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL STAFF.
I COME HERE TONIGHT REGARDING AN ISSUE THAT DISTRESSES ME GREATLY.
THE HISTORICAL WALL THAT WAS PROPOSED TO HONOR THOSE WHO HAVE LED OUR CITY IN PAST, PRESENT, FUTURE.
I FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THIS ISSUE AS I FULLY, I FULLY SUPPORT IT AS THE WALL AND THE PRESERVATION OF HISTORY OF OUR CITY.
AND LET'S GET ONE THING CLEAR.
THIS IS NOT, THIS IS A HISTORICAL WALL.
IT'S NOT A VANITY WALL OR AN NARCISSISTIC ACT OF OUR CURRENT COUNCIL.
OUR 55 PLUS CLUB WORKED VERY HARD TO BUILD A VETERANS MONUMENT TO HONOR ALL VETERANS, BOTH PAST AND FUTURE.
WOULD YOU CRITICIZING THIS WALL ALSO CRITICIZE THE MONUMENT BECAUSE IT WAS CHAMPIONED BY OUR VETERANS, THEREFORE, BEING A SELF-SERVING, NARCISSISTIC, OR JUST A, A BUILT FOR THEIR VANITY? I ACTUALLY HAVE DONE RESEARCH ON THIS AND IT'S TRUE THAT MANY CITIES AND ALSO MANY ORGANIZATIONS DO HAVE SIMILAR PLAQUES AND MONUMENTS TO THOSE WHO SERVE.
THIS IS NOT A WALL TO HONOR ANY ONE INDIVIDUAL, BUT ALL OF THE HARDWORKING WOMEN AND MEN WHO HAVE SERVED OUR CITY AS MAYORS.
I ALSO AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN JOST THAT OUR LOCAL HISTORY IS NOT TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS AND IT'S UP TO US CITIZENS TO PRESERVE AND HONOR OUR CITY'S HERITAGE.
SHOULD IT JUST BE IGNORED AND EVENTUALLY LOST? THOSE OF US WHO HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 32 PLUS YEARS, NO HISTORY, KNOW OUR HISTORY, BUT WE WILL NOT ALWAYS BE HERE TO PASS IT ON.
AND APPARENTLY IT'S OPINION OF FEW THAT OUR HISTORY IS NOT IMPORTANT, WE SHOULD JUST LET IT DIE.
I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE COMMENTS THAT OUR MAYORS ARE APPOINTED AND NOT ELECTED.
EVERYONE WHO SERVES AS MAYOR MUST HAVE BEEN ELECTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND EVERYONE WHO VOTES IN THE CITY SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT PERSONS THEY ARE VOTING FOR WILL MOST LIKELY BE IN ROTATION FOR THE MAYOR.
BUT JUST BECAUSE WE ROTATE MAYORS DOES NOT ANYWAY DIMENSION DIMINISH THE JOB THAT YOU DO.
THINGS ARE EXPENSIVE TO BUILD THESE DAYS.
I KNOW AS A NEW CITY, WE DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY THAT OLDER CITIES IN OUR COUNTY DO OR IN OUR STATE, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT THIS IS A CITY COUNCIL THAT UNDERSTANDS OUR FINANCIAL SITUATION AND IS VERY CONSERVATIVE IN THEIR SPENDING.
IF THEY WERE NOT, WE WOULDN'T HAVE SURVIVED FOR 32, 2 YEARS.
I KNOW THAT OUR COUNCIL IS VERY CAREFUL OF OUR TAXPAYERS MONEY AND I TRUST THEM TO MAKE CAREFUL MONETARY DECISIONS.
LASTLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I HAVE HEARD ALL THE NEGATIVITY ABOUT THIS WALL AND I'M APPALLED AT WHAT YOU'VE HAD TO SIT HERE AND TAKE.
I WAS EMBARRASSED AFTER WATCHING THE VIDEOS AND READING THE CHAMPION ARTICLES LETTERS.
AS A RESIDENT OF CHINO HILLS AND SUMMIT RANCH, I WOULD LIKE TO PERSONALLY APOLOGIZE TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.
EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL IN A PROPER RESPECTFUL MANNER.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE, YOU ARE ELECTED AND OFFICIALS OF THE CITY.
AND AS SUCH, YOU'RE ENTITLED TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF RESPECT.
UNFORTUNATELY, THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT ONE SHOULD ALWAYS TREAT OTHERS AS THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE TREATED.
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, IF WE DO NOT FOLLOW THIS PHILOSOPHY, HOW WILL WE EVER CONTINUE TO ATTRACT GOOD CANDIDATES TO RUN FOR OUR GOVERNMENT PROPOSITIONS? THANK YOU.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JOANNE JANIS.
THIS IS ON MORE OF A LIGHTER SIDE.
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I'VE BEEN SOMEWHAT OUT OF THE LOOP THESE DAYS, WHICH IS WHY SOME OF WHAT I'M SHARING TONIGHT IS A LITTLE LATE IN COMING.FIRST, I'D LIKE TO CONGRATULATE THE 55 PLUS CLUB ON THEIR 10 YEAR ANNIVERSARY THAT THEY RECENTLY CELEBRATED.
THERE ARE SOME BOARD MEMBERS FROM THE CLUB AND THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT, AND I LIKE TO THANK THEM FOR THEIR TIME THAT THEY CONTRIBUTE TO THIS ORGANIZATION.
I KNOW THEY ARE INSTRUMENTAL IN PROVIDING GATHERINGS AND EVENTS FOR OUR SENIORS TO ATTEND AND A ENJOY.
AND FOR THE MONUMENT ALSO, MY NEIGHBOR AND I ATTENDED THE COPY WITH THE COPY EVENT HELD AT PANERA'S A FEW WEEKS AGO.
THIS EVENT GAVE THE RESIDENTS OF OUR CITY AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET AND CHAT WITH SOME OF THE DEPUTIES SERVING OUR CITY.
I HAD A NICE CONVERSATION WITH OUR CAPTAIN AND A COUPLE OTHER DEPUTIES.
THANK YOU TO THOSE THAT ORGANIZED THIS EVENT.
AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.
AND I KNOW MY NEIGHBOR HAD SOME ISSUES AND SHE DIDN'T REALLY WANNA HAVE TO, HOW DO YOU, YOU DON'T DIAL 9 1 1 FOR, SO THIS GAVE HER THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO AND SPEAK TO SOMEBODY AND SEE HOW TO ADDRESS IT.
SO THESE COFFEE, COFFEE EVENTS OR POP UP, YOU KNOW, UH, POP UP WITH THE CITY EVENTS, I THINK OPEN THAT UP SO THAT THE RESIDENTS CAN DO THAT.
AND THANK YOU RAY FOR YOUR VOTE AND THANK YOU CAPTAIN.
AND MY PRAYERS ARE WITH ALL THESE E LEOS AND OUR FIRST RESPONDERS DURING THESE CRAZY TIMES.
AND HAVE HOLIDAYS ARE COMING UP.
WISH YOU A JOYOUS AND A BLESSING HOLIDAYS.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER THANK SPEAKER IS STEVE ELI.
UH, TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS STEVE ELI, CITIZEN SPEAKING, UM, ON A VERY, VERY SERIOUS ISSUE THAT IS NOT LIGHTHEARTED, UM, BUT AFFECTS OUR WORLD TODAY.
IN, IN MY VIEW, I, I WOULD LIKE OUR COUNCIL TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER PUTTING ON THE AGENDA, UH, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE A RESOLUTION ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS OF OUR CITY, UM, DENOUNCING ANTISEMITISM AND HATRED TOWARDS THE JEWISH PEOPLE.
UM, YOU KNOW, UH, NORMALLY I TALK ABOUT WATER ISSUES AND OTHER THINGS, BUT THIS IS VERY NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART AS A JEWISH AMERICAN, UH, WON OF 15 MILLION IN THE WHOLE WORLD.
AND, UH, OCTOBER SEVEN, THE EVENTS OF OCTOBER SEVEN ONLY HIGHLIGHT WHAT WHAT UNFORTUNATELY HAS BEEN UNDER THE SEAMS FOR A VERY LONG TIME IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND ALL OVER THE WORLD.
UH, IN FACT, I PULLED UP THE, UH, ATTORNEY GENERAL'S, UM, UH, STATISTICS OF HATE CRIMES IN 2022, WHICH IS THE LAST YEAR IT'S AVAILABLE.
OBVIOUSLY ANTI-JEWISH BIAS EVENTS INCREASED 24.3% IN 2022 IN THE GREAT STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
UM, THIS WEEK IN A HIGH SCHOOL IN CORONA DEL MAR, WHICH IS FAMOUS FOR THE STUDENTS LINING UP CUPS IN A SWASTIKA, THERE WAS A SWASTIKA PAINTED ON A STUDENT'S LOCKER.
UM, NOW WE HAVEN'T EXPERIENCED THAT NECESSARILY IN THE CHINO VALLEY, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND WE, OUR, OUR POLICE BOTH HERE AND IN THE CITY OF CHINO ARE TREMENDOUS IN, IN ALL ANTI HATE CRIMES AND ALL ANTI-BIAS.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULDN'T SPEAK OUT AS A CITY.
THAT, THAT I IMPLORE YOU AS A COUNCIL TO TAKE A STAND.
I KNOW IT WAS REPORTED THAT CHINO DID, DID SO, UM, LAST WEEK AT, AT THEIR COUNCIL MEETING.
AND UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN IN CLAREMONT, UM, A HAVEN, A COLLEGE TOWN, THEY HAD TO CUT OFF THEIR SPEAKERS ON THE PHONE BECAUSE ANTISEMITIC RAID RAIDS OR RAGES WERE ONGOING.
UM, SO I IMPLORE YOU TO TAKE A STAND ON BEHALF OF THE, THE MANY JEWISH PEOPLE WHICH LIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND RIGHTEOUS AND GOOD PEOPLE.
YOU KNOW, ANTISEMITIC HATE IS FOUNDED, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DIDN'T SPEAK 90 YEARS AGO.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, AND YOU, IF I KNOW I'M ON SOCIAL MEDIA WITH ALL OF YOU AND MANY, MANY IN THE AUDIENCE AND YOU'VE SEEN MY POSTS THAT I USUALLY DON'T GET WHAT THEY CALL POLITICAL, BUT THIS IS NOT POLITICAL.
WHAT WAS PERPETRATED AGAINST THE PEOPLE ON THE OUTSIDE, UH, OUTSKIRTS OF GAZO WAS PURE HATRED AND EVIL FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA MEANS WIPE OUT THE JEWS AND THEY START WITH THE ISRAELI JEWS.
AND SO I REALLY ASK THAT, UH, AT A FUTURE MEETING YOU, YOU HAVE A RESOLUTION, UH, THAT WOULD BE FULLY SUPPORTED BY THE COUNCIL.
ALRIGHT, STEVE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH ARN BEN AT THIS POINT TO DO THAT.
YEAH, BEN, COULD WE LOOK INTO THAT AND WE'LL, WE'LL EXPLORE.
AND STEVE, LISTEN TO MY COMMENT AT THE END OF
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THE LAST, LAST COUNCIL MEETING.ADDRESS IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND IT JUST STARTED HAPPENING AND IT JUST CONTINUES TO GO.
AND AS LONG AS WE DON'T HAVE A SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE TO HELP US PLAN WHAT WE CAN DO, IT'S GONNA CONTINUE.
SO GOD BLESS YOU AND, AND ALL THE JEWISH PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR ROGERS, VICE MAYOR MORAN COUNCIL MEMBERS, CITY STAFF AND AUDIENCE MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS SUZETTE DANG, WITH YOUR COUNTY SUPERVISOR KURT HAGMAN'S OFFICE.
I HAVE TWO ANNOUNCEMENTS TONIGHT.
FIRST ON NOVEMBER, UM, EIGHTH WEDNESDAY, BETWEEN 10:00 AM TO 2:00 PM SUPERVISOR HAGMAN WILL BE HOSTING AN ANNUAL VETERAN CLAIMS EVENT AT THE DISTRICT OFFICE, LOCATED 1 4 0 1 0 CITY CENTER DRIVE IN CHINO HILLS COUNTY.
VETERAN SERVICE OFFICERS, ALSO KNOWN AS, UM, VSOS, WILL BE ON SITE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT EXISTING CLAIMS, CONDUCT BENEFIT ASSESSMENT INTERVIEWS, COMPLETE, COMPLETE CLAIM FORMS AND PAPERWORK ISSUE, SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY VETERAN ID CARDS AND FILE COMPENSATION CLAIMS FOR YOU.
PLEASE BRING YOUR DD FORM TWO 14 AND BARBECUE LUNCH WILL BE PROVIDED BY SUPERVISOR HAMAN.
IF YOU NEED ASSISTANCE SOONER, PLEASE CALL 9 0 9 3 8 2 3 2 9 0, OR 9 0 9 9 4 8 6 4 7 0 AND ASK FOR A VETERAN SERVICE OFFICER.
THEY CAN ASSIST YOU OVER THE PHONE.
UM, ANOTHER EVENT IS SUPERVISOR KURT HAMAN'S CHRISTMAS OPEN HOUSE.
IT WILL BE ON THURSDAY, DECEMBER 7TH, BETWEEN 5:30 PM TO 7:30 PM RIGHT HERE AT THE CITY HALL LOBBY, UH, IN CHINO HILLS.
UH, PLEASE GO TO SUPERVISOR HAGMAN.EVENTBRITE.COM TO RSS VP OR SCAN THE QR CODE ON THE FLYER, WHICH IS IN THE HALLWAY OF THE LOBBY.
AND AS ALWAYS, PLEASE CONTACT OUR DISTRICT OFFICE, UM, AT 9 0 9 4 6 5 5 2 6 5 FOR ANY COUNTY RELATED QUESTIONS, SERVICES, OR RESOURCES.
THIS IS OUR FINAL SPEAKER CARD.
UM, I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT BEING PATIENT LIKE MR. RAY MENTIONED.
UM, I'VE BEEN VERY PATIENT ABOUT OUR CIP PROJECT ESPECIALLY, UM, ON MY SUBJECT I MENTIONED ABOUT EUCALYPTUS AVENUE BETWEEN CHINO HILL PARKWAY AND PEYTON.
I REALLY APPRECIATE OUR COUNCILMAN.
OUR CITY OPENED UP THIS SECTION MANY YEARS AGO, BUT RECENTLY, RECENT YEARS, IT'S BEEN QUITE CHALLENGING DRIVING IN THIS SECTION, ESPECIALLY FROM GALLOPING HILL EAST END TO CHINO HILL PARKWAY, THE TRAFFIC LIGHT, I DON'T KNOW THE REASON WE HAVEN'T PATCHED THE, THIS SECTION.
AND I DO COMMUNICATE, UH, COMMUNE EVERY DAY TO ONTARIO AND EVEN TO SAN BERNARDINO IN THE PAST FOUR, FIVE YEARS DUE TO WORK.
SO I REALLY LIKE TO ASK OUR CITY, AT LEAST DO SOME PATCHING IN THIS SECTION SO YOU DON'T DAMAGE THE VEHICLE TIRE.
AND, UH, ALSO FOR SAFETY PURPOSE, I'VE BEEN PATIENT, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, I HOPE I'LL CONTINUE TO BE PATIENT AND I DON'T HAVE TO EMAIL YOU GUYS OR COME TO THE MEETING, UH, EVERY MONTH OR EVERY QUARTER.
THIS IS FOR MYSELF, FOR MY COMMUNITY WITH 108 UNIT ON THE SOUTHEAST AND, UH, WELL SOUTHWEST, NO, SOUTHEAST, UH, CHINO HILL, PARKWAY AND EUCALYPTUS.
SO I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION AND YOUR SPEED UP OF OUR CIP PROJECT IN THIS SECTION, ALONG WITH THE OTHER SECTION THAT NEED TO BE PATCHED OR WHATEVER WORK NEED TO BE DONE.
WHEN I TELL, TELL MY FRIEND I LIVE IN CHINO HILL, THEY GO, HERE YOU GO, NICE CITY.
I HOPE WE SHOW PEOPLE WHAT A NICE CITY WE ARE BY IMPROVING OUR CAPITAL PROJECT.
AND LASTLY, I LIKE TO MENTION, REMIND EVERYONE, WE ALL MAKE BAD DECISIONS AND THERE'S CONSEQUENCES.
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MAYBE THIS IS A BAD DECISION I MADE TO COME TO THE COUNCIL MEETING.AND SO WHATEVER DECISIONS MADE TONIGHT, THERE'S CONSEQUENCES.
I, I GUESS, DANIEL, WE LOOK INTO, WASN'T THERE TALK OF RESURFACING THAT AREA FAIRLY SOON? UH, THERE IS ACTUALLY, WE HAVE A PROJECT WHERE WE'RE GONNA INSTALL A RECYCLED WATER LINE ALONG EUCALYPTUS, UH, THAT EXACT STRETCH.
SO WE'RE WAITING FOR THAT PROJECT TO BE DESIGNED, UH, AND BUILT SO WE CAN IMPROVE THE ENTIRE ROAD.
UH, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL GO OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE, THE POTHOLES ARE PATCHED THE APPROPRIATELY UNTIL THAT PROJECT IS, IS COMPLETED.
I KNEW IT WAS, IT WAS CLOSE TO BEING, UH, PURSUED.
WANT ME TO GET BACK? MAYOR? UH, IT'S OKAY.
MAYOR STAFF WAS GETTING HER CONTACT INFORMATION.
THAT IS THE FINAL SPEAKER CARD, UNLESS THERE'S SOMEONE WHO DID NOT SUBMIT A SPEAKER CARD WANTING TO SPEAK, HAVE ANYBODY SUBMITTED ANYTHING THAT THEY WANTED TO.
[ CONFLICT OF INTEREST ANNOUNCEMENTS: Council Member abstentions shall be stated at this time for recordation on the appropriate item.]
CONFLICT OF INTEREST ANNOUNCEMENTS.[ CONSENT CALENDAR (4 ITEMS) - All matters listed on the Consent Calendar are considered routine by the City Council and may be enacted by one motion in the form listed below. There will be no separate discussion of these items unless, before the City Council votes on the motion to adopt, Members of the City Council or staff request the matter to be removed from the Consent Calendar for separate action. Removed consent items will be discussed immediately after the adoption of the balance of the Consent Calendar.]
CALENDAR.THERE ARE FOUR ITEMS. SO THOSE ITEMS ARE, UH, ITEMS FIVE THROUGH EIGHT.
ANYBODY WISH TO PULL ANY OF THOSE? NO.
NO? YES, MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
I'LL SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND.
[9. Joint item with Planning Commission - Provide direction regarding leasing for and permitting major and minor Wireless Facilities in City Open Space and consider initiation of amendment regarding applicability of Ridgeline Protection ordinance to siting of wireless facilities]
IS A DISCUSSION CALENDAR ITEM.THIS IS A JOINT ITEM WITH OUR PLANNING COMMISSION.
I'D LIKE TO STATE THAT OUR PLANNING COMMISSIONER, SHARON VOY, PETER ANO, MELISSA DEHI, PETER, UH, MICHAEL STOVER AND JERRY BLOOM ARE ALL IN ATTENDANCE TO THE MEETING TODAY.
SO JOIN ITEM WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO PROVIDE DIRECTION REGARDING THE LEASING FOR AND PERMITTING MAJOR AND MINOR WIRELESS FACILITIES IN CITY OPEN SPACE.
WE HAVE, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, LEG TO PRESENT.
THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MY PRESENTATION TONIGHT WILL COVER TWO PRIMARY TOPICS WITH STAFF SEEKING POLICY DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL ON WHETHER OR NOT WIRELESS TELECOMMUNICATION FACILITIES SHOULD BE PERMITTED WITHIN CITY OWNED OPEN SPACE.
AND IF THESE FACILITIES ARE EXEMPT FROM THE PROVISIONS OF THE CITY'S RIDGELINE PROTECTION ORDINANCE.
I'LL START WITH SOME BACKGROUND ON WIRELESS REGULATIONS AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF FACILITIES, AND THEN I'LL DISCUSS THE RIDGELINE PROTECTION ORDINANCE, AND WE'LL FINISH WITH SEVERAL POLICY OPTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS.
SO, WIRELESS TELECOMMUNICATIONS HAVE BECOME A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF OUR LIVES.
WE RELY ON OUR SMARTPHONES FOR COMMUNICATION, ENTERTAINMENT, PRODUCTIVITY, NAVIGATION, AND COMMERCE.
UH, OUR SMARTPHONES RELY ON WIRELESS INFRASTRUCTURE TO HAVE AVAILABLE BANDWIDTH AND SERVICE TO MEET OUR NEEDS, BOTH WHERE WE WORK AND WHERE WE LIVE.
AND WIRELESS INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALSO BECOMING CRITICAL FOR EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS, BOTH WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FIRE PROTECTION.
THIS INFRASTRUCTURE UTILIZES DIFFERENT RADIO AND MICROWAVE FREQUENCIES TO TRANSMIT INFORMATION FROM OUR WIRELESS DEVICES TO THE LARGER CELLULAR NETWORK, INCLUDING TOWERS AND ANTENNA.
BECAUSE THIS TECHNOLOGY USES LINE OF SIGHT TRANSMISSION IN A CITY WITH VARIED TOPOGRAPHY SUCH AS CHINO HILLS, THE MOST EFFICIENT PLACEMENT OF FACILITIES IS AT HIGHER ELEVATIONS TO GET THE MOST COVERAGE OF AN AREA.
BECAUSE WIRELESS TECHNOLOGY HAS BECOME CRITICAL TO INTERSTATE COMMERCE, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AS WELL AS THE STATE, HAVE BECOME INCREASINGLY MORE INVOLVED IN LIMITING THE ABILITY OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO REGULATE SUCH FACILITIES.
RECENT FEDERAL REGULATIONS HAVE PUT LIMITS ON CITIES TO REQUIRE THAT THESE FACILITIES BE ALLOWED BY WRIGHT IN CERTAIN CASES.
AND STATE LAW PRESCRIBES TIME LIMITS FOR CITIES TO PROCESS THE APPROVAL OF WIRELESS FACILITIES.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE HERE THAT THE CITY IS PROHIBITED FROM REGULATING WIRELESS FACILITIES BASED ON POTENTIAL HEALTH EFFECTS FROM ELECTRON, UH, ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION.
FEDERAL LAW HAS OCCUPIED THIS AREA ENTIRELY, AND ALL FACILITIES ARE REQUIRED TO MEET FEDERAL SAFETY STANDARDS.
THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO DENY A WIRELESS FACILITY APPLICATION ON THE BASIS OF POTENTIAL HEALTH EFFECTS.
SO WHAT DO THESE CITIES, OR WHAT DO THESE FACILITIES GENERALLY LOOK LIKE? UM, THERE ARE THREE MAJOR TYPES OF WIRELESS FACILITIES.
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MACRO CELL FACILITIES ARE DESIGNED TO COVER LARGE GEOGRAPHIC AREAS, AND THEY PROVIDE BANDWIDTH FOR LARGE AMOUNTS OF DATA TO BE TRANSMITTED.THIS SLIDE SHOWS, UH, THREE DIFFERENT STEALTH, UH, WHAT WE CALL STEALTH OR DISGUISED WIRELESS FACILITIES.
THEY'RE IN THE CITY OF CHINO HILLS.
UM, ON THE LEFT IS THE, UM, IS A TREE TYPE OR, UM, IT'S A, A MONO TUS SPECIES, UH, IF YOU WILL.
UM, THERE'S AN OBELISK, UH, WHICH ALSO DOUBLES AS A SIGN FOR THE COMMON SHOPPING CENTER.
AND THEN THE, UH, WATER TANK AT GORDON RANCH, WHICH I'M SURE EVERYBODY'S SEEN BEFORE.
UM, THE NEXT TYPE ARE CO-LOCATED CELL FACILITIES.
SO THESE ARE, THESE ARE MACRO FACILITIES, BUT THEY'RE LOCATED ON EXISTING STRUCTURES, UH, INCLUDING BUILDINGS.
UM, THESE ARE THREE EXAMPLES, UH, WITHIN THE CITY.
UM, WE'VE SEEN THEM ON SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, EDISON, UH, TRANSMISSION TOWERS, UH, ON OUR CITY RESERVOIRS.
UH, QUITE A FEW OF OUR RESERVOIRS CONTAIN THESE FACILITIES AS WELL AS, UM, LIGHT STANDARDS, UM, THAT ARE ALSO CONTAINED FACILITIES INSIDE.
UH, THIS ONE'S AT COMMUNITY PARK.
AND THEN THE THIRD IS, UH, WHAT WE CALL SMALL WIRELESS FACILITIES OR MICRO CELLS.
NOW, THE PURPOSE OF THESE FACILITIES IS TO EXPAND BANDWIDTH IN CERTAIN AREAS, UM, TO HELP, UH, IMPROVE THE SIGNAL, BUT THEY, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY REPLACE A MACRO FACILITY BECAUSE THEY ARE MUCH SMALLER.
NOW, THESE FACILITIES, UH, ARE ALLOWED IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, AND THE CITY IS REQUIRED TO APPROVE THEM.
UM, WE, WE CANNOT DENY THEM, NOR DO WE HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, WHEN THEY ARE PROPOSED BECAUSE THEY'RE WITHIN THE CITY RIGHT OF WAY.
WE DO HAVE SOME JURISDICTION TO REGULATE THEIR APPEARANCE.
HOWEVER, UM, THIS SLIDE ILLUSTRATES, UH, TWO PHOTO SIMULATIONS THAT ARE FOR A STREETLIGHT REPLACEMENT TYPE MACRO OR MICRO CELL FACILITY.
UM, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME IN THE CITY THAT ARE ON, UH, TELEPHONE POLES AND, UH, POWER POLES.
HEY, NICK, BASED ON THAT, ISN'T THERE A SPACING REQUIREMENT WHEN YOU DO A SMALL CELL SITE? IT'S LIKE MAYBE A COUPLE HUNDRED FEET.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT, UH, SO DISTANCE FOR, UM, FOR OUR REQUIREMENTS FOR, UM, THERE IS NO DISTANCE REQUIREMENT BETWEEN FACILITIES FOR MICRO CELL FACILITIES.
SO IT'S, IT'S PURELY BASED ON THE NEEDS OF THE CARRIER.
FOR MACRO FACILITIES, THE CITY REQUIRES A THOUSAND FOOT SPACING IN BETWEEN.
UH, SO WHEN A CARRIER WOULD LIKE TO, UH, BUILD A FACILITY IN THE CITY, UM, FOR THE MACRO FACILITIES, UH, WE HAVE A PROCESS BY WHICH THE APPLICANT SUBMITS THEIR APPLICATION, UM, TO THE CITY.
UH, IN TERMS OF FINDING OUT IF THE CITY WOULD ENTERTAIN THE LOCATION, UH, ONCE THEY RECEIVE AUTHORIZATION FOR THAT, THEY'LL SUBMIT THE FULL APPLICATION FOR THAT MACRO SITE.
UM, AND IT WILL GO THROUGH ENTITLEMENT REVIEW.
SO ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY AND THE FIRE DISTRICT WILL REVIEW THE APPLICATION, ALL THE PLANS, MATERIALS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS ALL REQUIRED CODES AND LAWS.
ONCE THAT DETERMINATION IS MADE, IT WILL BE SCHEDULED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, IF BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVES THE SITE, THEN AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CARRIER AND THE CITY WILL BE NEGOTIATED, AND THAT WILL BE BROUGHT TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO BE EXECUTED.
UH, ONCE THE LEASE AGREEMENT IS EXECUTED, THEN THE CITY WILL REVIEW CONSTRUCTION PLANS, ISSUE PERMITS, AND THE CONSTRUCTION CAN COMMENCE.
FOR MICRO FACILITIES, IT'S A SIMILAR PROCESS, BUT ABBREVIATED BECAUSE THERE IS NO PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVAL, THIS IS A, WHAT WE CALL A MINISTERIAL ACTION.
SO THE, UH, FACILITY IS SUBMITTED TO STAFF, WE REVIEW IT.
IF IT MEETS ALL OUR CODES, THEN WE WILL, UM, AMEND A MASTER AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH EACH OF THE CARRIERS, AND THEN THEY WILL BE ABLE TO BUILD THE FACILITY.
SO BEFORE I BEGIN A DISCUSSION OF THE RIDGELINE ORDINANCE, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE CITY HAS APPROVED SIX MACRO FACILITIES ON WHAT ARE KNOWN AS PROMINENT RIDGE LINES AND OR PROMINENT KNOLLS IN THE PAST.
AND FOUR OF THESE ARE CONSTRUCTED, UH, I'LL SHOW SOME EXAMPLES OF THOSE LATER.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE RIDGELINE MAP FOR THE CITY, UH, AND WITH THE LOCATIONS OF EXISTING AND PROPOSED MACRO
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AND CO-LOCATED FACILITIES.UH, SO THE WAY THIS MAP IS ILLUSTRATED, IT HAS, UH, BOLD LINES, IT HAS SKINNIER LINES, AND THEN IT HAS ASTERISKS.
THOSE REPRESENT THE OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED EXCEPTIONALLY PROMINENT RIDGE LINES, PROMINENT RIDGE LINES, AND KNOLLS.
UH, THE COLORS REPRESENT ELEVATIONS.
SO THE HIGHEST ELEVATIONS IN THE CITY ARE IN RED, GOING DOWN THE SPECTRUM TO THE LOWEST ELEVATIONS IN THE CITY, UH, PORTRAYED IN VIOLENT.
AND I WILL BE, UM, GOING THROUGH THIS MAP A COUPLE OF TIMES BECAUSE IT'S INSTRUCTIVE TO OUR DISCUSSION.
UH, HERE'S A TABLE, UH, THAT SHOWS THE RECENT FACILITIES, UM, AND RECENT GOES BACK A A LITTLE WAYS OF FACILITIES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY, UM, MOST OF WHICH WERE ON PROMINENT RIDGE LINES OR PROMINENT KNOLLS.
UH, WE HAVE INFORMATION ON THE, UM, CONSTRUCTION DATE, AND THEN THE LEASE RATES THAT THE TYPICALLY, UM, RE CITY TYPICALLY RECEIVES ANYWHERE BETWEEN 31,000 TO $66,000 A YEAR IN, IN ANNUAL REVENUE.
NICK, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A RIDGE LINE AND A NOEL? SO, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, AND I WILL EXPLAIN IT.
UM, IF YOU'LL INDULGE ME IN A FEW, A FEW SLIDES DOWN NOW, I'M JUST KIDDING.
SO, UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, UH, THE EAST VIEW FACILITY WAS, WHICH WAS RECENTLY APPROVED, UH, BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS ON A RIDGE LINE, BUT IT IS NOT A PROMINENT RIDGE LINE.
SO THIS RIDGE LINE IS NOT DESIGNATED IN OUR ORDINANCE.
SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE SOME RIDGE LINES IN THE CITY THAT YOU WOULD LOOK AT IT AND SAY, YEAH, THAT'S A RIDGE LINE, BUT, BUT IT'S NOT DESIGNATED AS PROMINENT IN THE ORDINANCE.
UH, NEXT IS A RECENT APPROVAL AT, SO-CALLED CANYON.
UM, AND THIS IS ON, UH, WHAT'S IDENTIFIED AS A PROMINENT KNOLL BY THE RIDGELINE PROTECTION ORDINANCE.
AND THESE ARE ALL, THESE ARE VISUAL SIMULATIONS BECAUSE THESE HAVE NOT BEEN CONSTRUCTED YET.
UH, THEN MORE RECENTLY, UH, GRAND AVENUE FACILITY ADJACENT TO THE MADDA TRAIL.
UM, THIS IS ON A DESIGNATED PROMINENT RIDGE LINE.
AND THEN, UM, ALSO A COUPLE HAVE BEEN REJECTED.
SO, UH, THE FACILITY THAT WAS ADJACENT TO THE STAGECOACH TRAIL, UH, IN JUNE, THE COUNCIL DECLINED TO ENTER INTO A LEASE WITH THE CARRIER FOR THAT SITE.
SO THAT WAS A, UH, A DEFACTO REJECTION OF THE PROJECT.
AND THEN, UH, MORE RECENTLY, UH, JUST LAST MONTH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DENIED A PROPOSED CELL SITE, UH, ADJACENT TO THE RIDGE VIEW TRAIL, WHICH IS A PROMINENT RIDGE LINE.
AND, UH, FOR REASONS THAT THEY WEREN'T SURE IF IT WAS, UM, COMPATIBLE WITH THE RIDGE LINE PROTECTION ORDINANCE, UM, OR THE APPLICABILITY OF THE ORDINANCE TO THESE FACILITIES AS WELL AS THAT WOULD IMPACT THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, UM, BECAUSE OF THE AESTHETICS OF INTERRUPTING THAT RIDGE LINE.
NICK, I THINK THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO REALLY EXPLAIN BECAUSE OF THIS, THIS IS THE, PROBABLY THE IMPETUS OF WHAT HAS CALLED FOR THIS JOINT MEETING TONIGHT.
UM, I THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION NEEDS TO HAVE GUIDELINES FROM US AND TO FIGURE OUT AND GET THIS POLICY CORRECTED SO THAT THEY'LL KNOW GOING FORWARD, UH, THEY'LL HAVE THE TOOLS TO MAKE THE RIGHT KIND OF DECISIONS.
I WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHEN WE, WHEN WE ORIGINALLY SET UP THIS WHOLE RIDGE LINE PROTECTION, AND IT'S ALL TOO FORGOTTEN ABOUT ALL OF THE MEASUREMENTS OF HOW, WHAT, WHAT THE HEIGHT OF THE, UH, KNOLL, PROMINENT KNOLL RIDGE LINE IS.
AND I KNOW THAT'S IN THE STAFF REPORT, UH, AND THERE'S ALSO HOW MANY FEET DOWN THE SIDE OF THE SLOPE YOU CAN BUILD.
AND THOSE ARE IMPORTANT THINGS.
BUT WHEN WE GET INTO THE AREAS LIKE THIS LAST ONE THAT'S BEEN DENIED, UH, I THINK THEY'RE LEFT WITH KIND OF, OKAY, ARE WE REALLY FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES OR NOT? SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE PEOPLE KNOW THAT ARE IN ATTENDANCE, THAT THIS IS WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS JOINT MEETING TONIGHT SO WE CAN MAKE A DECISION AND, AND DEVELOP A POLICY THAT WILL GIVE GUIDANCE AND MAKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S JOBS EASIER.
AND I WILL DO A, UH, A DEEP DIVE INTO THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE.
UM, IF YOU INDULGE IN ME JUST TWO MORE SLIDES AND I, I'M GONNA END UP REPEATING SOME OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
UM, UH, THERE'S TWO IMPORTANT COMPONENTS, UM, WITH REGARD TO ALL THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PLACEMENT OF WIRELESS FACILITIES.
UM, THE FIRST I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT IS THE REGULATORY CONSTRAINTS.
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FACILITY IS ON CITY PROPERTY, THE CITY HAS A LOT OF LEEWAY IN DETERMINING HOW IT LOOKS AND WHERE IT GETS PLACED AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE WE OWN IT AND, AND WE CAN DECIDE IF WE WANNA LEASE THAT PROPERTY OR NOT.UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE RIGHT OF WAY, WE, WE CAN'T DENY IT BECAUSE THEY ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT? BUT WE CAN REGULATE WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY BLEND IN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, BUT WHEN A FACILITY IS PLACED ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, UH, WE HAVE MUCH LESS SAY, UM, IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT FOR CITY TO DENY A WIRELESS FACILITY ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, UM, BECAUSE OF THE STANDARDS THAT ARE PLACED BOTH BY FEDERAL AND STATE LAW.
SO GENERALLY, THE CARRIERS ARE VERY COOPERATIVE WITH US AND WORKING OUT A STEALTH DESIGN.
BUT IN TERMS OF THE LOCATION AND PLACEMENT AND, AND AND HEIGHT, APART FROM SOME OF OUR LOOSE ZONING, UH, REGULATIONS ON THESE, THE, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS REALLY PRECLUDED US FROM BEING ABLE TO, TO TELL THE CARRIER NO ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
THE OTHER THING, UM, TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IS CONSTRAINTS THAT WE HAVE ON CITY PROPERTIES.
UH, WE HAVE, AS I WAS SAYING, CO-LOCATIONS ON RESERVOIRS, BUT A LOT OF OUR RESERVOIRS ALREADY HAVE WIRELESS FACILITIES ON THEM.
UM, THERE'S A LOT THAT, OR SEVERAL THAT ARE SUBTERRANEAN, SO THEY DON'T REALLY WORK FOR WIRELESS FACILITIES.
UM, PUBLIC BUILDINGS, A LOT OF OUR PUBLIC BUILDINGS ARE LOCATED IN AREAS WHERE THERE'S NOT A DEMAND FOR SERVICE, THEY'RE ALREADY A SERVICE COVERAGE OR THEY'RE IN LOWER ELEVATIONS.
UM, SEE TOWERS ARE GOOD OPPORTUNITIES.
UM, THE CARRIER DOES HAVE TO WORK WITH EDISON, AND EDISON HAS A POLICY OF NOT ALLOWING MORE THAN ONE CARRIER PER TOWER.
AND SO IT MAY BE THAT YOU HAVE A, A GOOD SPOT HERE.
T-MOBILE ALREADY HAS IT, AT AND T WOULD LIKE TO GO THERE.
THEY HAVE TO GO ON THE NEXT TOWER.
WELL, THAT, THAT TOWER MAY BE 50 FEET DOWN SLOPE, AND SO THEREFORE IT DOESN'T MAKE A GOOD SPOT FOR A TOWER ANY LONGER.
UM, AND THEN PUBLIC PARKS, WHICH HAVE OPPORTUNITIES, LIKE I POINTED OUT THE, THE LIGHT POLE AT COMMUNITY PARK.
UM, BUT A LOT OF OUR SMALLER PARKS DON'T REALLY HAVE THE NEED FOR THAT LIGHTING, AND THEY'RE IN AREAS THAT MIGHT BE A LOWER ELEVATION RELATIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT ALLOWING FOR HIGHER FACILITIES, UM, HIGHER THAN OUR, OUR HEIGHT LIMIT OF 35 FEET, UH, TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE COVERAGE THAT THE CARRIER WOULD REQUIRE.
SO THOSE ARE SOME CONSTRAINTS THAT WE HAVE ON OUR PUBLIC FACILITIES.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT RIDGE LINES.
UM, THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED ORDINANCE NUMBER 1 21 IN 1999, UM, TO FOCUS ON PRESERVE AND PROTECT RIDGE LINES.
UM, THE PRIMARY FOCUS WAS PROTECTING THEM FROM RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND THE POINT OF VIEW WAS FROM, UH, THE PRIMARY VIEW SHEDS IN THE CITY.
SO THESE ARE MAJOR STREETS THAT RUN THROUGHOUT THE CITY, WHICH THE RIDGE LINES PROVIDE A BACKDROP.
AND, UM, I'M SURE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BENNETT COULD FILL IN THE BLANKS BECAUSE I WAS NOT HERE IN 1999, BUT I DID A LOT OF RESEARCH ALONG WITH MY STAFF, AND WE, UM, FOUND THAT A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION WAS BASED UPON, UM, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THERE, THERE'S NO DISCUSSION REGARDING WIRELESS TELECOMMUNICATIONS FACILITIES, UH, WITH REGARD TO THE RIDGELINE ORDINANCE.
UM, IT'S ALSO SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE, UM, TECHNOLOGY WAS, WAS JUST STARTING, RIGHT? SO, SO THERE, THERE WERE A FEW, BUT IT WASN'T AS PROLIFIC AS IT IS TODAY.
AND THERE WERE SEVERAL RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WERE DEVELOPED ON RIDGE LINES, BOTH UNDER THE COUNTY AND THEN AFTER INCORPORATION.
AND SO THERE'S THREE CATEGORIES OF THESE SCENIC RESOURCES THAT WERE, UH, DEFINED BY THE ORDINANCE.
THE FIRST IS THE EXCEPTIONALLY PROMINENT RIDGE LINE.
SO THESE ARE RIDGE LINES THAT ARE GENERALLY 400 FEET OR HIGHER ABOVE THE PRIMARY VIEWPOINT.
HERE'S A PICTURE OF, UH, GRAND AVENUE WESTBOUND.
UM, THE IDEA IS THESE EXCEPTIONALLY PROMINENT RIDGE LINES FORM KIND OF THE BACKDROP FOR THE REST OF THE CITY, OR, OR A BACKBONE TO FIND THE SPINE OF MAJOR AREAS OR, OR MAJOR CANYONS THAT, UM, ARE THE LANDFORM THAT ARE IDENTIFIABLE IN THE CITY.
THE THE SECOND CATEGORY IS THE
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PROMINENT RIDGE LINE, WHICH IS GENERALLY 200 FEET ABOVE THE PRIMARY VIEWPOINTS.UH, SO HERE'S A, A VIEW, UM, AT THE INTERSECTION OF EUCALYPTUS AND CANON LANE, AND SO THAT THOSE REALLY ARE MORE FOCUSED IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA AND PROVIDE SIGNIFICANCE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS SURROUNDING THAT.
AND THEN A PROMINENT KNOLL IS A HIGHLY VISIBLE HILL OR HILLTOP THAT PROVIDES A LOCAL VISUAL REFERENCE POINT.
SO THIS IS THE ONE, PROBABLY ALMOST EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH.
UM, THIS IS LOOKING NORTH FROM EUCALYPTUS AVENUE, BOISE REPUBLIC.
SO IN, IN THAT RIDGELINE ORDINANCE, UM, AGAIN, THE THRUST WAS REALLY TO PRECLUDE DEVELOPMENT, UH, IN ORDER TO PRESERVE THE SCENIC RESOURCES.
AND THERE ARE SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS ON RIDGE LINES THAT REQUIRE BASED UPON IF IT'S AN EXCEPTIONALLY PROMINENT OR PROMINENT RIDGE LINE, THAT DEVELOPMENT HAS TO BE BELOW THE RIDGE LINE AND HAS TO BE CERTAIN NUMBER OF FEET AWAY FROM THE RIDGE LINE.
THE IDEA IS TO GET THE HOUSES MORE ON THE HILLSIDE SO THAT YOU SEE THE TOPS OF THE, OF THE RIDGE LINES AND PRESERVE THOSE SCENIC RESOURCES.
UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL EXCEPTIONS TO THE RIDGE LINE ORDINANCE THAT ARE ENUMERATED IN THE ORDINANCE.
AND, UH, ONE OF THE MAIN ONES IS ANY PROJECT THAT WAS APPROVED PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION ORDINANCE.
UM, WITH REGARDS TO THIS DISCUSSION, CITY STAFF, UH, CONSISTENTLY OVER THE YEARS HAS IN HAVE INTERPRETED THE, UH, WIRELESS TELECOMMUNICATE COMMUNICATIONS FACILITIES AS EXEMPT FROM THE ORDINANCE.
UM, SPECIFICALLY CITING A PROVISION THAT, UM, THEY ARE PROJECTS UNDERTAKEN IN, UH, THIS CITY OPEN SPACE SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF THE CITY.
AND SO, UM, STAFF IN OUR RESEARCH FOUND, UH, NO RECORDS OF AN OFFICIAL INTERPRETATION ON THIS.
WE, WE FOUND NOTHING IN MINUTES AND THE APPROVALS FROM PLANNING COMMISSION OR CITY COUNCIL, UM, DISCUSSING WHETHER OR NOT THE WIRELESS FACILITIES WERE EXEMPT FROM THE ORDINANCE.
AND SO AS FAR AS WE CAN SEE, THEY WERE EITHER CONSIDERED, THEY WERE UNDERTAKEN IN OPEN SPACE AND THEREFORE THEY'RE EXEMPT OR THEY WERE A TYPE OF UTILITY.
AND THERE ARE OTHER UTILITIES THAT ARE EXEMPT FROM THE ORDINANCE THAT ARE IDENTIFIED NICK.
AND I THINK ANOTHER REAL IMPORTANT POINT IS WHEN WE DID THE RIDGELINE PROTECTION AND PROMINENT KNOWLES, WE WERE CONCERNED MORE WITH CONSTRUCTION OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ON THOSE HILLS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE REALLY WERE ANTICIPATING ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM THAT THERE WOULD BE CELL TOWERS, UH, IN THE MIX IN THE FUTURE.
'CAUSE WE THINK OF IT THAT WAS 24 YEARS AGO.
SO JUST AN ADDED LITTLE, WELL, NICK, I WANNA JUMP IN TOO ON THIS.
UM, YES, I WAS A PLANNING COMMISSIONER, AND I DO REMEMBER WHEN I WAS ON IT, WE TALKED ABOUT RIDGELINE PROTECTION.
UM, BUT MY QUESTION IS PRECEDENTS.
WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED, I BELIEVE FOUR TOWERS IN OPEN SPACE.
IS THAT CORRECT? THERE'S, UM, FOUR THAT ARE CONSTRUCTED AND, UH, SIX THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
QUESTION THAT I HAVE FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY, IS THERE A PRECEDENCE, BECAUSE WE, WE ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN AND SAY WE DON'T APPROVE THE NE NEXT PROJECT.
IS THERE ANY RAMIFICATIONS? UH, NOT WITH REGARD TO THE CITY PROPERTY, BECAUSE YOU CONTROL ULTIMATELY THE CITY PROPERTY.
SO PRECEDENCE DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.
WELL, FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD SAY NO, IT, IT DOESN'T BECAUSE IT, AGAIN, IT'S THE CITY'S PROPERTY, AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN SAY YES TO THIS ONE AND NO TO THAT ONE.
I THINK FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, THE PRECEDENT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO SEND A CONSISTENT MESSAGE TO THE CARRIERS OUT THERE ABOUT WHAT THE COUNCIL'S LOOKING FOR.
I MEAN, IT'S, UM, AGAIN, IF THIS WERE, WE GET INTO THE RIGHT OF WAYS IN THE PUBLIC AREAS AND, AND, AND THE, AND THE PRIVATE PROPERTIES AND HOW WE INTERPRET THE, THE LAWS AND RULES ON THOSE PROPERTIES IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO THAT CONSISTENTLY.
BUT BECAUSE THE CITY OWNS THE PROPERTY, IT, IT CAN, AND THAT'S, THAT WAS ONE OF THE, I GUESS IT'S ONE OF THE, SORT OF THE SELLING POINTS.
IF YOU PUT IT ON CITY PROPERTY UNDER A CITY LEASE, YOU CAN MAINTAIN MORE CONTROL OVER THAT FACILITY.
FOR EXAMPLE, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO INCREASE BY A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THEIR HEIGHT.
WELL, YOU CAN CONTROL MORE OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IF IT'S UNDER A CITY LEASE, AS OPPOSED TO IF IT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, YOU'LL HAVE VIRTUALLY NO SAY IN IT.
SO THERE'S, THERE ARE A LOT OF TRADE OFFS AS I THINK WITH STAFF'S TRYING TO SHOW THE COUNCIL ON THESE ISSUES.
UM, AND, AND COUNCIL MEMBER BENNETT BASICALLY STATED THIS, I REMEMBER RIDGELINE PROTECTION FOR RESIDENTIAL.
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THAT HAVE ACTUALLY, AFTER WE ESTABLISHED THIS POLICY, WE PUT WATER TANKS ON PROMINENT RIDGE LINES.SO HOW DOES THAT FIGURE INTO DEVELOPING ON RIDGE LINES WITH WATER TANKS? UM, WATER RESERVOIRS ARE ONE OF THE SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT'S EXEMPTED FROM THE, UM, RIDGE LINE PROTECTION PROVISIONS IN THE ORDINANCE.
AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION REGARDING HEIGHT, UM, THE FCC, UM, WE DID HAVE SOME POWER LINES THAT WENT THROUGH THE CITY AT 200 FEET OR 198 FEET.
HOW DID THEY GO ABOVE OUR MAXIMUM HEIGHT REQUIREMENT WHEN THEY DEVELOPED THOSE POWER LINES? SO, UH, CO-LOCATED, UH, FACILITIES, UH, DO NOT HAVE A HEIGHT REQUIREMENT.
IT'S, UH, IT'S ONLY THE STANDALONE FACILITIES.
SO THE CARRIERS ARE ALLOWED TO GO HIGHER IF THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THE SIGNAL STRENGTH THAT THEY DECIDE.
SO YOU'RE REQUIRED TO GO HIGHER.
AND, AND SO THAT, UH, THAT LEADS US TO, UM, DIFFERENT POLICY OPTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE.
UM, THE STAFF, WE'VE OUTLINED FOUR DIFFERENT POLICY OPTIONS, WHICH WERE THOROUGHLY DISCUSSED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
UM, I LIKE THE COUNCIL TO LOOK AT THEM AS KIND OF A, A SPECTRUM OF, OF OPTIONS, IF YOU WILL, BECAUSE YOU MAY THINK OF THINGS, UM, THAT ARE MORE CREATIVE THAN STAFF HAS PROPOSED, BUT YOU COULD REALLY SEE THEM LYING UPON A MORE, A LEASE RESTRICTIVE TO A MOST RESTRICTIVE, UH, TYPE OF, UH, POLICY THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD TAKE.
UM, SO ONE OF THOSE IS, IS SORT OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY, UM, IN TERMS OF THE WIRELESS FACILITIES, UM, ARE EXEMPT FROM THE ORDINANCE.
ALTHOUGH WE'D BE ASKING THE COUNCIL TO DIRECT STAFF TO MAKE, TO, UH, TAKE ACTION TO MAKE THEM EXEMPT FROM THE ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY.
UM, AND TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW THEM TO BE LEASED IN PUBLIC OPEN SPACE.
UH, THAT GIVES THE COUNCIL A LOT OF DISCRETION OVER THE DESIGN AND PLACEMENT.
UM, THERE IS SOME, UH, REVENUE THAT'S REALIZED FROM, FROM LEASE PAYMENTS, UM, AND IT EXPANDS COVERAGE, UM, WHICH, WHICH THE PUBLIC DEMANDS.
UH, SOME OF THE CONCERNS THOUGH ARE, HAVE BEEN, UH, MADE KNOWN IN THE LAST SEVERAL, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS REGARDING, UM, THE PRESERVATION OF AESTHETICS AND THE VIEWS OF THE, UH, HILL HILLSIDES AND THE RIDGE LINES IN THE COMMUNITY, AND THE CONCERN ABOUT THEIR PLACEMENT ADJACENT TO HOMES VERSUS BEING IN, IN COMMERCIAL AREAS.
AND THEN ALSO THE POTENTIAL FOR, UH, MORE OF THESE FACILITIES TO PROLIFERATE AS, UH, OTHER CARRIERS ESTABLISH THEIR OWN NETWORKS, UH, IN SIMILAR AREAS.
NICK, QUESTION, UH, BECAUSE THIS IS A JOINT MEETING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, CAN I ASK THEM A DIRECTIVE QUESTION TO THEM MOMENTARILY? WE WERE GONNA INVITE THEM UP.
WELL, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW THAT THEY IN FACT, ARE GONNA HAVE INPUT AND GIVE US THEIR VIEWS ON THESE FOUR OPTIONS SO THAT WE CAN THEN COLLECTIVELY MAKE A DECISION POTENTIALLY AT THE END OF THE EVENING.
MIKE IS PLANNING ON MAKING SOME COMMENT SO WE CAN OKAY.
I WASN'T SURE WHAT WE CAN GRILL HIM WHAT THE VETTING ORDER WAS GONNA BE HERE.
UM, AN ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT IT IS TO NOT ALLOW THE FACILITIES ON RIDGE LINES, BUT TO CONTINUE TO LEASE FACILITIES IN OPEN SPACE.
UM, THIS WOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPEN SPACE AREAS IN THE CITY THAT WERE, ARE HIGHER IN ELEVATION TO EXPAND COVERAGE.
UM, THE ISSUE HOWEVER, IS THAT, THAT PRESERVING THAT RIDGE LINE BLOCKS THE SIGNAL FROM THE ANTENNAS.
AND SO THESE ANTENNAS NOW, INSTEAD OF HAVING A A UNIVERSAL SIGNAL, THEY, THEY WOULD ONLY HAVE A SIGNAL THAT GOES IN ONE DIRECTION THAT MAY REQUIRE ADDITIONAL ANTENNAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIDGE LINE THAT MAY REQUIRE ADDITIONAL GRADING BECAUSE A LOT OF TIME THE ACCESS ROADS AND TRAILS THAT WE HAVE THAT FOLLOW THE RIDGE LINES, UM, THEY'RE ALREADY CREATED.
UH, IF WE HAD TO MOVE, UH, CELL SITES FURTHER DOWN THE HILL, NEW ROADS MAY NEED TO BE CREATED, WHICH COULD IMPACT THE VIEW OF THE TRAIL.
UM, AND ADDITIONALLY, THE, THE ROLLOUT WOULD BE LIKELY BE SLOWER BECAUSE, UM, THE CARRIERS HAVE EXPRESSED IT IS EXPENSIVE TO BUILD THESE FACILITIES.
AND SO THEY MAY BE HAVING TO BUILD TWO OR THREE FACILITIES IN THE PLACE OF, OF ONE.
UM, OPTION C WOULD JUST BE AND OPTION D, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SIMILAR.
UM, OPTION C WOULD JUST SAY, UM, WE WON'T EXECUTE LEASES ON CITY OWNED LAND.
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STILL EXEMPT FROM THE RIDGELINE ORDINANCE.SO IN THOSE AREAS WHERE WE HAVE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE THAT MAY BE ON A RIDGE LINE, UM, IT COULD BE ALLOWED.
UM, THERE'S NOT TOO MANY OF THOSE PLACES AVAILABLE IN THE CITY.
UM, AND THEN LAST WOULD BE, UM, NO LEASES, NO RIDGE LINES, UM, WHICH WOULD ESSENTIALLY MOSTLY CURTAIL THE DEVELOPMENT OF MACRO SITES ON THE PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL WESTERN SIDE OF THE CITY.
UM, WE COULD HAVE MICRO CELLS THAT WOULD GO INTO COMMUNITIES, THERE WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE OF THEM TO EXTEND THE SIGNAL.
UM, BUT MICRO CELLS DON'T REALLY REPLACE A MACRO CELL.
AND SO THE SERVICE WOULD GENERALLY BE MORE DIFFICULT UNTIL OTHER MACRO CELLS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE AREA, SURROUNDING CITIES OR WHATEVER, WE'RE ABLE TO SORT OF FILL IN THE GAPS.
BUT I AM NOT AN RF ENGINEER OR AN EXPERT ON THAT SUBJECT.
WE, WE'D REALLY NEED THE CARRIERS TO WEIGH IN ON THAT.
UM, AND SO THAT, UH, CONCLUDES MY RATHER LENGTHY PRESENTATION.
UM, AND OF COURSE I'M AVAILABLE TO QUESTIONS.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE COUNCIL'S DIALOGUE AND PROVIDING DIRECTION TO STAFF, UH, ON THE MAIN TWO SUBJECTS OF, UH, SHOULD THE WIRELESS, UH, FACILITIES BE ABLE TO UTILIZE CITY OPEN SPACE SHOULD THE CITY COUNCIL CONTINUE TO LEASE THAT PROPERTY.
AND SECONDLY, UH, DOES THE RIDGELINE ORDINANCE APPLY OR NOT APPLY TO WIRELESS FACILITIES? OKAY.
DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING, RAY, BEFORE WE MOVE? YES, MR. MAYOR, REAL FAST.
UM, I WAS IN ORLANDO, FLORIDA PROBABLY ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO, AND I NOTICED THAT THEY HAD TOWERS, UH, FOR, FOR CELL CELL TOWERS, AND THEY WERE PROBABLY EXCESS OF 150 TO 200 FEET TALL.
AND THEY WERE BASICALLY IN COMMERCIAL AREAS OR THROUGHOUT THE ORLANDO, FLORIDA.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF SOMEBODY WAS TO PUT SOMETHING, WE'LL SAY THE COSTCO CENTER AND THEY NEEDED THE HEIGHTS OF ABOUT 200 FEET, COULD THEY DO THAT AT COSTCO? WELL, THE, THE CITY HAS SOME ABILITY TO REGULATE HEIGHT, SO, UM, SO WE DO HAVE, UH, ZONING STANDARDS FOR HEIGHT.
HOWEVER, THE CARRIER CAN REQUEST AN EXCEPTION TO OUR HEIGHT REQUIREMENT, AND THE CITY IS OBLIGATED TO REVIEW THAT REQUEST.
WE'RE, WE'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO, UM, APPROVE IT, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE REALLY GOOD REASONS WHY WE WOULD NOT APPROVE IT IN LIEU OF THE CARRIER'S REASONS WHY THEY NEED THAT HEIGHT TO EXTEND SERVICE.
SO, SO TYPICALLY THE CARRIER'S GOING TO, UM, PROVIDE THE HEIGHT THAT MEETS THE MINIMUM THAT THEY NEED TO EXTEND THEIR SERVICE AND NOT NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, EXTEND IT, UH, BECAUSE THEY CAN.
YOU SAID SOMETHING EARLIER, YOU SAID THAT, UH, ON OPEN SPACE THAT WE OWN, WE HAVE MORE OF A SAY SO CORRECT.
TO BUILD IT THE WAY WE WOULD, WE'D LIKE TO SEE IT AND LESS IF IT WAS ACTUALLY PRIVATE PROPERTY.
AND THEN ALSO, UM, YOU TALKED ABOUT BUY, RIGHT? UM, THE FCC, UH, THEY'RE CHANGING.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT AND OTHER CITIES ARE DOING THE SAME THING, WHAT, HOW DO YOU THINK THE LAWS COULD CHANGE? BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN LOSING OUR RIGHTS WHEN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BUY, RIGHT? IS THAT CORRECT? MM-HMM.
WELL, I, I THINK, UM, YOU, YOU, UH, YOU ACTUALLY REFERRED TO THE REGIONAL HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT PROCESS EARLIER, AND, AND I THINK THAT'S A EXAMPLE OF THE, THE CITIES COLLECTIVELY PUSHING BACK AGAINST THE STATE AND THEN THE STATE CREATING MORE AND MORE LEGISLATION THAT THAT OCCUPIES THAT FIELD AND, AND TRIES TO TAKE THE REG SOME OF THE REGULATORY ABILITY AWAY FROM THE CITIES.
UM, IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY A SIMILAR SITUATION.
I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY A SIMILAR SITUATION WITH WIRELESS TELECOMMUNICATION BECAUSE, UM, IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR INTERSTATE COMMERCE.
UM, THEY, UM, HAVE REALLY, VERY STRONGLY BEEN TRYING TO, AGAIN, USING THAT TERM, OCCUPYING THE FIELD TO WHERE THE CI CITIES, UM, AND LOCAL AGENCIES HAVE LESS AND LESS OF A SAY OF HOW THESE, BECAUSE THEY LOOK AT, AT IT AS SUCH AN IMPORTANT PUBLIC UTILITY, UM, NOWADAYS.
YOU WANNA MAKE ANY COMMENTS BEFORE WE, WE'VE GOT SOME SPEAKERS AND WE'VE GOT PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, MIKE, DO YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING NOW TO KIND OF PUT TOTAL PERSPECTIVE BEFORE WE HAVE SOME OF OUR, OUR, UH, RESIDENTS SPEAK UP? YES.
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EXCELLENT PRESENTATION.IT WAS AS THE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL AND, AND THANK YOU FOR INVITING US HERE.
WE WANTED SOME CLARITY IN THIS AREA ISSUE.
AND LET ME, UH, NOTE FIVE AREAS, UH, AND NOTE THAT I'M HERE AS AN INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER.
WE HAVE ALL COMMISSIONERS HERE, SO I'M NOT ATTEMPTING TO SPEAK THE INTENT OF THE COMMISSION.
I THINK COUNCILMAN, UH, BENNETT AND, UH, COUNCILMAN MARQUEZ, UH, HIT IT ON THE HEAD.
WE, WE NEED SOME CLARIFICATION OF, OF YOUR INTENT.
IT'S NOT ONLY WHETHER OR NOT THE PROTECTION ORDINANCE, UH, IS CORRECTLY INTERPRETED TO ALLOW IT OR NOT TO ALLOW IT.
IT'S WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO ALLOW IT LEGALLY, UH, OR NOT.
THERE IS, AND WE, UH, WE HAD, WE STRUGGLED, UH, WHEN WE FOUND OUT THAT, UH, THE INTERPRETATION OF THE EXISTING RESTRICTIONS, UH, WERE JUST THAT AN INTERPRETATION.
THERE WAS NOT AN EXPLICIT LANGUAGE THAT SAYS, YES, YOU CAN DO THIS.
BECAUSE AS, AS, UH, AS THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE SAID EARLIER, HER, THIS OR THIS PROTECTION OCCURRED IN 19 99, 19 99, UH, WHEN I WAS YOUNGER,
AND WITH THE VAST EXPANSION, THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS TECHNOLOGY, WE'VE HAD A VAST INCREASE IN PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AT PLANNING COMMISSIONS, WANTING TO KNOW WHAT WAS THE INTENT OF THE CITY IN WHETHER OR NOT THESE PROMINENT AND VERY PROMINENT RIDGE LINE RIDGE LINES SH UH, SHOULD BE PROTECTED.
SO WE DRILLED DOWN, YES, THERE'S BEEN, UH, UH, UM, CS APPROVED BEFORE WE DRILLED DOWN, BUT LET ME SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC COMING OUT AND, AND PRESSING ONE POINT, YOU, YOU TURN TO STAFF, YOU TURN TO WHETHER IT'S YOUR, YOUR POLICY STAFF OR YOUR LEGAL STAFF AND SAY, CAN YOU RESEARCH THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE? CAN YOU TELL IT? DOES IT APPLY WHEN IT COMES BACK? IT WAS AN INTERPRETATION.
AND IS THAT A WRITTEN INTERPRETATION? WE CAN LOOK THROUGH THE LOGIC.
NO, WE JUST KIND OF DID THAT OVER TIME.
SO THAT CON CONCERNED US, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE WITNESSED THE LEVEL OF PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, THE, UH, IN ON THESE MATTERS AND THE TIME SPENT BY THE APPLICANTS, THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, PERHAPS EVEN MORE THAN THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS THAT THEY WENT THROUGH TO, TO EVALUATE OTHER, OTHER SITES AND COME FORWARD.
SO WHILE I, I, I APPRECIATE REVIEWING THE LEASE, A LEASE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, BUT YOU, BUT THAT PROCESS PUTS THE COMMUNITY AND THE APPLICANTS THROUGH A VERY CONVOLUTED PROCESS.
THERE MAY OR MAY NOT BE A PARACHUTE AT THE END OF THAT FLIGHT.
IF YOU GET INTO TROUBLE, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'VE DONE THIS WORK, UH, AND, AND, UH, YOU FIND THAT, UH, THERE IS NO SAFE LANDING.
NOW THE QUESTION BECOMES, THERE'S CLEAR WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO AS A LOCAL GOVERNMENT IN THIS AREA.
UH, AND THE, THE LIST IS LONG, AND OFTENTIMES THAT'S 80% OF THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY YOU CAN'T IS REGARDING THE HEALTH EFFECTS OR OTHER THINGS THAT ARE NOT WITHIN THE REGULATORY AUTHORITY OF THE CITY.
AND YOU CAN ARGUE WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S GOOD OR BAD, BUT YOU CAN'T ARGUE THAT, THAT THAT DOESN'T EXIST.
SO WHAT IS NECESSARY, WELL, ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND, AS THE STAFF PRESENTED TO US AT THE COMMISSION, THE CITY OWNS THE BEST SITES NOW AVAILABLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CAN GO TO, UH, TO AN ALTERNATE SITE.
THAT SITE IS ALSO PUBLIC OPEN SPACE.
THAT'S ANOTHER PROMINENT RIDGE LINE.
THAT'S ANOTHER PROMINENT RIDGE LINE.
I THINK THIS ISSUE, UH, HAS TO BE BALANCED, HOWEVER, AND I THINK THE COMMISSION FEELS THIS WAY TOO.
AND THAT IS, THERE'S A BUNCH, THERE'S A LOT OF COMPETING INTERESTS HERE.
THERE IS THE COMPETING INTERESTS THAT IT'S AT THE VERY CORE OF OUR GENERAL PLAN.
IT'S CALLED THE VISION STATEMENT.
THE VERY CORE OF THAT GEN OF OUR GENERAL PLAN THAT STATES BOLDLY, I THINK, THE CITY COMMITMENT TO PRESERVE THE RURAL CHARACTER OF CHINO HILLS BY MAINTAINING AN EXTENSIVE SYSTEM OF PROTECTED OPEN SPACE, INCLUDING THE HILLS AND RIDGE LINES, WHICH PROVIDES
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A BACKDROP TO THE COMMUNITY'S RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AREAS.THAT VISION OF RIDGELINE AS AN AESTHETIC BACKDROP, THE FOUNDATION OF THE GENERAL PLAN, AND ALL THAT COMES OUTTA THAT MUST BE BALANCED AGAINST THE WIRELESS COMMUNICATIONS VITAL AND EXPANDING ROLE IN, IN OUR, IN OUR LIFE TODAY.
I KNOW THAT MY FAMILY USES FOUR G AND FIVE G.
AND WHEN, WHEN OUR SERVICE GOT WORSE AND WORSE AND WORSE, AND THE NUMBER OF BARS WENT DOWN FROM TWO TO ONE, AND WE TALKED TO OUR CELLULAR PROVIDERS, ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY HAD A BOOSTER THAT THEY SENT US A BOOSTER.
NOW WE GOT FOUR WITHOUT ADDING ANYTHING OUTSIDE OUR HOUSE.
NOW, LEASING CITY PROPERTY SELLER COMPANIES ALSO BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE.
COULD WE MAKE, COULD WE MAKE THE REQUIRED FINDING? COULD WE MAKE, IT'S NOT ONLY IS IT EXEMPT OR NOT EXEMPT FROM THE PROTECTION, UH, ORDINANCE, BUT WHETHER OR NOT, UH, WE COULD, UH, UH, MAKE THE POSITIVE FINDING, ALLOWING ACUP THAT, UH, FOR CELLULAR U USES ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT, UH, ADJACENT U USES WOULD NOT BE IMPACTED AND ADJACENT USES, WHETHER BE HIKING OR ADJACENT PROPERTIES WOULD NOT BE IMPACTED.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE, UH, ONE OF OUR AREAS THAT WE HAVE STALLED IN.
SO IN YOUR BALANCING YET TO BALANCE THE VISION OF THE GENERAL PLAN, YOU HAVE TO BA UH, OF COURSE BALANCE, UH, THE IMPORTANCE OF WIRELESS TECHNOLOGY TO OUR VERY LIVES.
AND YOU HAVE TO BALANCE THE ECONOMIC IMPACT.
A MATTER OF FACT, UH, LOOKING AT SOME OF THE LEAST RATES IS EQUIVALENT TO, UH, UH, UH, ONE OF THE BETTER.
UH, THE SALES TAX IMPACT IS EQUIVALENT TO, UH, A VERY HIGH QUALITY, POPULAR, UH, SIT DOWN RESTAURANT WHEN YOU STARTED TALKING ABOUT 50 OR $60,000 IN MUNICIPAL SALES, TAX REVENUE.
THOSE ARE THE BALANCING INTERESTS THAT, THAT YOU HAVE WHAT WE WANT FROM THE COMMISSION.
FROM THE COMMISSION, I, UH, IS CLEAR GUIDANCE AS AS TO THE OPTIONS.
YOU DO, UH, AND, UH, THE COMMISSION HAS HAD NO COLLECTIVE, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THOSE.
SO I, I'M, I WON'T ATTEMPT TO SAY WHICH IS RIGHT AT THIS POINT, BUT I'LL LET MY OTHER COLLEAGUES SHOULD, UH, UH, SHOULD THEY WISH TO WEIGH IN ON THIS.
ANY OTHER COLLEAGUES WISH TO SPEAK? YES,
ONE OF OUR THINGS THAT WE STRUGGLED WITH WAS, THIS PARTICULAR ONE WAS A VERY PROMINENT RIDGE LINE, AND THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE APPROVED WERE JUST PROMINENT.
AND WE FELT LIKE MAYBE WE'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO THE WISHES OF OUR, CERTAINLY OUR COMMUNITY.
OUR BY WORD, IS THAT WE ARE THIS DUTIFUL RURAL COMMUNITY AND PUTTING UP SO MANY, MAYBE WE'VE GOTTA REALLY AT LEAST SAVE SOME OF THEM.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE SAVING THE VERY PROMINENT ONES.
BUT THAT'S WHERE THERE IS NO GUIDANCE.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD LIKE GUIDANCE ON.
WE AGREE THEY NEED TO BE PROTECTED.
WE AGREE THAT THE, THE TOWERS ARE VERY BADLY NEEDED 'CAUSE THEY ARE USED BY THE POLICE, THEY'RE USED BY THE FIRE WHEN THERE'S AN EMERGENCY.
THAT'S THE LINES THAT GET THROUGH FOR US AND WE'VE GOT TO HAVE 'EM, BUT WHERE DO WE PUT THEM? AND THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR CONCERN.
RE JERRY, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? I SEE YOU HAVE NOTES IN YOUR HAND.
UH, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING THE PLANNING COMMISSION HERE JOINTLY.
HOPEFULLY, UM, AS OTHER ISSUES COME UP THAT ARE LAND USE RELATED, UH, WE CAN DO THE SAME THING.
UM, MIKE PRESENTED, UM, MY POINTS VERY WELL.
UM, I WOULD ASK A QUESTION THOUGH OF STAFF, 'CAUSE I HEARD SOMETHING THAT THAT DIDN'T JIVE THROUGH.
UM, IT, IT WAS SAID THAT, AND, AND I'M NOT DISPUTING
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THE FACT THAT THE CITY HAS EVERY OPPORTUNITY, EVERY RIGHT TO ENTER INTO A LEASE WITH SOMEONE.MM-HMM,
THAT'S WHAT GOES BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND IN THAT CUP APPLICATION IS A WHOLE LOT OF INFORMATION, SOME OF IT INCLUDING, UM, UH, HOW THESE SITES WILL LOOK, UH, VERY SPECIFIC DETAILED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, ET CETERA.
SO IS THERE SOMETHING IN THE LEAST THAT GOES BEYOND WHAT THE AGENCIES THERE? THERE ARE, AND SOME OF IT GETS INTO WHEN THEY COME IN AND, AND WE'VE SEEN THIS THROUGH THE YEARS, IS AS THEY COME INTO UPDATE THEIR TECHNOLOGY, UM, WHICH OFTEN MEANS REPLACING A FAIR AMOUNT OF IT, WHICH MAY CHANGE THE SIZE, THE LOOK OF IT, ET CETERA, THAT THE LEASES GIVE US QUITE A BIT MORE, UM, RIGHTS.
THEY GIVE US A LOT MORE RIGHTS THAN JUST THE WHAT THE CUP IS.
SO THAT'S ONE AREA IN PARTICULAR THAT THEY, THEY PROVIDE A LOT MORE RIGHTS TO THE CITY IF, IF IT CHANGED THE, THE CONDITION OF USE PERMIT CONDITION STATES THAT ANY CHANGES IN THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OR SITE DESIGN WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK FOR A REVISION TO CAP.
WELL, AGAIN, THOUGH, IF LET'S, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CITY OWNED PROPERTY, UM, THAT, AND THAT, THAT CONDITION ALSO BECOMES POSSIBLE BECAUSE IT'S CITY OWNED PROPERTY AND WE HAVE THESE LEASES, SO THEY DO TIE TOGETHER.
UM, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT CITY LEASE, AND THEN I WOULD BE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, WHETHER THE LAW, FEDERAL LAW, STATE LAW MIGHT EVISCERATE SOME OF THOSE CONDITIONS.
UM, SO I DO THINK THE LEASES ARE IMPORTANT AS FAR AS, UM, BACKING UP THE CITY'S LEGAL RIGHTS.
OH, AND A LOT OF TIMES THERE ARE IDENTICAL PROVISIONS IN BOTH.
I THINK THE, IN THE CONDITIONS AND IN THE THE LEASES ARE LICENSES THAT WE USE.
BUT, UM, I, WELL, I, YEAH, I TOTALLY AGREE.
FINANCIAL ARRANGEMENTS, ET CETERA.
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO THE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF.
FOR ONE, I THINK YOU OUGHT TO HEAR FROM, FROM THE PUBLIC FIRST BEFORE YOU HEAR FROM, FROM COMMISSIONERS ON THAT.
UM, I, I DO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITY COUNCIL SETS POLICY, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES NOT SET POLICY.
AND SO WHAT DO WE HAVE A FORCE IN TERMS OF CELL SITES? WELL, WE HAVE THE ORDINANCE 1 21, WHICH SPECIFIES WHAT IS WHAT, WHAT CAN GO ON A RIDGE LINE, WHAT ARE RIDGE LINES AND WHAT ARE EXCEPTIONS? AND OUR, OUR ISSUE WAS WHEN YOU READ A LIST OF EXCEPTIONS IN AN ORDINANCE THAT YOU SET AS POLICY, IF IT'S IN THE EXCEPTIONS, LIKE A RESERVOIR, LIKE A TRAIL, THOSE ARE EXEMPT PRETTY EASY.
BUT WHEN IT'S NOT LISTED THERE, AND IT COMES BEFORE US AS ACUP, I START TO HAVE QUESTIONS THAT, WELL, IF IT'S, IT'S PLANNING 1 0 1, IF IT'S NOT PERMITTED USE OR IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A LIST OF PERMITTED USES, IF IT'S NOT ON THAT LIST, IT'S NOT PERMITTED.
SAME THING WITH THE EXCEPTIONS.
IF IT'S NOT ON THERE AND CELL SITES ARE NOT ON THERE, THEN IN MY BELIEF, I WOULD SAY THAT YOUR DIRECTION WOULD'VE BEEN NO, THEY ARE NOT EXEMPT.
IF, IF THE POLICY CHANGES, THAT'S WONDERFUL.
MY ISSUE WAS STAFF HAS THE RIGHT TO INTERPRET.
PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE RIGHT TO INTERPRET TOO, IF AN ISSUE, AND THIS IS A BIG ISSUE, RIGHT? RIDGE LINES, EVERYBODY'S CONCERNED ABOUT RIDGE LINES.
SO WHEN THAT ISSUE CAME UP AND THE STAFF LOOKED YEARS AGO AT THE ORDINANCE AND IT SAID, WELL, IT'S NOT EXEMPT, THEN STAFF SAYS, WELL, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE, UM, DETERMINATIONS.
INTERPRETATIONS, WELL, THEY COULD HAVE SENT IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, PLANNING COMM COMMISSION COULD HAVE MADE A RECOMMENDATION AND SENT IT TO THE COUNCIL, AND THE COUNCIL HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHANGE THEIR POLICY.
WHAT WE FOUND WAS THAT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
AND I WOULD HOPE THAT AS WE GET INTO UPDATING OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE, WE START LOOKING AT SOME OF THE PROCEDURAL PROCESSES, UH, THAT MIGHT HELP, SUCH AS IF STAFF MAKES AN INTERPRETATION OF SOMETHING THAT'S IN A CODIFIED, UH, RULE THAT HAS SET, BEEN SET FORTH BY THE CITY COUNCIL, THEN IT OUGHT TO BE IN WRITING AND MAYBE IT EVEN NEEDS TO BE THEN CODIFIED AT SOME POINT AT THE NEXT TIME THE CODE'S UPDATED.
THAT WOULD HAVE RESOLVED THIS ISSUE ENTIRELY.
UM, THE LAST THING I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH IS, I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING IS FOR ME IS I WANT TO
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UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU AS A COUNCIL WANT AS THE POLICY REGARDING RIDGE LINES AND REGARDING CELL SITES.WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE ON CELL SITES.
YOU KNOW, IT REQUIRES A REVIEW OF THE SITE, IT REVIEW, IT REVIEWS, UH, HOW MUCH, UH, OF THE AREA IS GOING TO BE COVERED BY THIS NEW CELL SITE.
IT GOES OVER THE ARCHITECTURE, IT GOES OVER MAINTENANCE, IT GOES OVER CHANGES.
SO WE DO A GOOD JOB ON IF SOMEONE WANTS A CELL SITE, WHAT'S IT GONNA BE? WHAT'S IT GONNA LOOK LIKE THAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE.
WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE ON RIDGE LINES.
I THINK IT'S CLEAR, BUT IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT, WE'RE HERE TO IMPLEMENT WHAT YOU WANT.
BUT I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT ONCE YOU COME UP WITH A POLICY AND YOU ADOPT A POLICY THAT WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW, AND THE, AND THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTANDS THAT'S YOUR POLICY, THAT YOU STAND BEHIND IT.
RECENTLY, WE'VE HAD THE ISSUES THAT ACUP COMES BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE APPROVE OR DENY IT AUTOMATICALLY.
ALL OF OUR ACTIONS AUTOMATICALLY GO ON YOUR NEXT AGENDA.
SO IF TWO MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL WISH THEY CAN PULL IT UP FOR SEPARATE REVIEW AT A LATER DATE, WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING IS THE CUP GETS MERGED WITH THE, UH, LEASE AGREEMENT.
AND YOU NEVER, YOU NEVER HEAR, NOR DOES THE PUBLIC REALLY WHO COMES OUT TO HEAR WHAT ARE YOU GONNA MAKE, WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT'S YOUR FACTS AND REASONS FOR APPROVING OR DENYING THE CUP, THE CELL SITE.
NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU DISCUSS ALL THAT, BUT THEN YOU DENY THE LEASE, WHICH THEN DENIES THE CUPI.
TO ME, IT'S A LITTLE DISINGENUOUS.
THE APPLICANT HAS LISTENED TO YOU, READ YOUR POLICY, READ THE CODE, READ THAT YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, RECENTLY THAT YOU WANTED TO HAVE THESE IN OPEN SPACE.
HE DOES ALL OF THAT, COMPLIES WITH THE CODE, WORKS WITH STAFF, SPENDS TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AND EN NUMERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME TO GET THESE THINGS THROUGH.
AND THEN IT'S JUST LIKE, WELL, THE DOESN'T MATTER.
WE'RE JUST GONNA DEAL WITH THE LEASE.
SO I, I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY CLEAR ON WHAT THE POLICY IS AND THEN LET'S ALL IMPLEMENT IT AND SAY IT BEHIND IT.
WHY DON'T WE TURN TO OUR, OUR, UH, COMMUNITY TO SEE WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY.
OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS JOHN BLAKELY.
JOHN, ARE YOU SAYING IT'S ABOUT TIME WE'VE GOT TO, THIS HAD BEEN A LONG NIGHT ALREADY.
MR. MAYOR? YES, MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, COMMISSIONERS.
UM, JUST TO REITERATE A LITTLE BIT, UM, EXCUSE ME, ARE YOU BOTH THE, CAN I ASK SOMETHING QUICK? ARE YOU RESIDENT CODE SECTION, IS HE A RESIDENT HOLD FOR THE WIRELESS FACILITIES? HOLD ON, PLEASE.
OH, CAN I ASK, ARE YOU A RESIDENT? I AM.
OVER AT, UM, RANCHO HILLS DRIVE.
I'VE LIVED IN THE COMMUNITY FOR APPROXIMATELY 25 YEARS.
UM, JUST TO GET TO, WE CAN START ALL OVER THE, SORRY, I DIDN'T KNOW IF HE WAS REPRESENTING THE PROVIDER OR NOT.
UM, IN, IN TERMS OF MAJOR FACIL WIRELESS FACILITIES, IT'S CODIFIED AT SECTION 16.4 4.060.
UM, ALSO, UM, UH, THE BASIS FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF A CONDITIONAL U USE PERMIT IS CODIFIED AT 16.68050.
BOTH OF THOSE SECTIONS, UH, PROVIDE THAT THE PRO PROPOSED CONDITIONAL USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE GENERAL PLAN.
THE, THE CITY'S WEBSITE IN REGARDS TO THE GENERAL PLAN INDICATES THAT THE GENERAL PLAN ESTABLISHES GOALS AND OBJECTIVES TO GUIDE DECISION MAKING BY CITY OFFICIALS AND STAFF.
FURTHER GOES ON, THE GENERAL PLAN IS BASED ON THE COMMUNITY VISION FOR THE FUTURE, FROM THE TIME OF ITS INCORPORATION, CHINO HILLS IS ENVISIONED ITSELF TO COMMUNITY WITH HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE SURROUNDED BY HILLSIDES.
IF WE LOOK AT THE GENERAL PLAN, UM, UNDER LAND USE ACTION, LU 1.1 0.2 SAYS THAT WE SHOULD DISCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT FROM OBSTRUCTING PUBLIC VIEWS OF EXTREMELY PROMINENT RIDGE LINES, PROMINENT RIDGE LINES IN KNOWLES.
FURTHERMORE, UM, ACTION U2 0.1 UM, INDICATES THAT, UH, IT'S THE POLICY TO CONTINUE TO PROTECT CITY DESIGNATED EXTREMELY PROMINENT RIDGE LINES, PROMINENT RIDGE LINES AND KNOWLES FROM INTRUSION BY DEVELOPMENT.
AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT AN INTERPRETATION OR GUIDANCE OR POLICY, THIS IS WHERE WE LOOK TO DISCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT ON PROMINENT RIDGE LINES, CONTINUE TO PRESERVE THE RURAL COMMUNITY.
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WOULD RESPECTFULLY, UM, DISAGREE THAT THERE'S A BALANCING ACT ON THE UTILITY OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT VERSUS DISCOURAGING DEVELOPMENT.I'VE, I'VE READ THROUGH THE GENERAL PLAN AND I DON'T SEE ANY SUCH BALANCING TESTS.
I THINK IT GIVES THE CITY OFFICIALS AND CITY, CITY STAFF SPECIFIC GUIDELINES.
THOSE ARE DISCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT AND CONTINUE TO PRESERVE THE RIDGE LINES.
AND I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO USE THIS AS YOUR GUIDELINE.
IT'S BEEN IN, IN THE COMMUNITY FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
THERE'S NOTHING TO BE INTERPRETED.
IF YOU GUYS LEAVE, THERE'S NOT A REINTERPRETATION OF IT.
WE'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THIS AND IT'S IN, AND WE WANT TO PRESERVE THOSE RIDGE LINES.
NEXT WE HAVE KATHLEEN, KATHLEEN, ELDER BLAKELY.
THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT.
HI, MY NAME IS KATHLEEN ELDER BLAKELY.
I'VE LIVED IN THE COMMUNITY FOR OVER 26 YEARS.
I'M GONNA TRY TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AND THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN THROWN OUT AT RECENTLY.
WHEN WE APPEARED ON AUGUST 15TH AT THE FIRST HEARING FOR THIS PROJECT ALONG THE RIDGEVIEW TRAIL, THE QUESTION CAME UP AFTER SEVERAL CITIZENS, INCLUDING MYSELF, INDICATED THAT WE WALKED THIS TRAIL MANY TIMES.
YOU CAN SEE IT FROM CVS, YOU CAN SEE IT FROM ENGLISH SPRINGS PARK.
PEOPLE COME FROM OTHER CITIES TO WALK THIS TRAIL.
WE ARE TOLD YOU ARE SO LUCKY THAT YOUR CITY IS PRESERVING THIS.
UM, WHEN WE CAME TO THAT MEETING THOUGH, NOWHERE DID THE STAFF INDICATE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT THIS WAS A PROMINENT PROTECTED RIDGE LINE.
IT WASN'T UNTIL THE COMMISSIONERS STATED, WHAT IS IT SO SPECIAL ABOUT THIS RIDGE LINE? ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE COMING HERE TONIGHT TO TELL US THE MEETING WAS PUT OVER AND THAT'S WHEN ALL OF US STARTED LOOKING INTO IT.
AND THAT'S WHEN WE DISCOVERED THIS IS A PROMINENT PROTECTED RIDGE LINE.
SO TONIGHT, WHEN YOU'RE DECIDING, OH, YOU'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST ON THE MADRE GA, IF YOU GO BACK AND WATCH THE TAPE, IT WAS NEVER PRESENTED BY CITY STAFF THAT IT'S A PROMINENT, UH, RIDGE LINE.
REALLY QUICK, IF WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT OF 1996, YOU GUYS HAVE TWO THINGS, TWO THINGS THAT YOU CAN DECIDE ON IN REGARDS TO THESE TOWERS.
WHY ARE WE GIVING THEM OUR PROMINENT PROTECTED RIDGE LINES? WE DON'T HAVE TO, WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE IT COST EFFICIENT AND WE DON'T HAVE TO GIVE 'EM OUR RIDGE LINES.
THEY NEED TO FIND THE SPOTS THAT THEY CAN MAKE IT WORK.
THE OTHER THING IS, I'VE BEEN TOLD IT'S NO BIG DEAL.
IN REGARDS TO SECTION, UH, THE FC 64 0 9, THAT WAS DONE IN 2012, MODIFIED IN 2014 AND EXPLAINED TO US IN 2000 AND, UH, 2020, IT STATES THAT THESE TOWERS DO GROW.
THESE TOWERS WILL GROW BY, UH, MORE THAN 10% OR 20 FEET, WHICHEVER IS GREATER.
UH, THEY CAN ALSO EXPAND TO 30 FEET WIDER.
THAT'S FOR FIVE G, AND THEY CAN ADD UP TO FOUR ADDITIONAL PANELS.
ONCE SIX G COMES, THEY'LL EXPAND MORE.
SO THESE TOWERS ARE NOT STAYING THIS SMALL SIZE.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT ANOTHER SEE SITUATION WHERE ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE GONNA TURN AND SAY, MY GOD, WHAT HAVE WE DONE THERE? THE TOWER THAT'S GOING IN IS ONLY FOUR GI SUPPLIED YOU WITH A MAP ON THIS MAP ALSO IN REGARDS TO THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT OF 2000.
AND AM I EVEN GONNA GET INTO THAT? WHAT I'M GONNA SAY IS WE CANNOT PREJUDICE.
IF YOU TAKE A LOOK, I KNOW YOU HAVE AN ORDINANCE.
YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THERE'S A SETBACK OF A THOUSAND FEET.
THE FCC CAN PREEMPT THAT AND THEY CAN DO THAT UNDER THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT.
YOU HAVE AN EXEMPTION TO THAT ORDINANCE.
AND IN THAT ORDINANCE YOU EVEN SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW FEDERAL AND STATE.
I'VE OUTLINED HERE IN REGARDS TO T-MOBILE WILL TAKE ONE OF THE SPOTS THAT AT AND T HAS DONE AT WILL TAKE THIS SPOT, VERIZON BOOST SPECTRUM.
ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CHANGE ALL THE LOGOS.
YOU, YOU HAVE A BEAUTIFUL LOGO.
WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO START PUTTING CELL TOWER ALONG ALL OUR LOGOS.
YEAH, HE'S, HE'S, HE'S VERY SWEET.
UM, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK TONIGHT.
I AM JIM SHUFFLER, A RETIRED ENGINEER WHO HAS RAISED MY FAMILY IN CHINO HILLS OVER THE LAST 36 YEARS.
THIS IS MY FIRST TIME PRESENTING
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TO THE COUNCIL.I'M NOT SURE WHY I NEED TO CONVINCE ANYONE HOW BEAUTIFUL THE RIDGE LINES IN CHINO HILLS AND WHAT THEY MEAN TO ITS RESIDENTS.
I THOUGHT THE CODE OF ORDINANCES WERE QUITE CLEAR WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING OUR PROMINENT RIDGES AND WHY.
IN FACT, YOU KNOW, HILLS HAS QUITE A HISTORY OF PROTECTING ITS UNIQUE TOPOGRAPHY.
IT HAS PREVENTED SUCCESSFULLY REMOVAL OF THE SEE TOWERS THAT YOU HEARD TONIGHT.
UM, THE CITY EVEN PENALIZES ITS RESIDENTS WHO ENCROACH ON ITS TRAILS AND OPEN SPACE IN ORDER TO PROTECT ITS NATURAL ENVIRONMENTS.
THE CITY FOUNDERS EMPHASIZED THE GENERAL FUND, AS YOU HEARD, TO, UH, TO ENHANCE THE NATURAL FEATURES.
I ALSO WAS TOLD TONIGHT THAT THERE WAS A CITIZEN'S APPROVED MEASURE THAT WAS APPROVED THAT PROHIBITED RIDGELINE DEVELOPMENT AND QUOTE, EVEN A DOGHOUSE.
UM, THE ORDINANCE WAS ESTABLISHED AS THEN TO PREVENT NEW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE RIDGE LINES.
BUT FOR MY SIMPLISTIC UNDERSTANDING, IF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WAS TO BE RESTRICTED ON PROMINENT RIDGE LINES, THEN CELL SHELLS, CELL TOWERS SHOULD ALSO BE RESTRICTED BECAUSE I DON'T SEE MUCH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.
THEY BOTH ARE MANMADE LARGE STRUCTURES.
THE CELL TOWERS ARE ABOUT THE SIZE THAT OF THIS ROTUNDA, YOU KNOW, IT'S 28 FEET IN DIAMETER.
IT'S 30 FEET TALL, IT'S 30 BY 30.
IT'S BIGGER THAN THIS AREA, ALMOST.
UH, THEY BOTH REQUIRE UTILITIES SUCH AS POWER AND WATER.
THEY HAVE ROOFS, WALLS, INTERNALS, STRUCTURES, FENCES, LANDSCAPING, DRAINAGE.
THEY BOTH REQUIRE PERIODIC MAINTENANCE.
THEREFORE, CELL TOWERS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES, AND THEY WILL PROLIFERATE ACROSS ALL THE PROMINENT RIDGES IN CHINO HILLS IF ALLOWED.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE RIDGE LINES PROTECTION ORDINANCE WAS MEANT TO PREVENT.
THE RIDGE LINE ORDINANCE PROHIBITS NOT JUST RESIDENTIAL AND CELL TOWERS, BUT ANY DEVELOPMENT.
I UNDERSTAND THE CELL TOWERS ARE IMPORTANT IN TODAY'S SOCIETY, BUT SO IS OUR CITY'S NATURAL BEAUTY.
THAT BEAUTY SHOULD BE PRESERVED FOR OUR FUTURE GENERATIONS, ESPECIALLY WHEN SURROUNDED BY SO MUCH URBAN SPRAWL.
I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER SOLUTIONS TO THIS PROBLEM.
OUR CITY HAS A LOT OF OPEN SPACE BY BUILDING MORE CELL TOWERS ON NON PROMINENT RIDGES AND INCENTIVIZING THE, THE CELL COMPANIES TO BUILD IN THESE AREAS BY POSSIBLY REDUCING THE RENTAL COST.
UH, IT COULD BE A GREAT COMPROMISE, IT SEEMS OTHER CELL COMPANIES ARE SUCCESSFULLY USING THIS COMPROMISE APPROACH SINCE I LIVE IN A COVERAGE GAP AREA AND USE A CELL SERVICE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A PROMINENT, UM, UH, A CELL TOWER ON A PROMINENT RIDGE TO ACHIEVE HIGH SPEED DATA COVERAGE.
THANK YOU FOR KEEPING OUR RIDGE LINE ORDINANCE INTACT AND ALSO THE, THE SIMULATED VIEWS, UH, ARE KIND OF MISLEADING IN THOSE, UH, OTHER PICTURES.
BUT ANYHOW, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
HI, UH, MY NAME IS SYLVIA SCHEFFLER AND I'M A 31 YEAR RESIDENT OF CHINO HILLS.
MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE RAISED THREE CHILDREN HERE.
WE'VE ALWAYS KNOWN THAT CHINO HILLS IS A VERY SPECIAL PLACE TO LIVE.
WE KNEW THAT CHINO HILLS HAD AN ORDINANCE THAT PROHIBITED BUILDING ON PROMINENT RIDGES.
WHEN MY HUSBAND AND I HEARD THAT A CELL COMPANY WANTED TO TAKE, UH, WANTED TO PUT A STEALTH FAKE WATER TOWER ON A PROTECTED PROMINENT RIDGE LINE, WE KNEW WE HAD TO SPEAK OUT.
HOW MANY OF YOU DRIVE DOWN THE FREEWAY AND EASILY SPOT A STEALTH CELL TOWER DISGUISED AS A TREE OR WATER TOWER? THEY LOOK NOTHING LIKE REAL TREES OR REAL WATER TOWERS.
WHAT GIVES THEM AWAY? COULD IT BE THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE OR THE SHRUBBERY SURROUNDING IT? BUILDING A LARGE 30 FOOT, UH, TOWER OR HIGHER WITH A 30 FOOT BY 30 FOOT GREEN FENCE AROUND? IT WILL BE A BLIGHT ON OUR PROMINENT RIDGE.
NO MATTER HOW YOU TRY TO DISGUISE IT FROM MOST OF THE YEAR.
THE HILLSIDE ON RIDGEVIEW IS BROWN.
UM, AND I WANTED TO SAY THAT SMARTPHONES ARE KIND OF MAKING US DUMBER A LITTLE BIT.
OKAY? I REMEMBER HAVING TO PRE-PLAN MY DRIVES USING A THOMAS GUIDE.
I'M NOT SURE IF MY KIDS WOULD KNOW HOW TO READ A THOMAS GUIDE.
THEY JUST PLUG THE ADDRESS IN THEIR PHONES, GPS AND OFF THEY GO.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS, BATTERIES DIE.
UM, RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST AT AND T THAT WANTS TO BUILD HERE, BUT THERE ARE MANY OTHER COMPANIES OUT THERE.
WE COULD END UP WITH MANY TOWERS ON OUR RIDGE LINES.
I FIND IT IRONIC THAT HOUSES IN MY AREA ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE A TV ANTENNA ON THE ROOF BECAUSE IT, BECAUSE OF ITS UNNATURAL APPEARANCE, YET A CELL TOWER ON A PROMINENT RIDGE
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MAY BE ALLOWED.PLEASE DON'T ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN ON ANY OF OUR PROMINENT RIDGES.
THE BEAUTY OF THE HILLS IS WHAT THIS CITY IS KNOWN FOR.
THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO HEAR ME OUT.
HELLO, UM, MY NAME'S ALICIA STRAUS.
I'M, I'M, UH, HERE REPRESENTING AT AND T.
UM, I KNOW MOST OF YOU RECOGNIZE ME FROM THE HEARING, THE LAST COUPLE HEARINGS AS WELL, UM, FOR THE, UH, FOR THE BRIDGE LINE, UM, SITE.
UH, I, SO I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF AT AND T KIND OF HELPING TO HOPEFULLY ANSWER POTENTIALLY ANY QUESTIONS, UM, THAT YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE.
UM, BUT I DEFINITELY DO WANNA APPRECIATE, UH, ALL THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, AS WELL AS YVETTE AND THE PLANNING STAFF WHO'VE BEEN EXTREMELY HELPFUL.
UM, THEY'VE BEEN MENTIONING, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND EFFORT THAT GOES INTO THESE PROJECTS.
UM, MOST OF THESE PROJECTS WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR OVER A YEAR WITH THE STAFF, UM, WORKING THROUGH GOING, UH, YOU KNOW, THROUGH DIFFERENT CORRECTIONS, GOING THROUGH LANDSCAPING, GOING THROUGH NUMEROUS SETS OF CORRECTIONS, TRYING TO GO THROUGH IT.
UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S PART OF MY JOB AND I'M, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT.
UM, WE ARE ALWAYS MORE THAN HAPPY TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND TO MAKE SURE, ESPECIALLY ON CITY PROPERTY, THAT IT'S THE BEST LOOKING SITE AND PO POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY THAT WE CAN PROVIDE TO THEM.
UM, I DID WANNA MENTION A COUPLE OPTIONS THOUGH, OR THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP.
UM, I KNOW THAT THEY WERE MENTIONING, UH, ABOUT THE HEIGHT AND POTENTIALLY GOING OVER THE HEIGHT.
UM, THAT THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS ARE, WE ALWAYS TRY AND STAY WITHIN WHAT THE CITY'S HEIGHT MAX IS.
UM, AND 35 FEET IS ONE OF THE LOWER SIDES OF FROM WHAT MOST JURISDICTIONS.
THEY'D HAVE A COMMERCIAL OR A MANUFACTURING OR INDUSTRIAL ZONE THAT USUALLY HAS CAPABILITIES OF 60 AND 70 A HUNDRED FEET, DEPENDING ON THE SCENARIO.
UM, EVEN THE, OBVIOUSLY THE COUNTY OF SAN BERNARDINO HAS DIFFERENT RESTRICTIONS.
OBVIOUSLY RESIDENTIAL ALWAYS HAS EITHER VERY STRICT OR IS NOT ALLOWED.
UM, AND SO TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE COVERAGE IN THOSE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES, THE ONLY OPTIONS IN THE CITY OF CHINO HILLS IS ON BASICALLY ON CITY OWNED PROPERTIES.
AS, AS COMMISSIONER MIKE, UH, MENTIONED, UM, WHETHER THEY'RE ON PARKS, WHETHER THEY'RE AT, UH, UM, RESERVOIRS AND LIKE THEY MENTIONED, THE RESERVOIRS ACTUALLY HAVE QUITE A FEW CELL SITES ON THEM ALREADY OR HAVE MINIMAL OPTIONS.
UM, SO WE, UH, WE REALLY ARE TRYING TO PROVIDE THE BEST OPTION AND THE BEST OPPORTUNITY WHILE STAYING WITHIN THE RULES.
UM, SO WE'RE NOT GOING THROUGH A VARIANCE OR AN EXCEPTION PROCESS BECAUSE THEN OBVIOUSLY WE OPEN OURSELVES UP TO EVEN FURTHER CRITICISM THAN INITIALLY.
UM, I WANTED TO ALSO, UH, REFERENCE THE 64 0 9, WHICH IS THE, UH, UM, THE OPPORTUNITY THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PUT INTO PLACE ABOUT THE EXTENDING 10% OR 20 FEET.
UM, SO ALL OF THE AT T CELL SITES, I CAN'T NECESSARILY SPEAK FOR OTHER CARRIERS.
WE ONLY DESIGN OUR GROUND EQUIPMENT AREA FOR THE MAX AMOUNT THAT WE NEED.
UM, SO IF ANOTHER CARRIER WANTED TO COME IN, IT WOULD STILL BE UP TO THE DISCRETION OF THE CITY TO ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL LEASE AREA FOR ANOTHER CARRIER.
SO IT WOULDN'T BE FEDERALLY ALLOWED.
I MEAN, THEY COULD TRY AND RAISE THE TOWER, BUT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE ANY GROUND SPACE TO PLACE IT.
SO, UM, I HOPE I ANSWERED
AND IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
CHRIS WINKLE, THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS AND, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THIS EVENING.
I'D LIKE TO THANK IN PARTICULAR COUNCIL MEMBER CYNTHIA MORAN, UH, WHO TOOK THE TIME TO RESPOND TO THE LETTER THAT MY WIFE AND I PREPARED.
UH, EACH DAY DOZENS OF HIKERS AND FAMILIES, UH, AND CHINO HILL RESIDENTS ENJOY THE PRISTINE BEAUTY OF OUR RIDGELINE TRAIL.
UH, THE SITE OF THE PROPOSED AT AND T WIRELESS COMMUNICATION FACILITY, DIESEL GENERATOR AND PARKING AREA, ARE ON A PROMINENT RIDGE LINE WITH BREATHTAKING VIEWS OF THE CHINO VALLEY AND THE SAN GABRIEL MOUNTAIN RANGE.
MY WIFE AND I WHO HIKE ALMOST DAILY ON THE CHINO HILLS TRAILS HAVE ENJOYED EN ENGAGING WITH FAMILIES, WALKING WITH CHILDREN, PHOTOGRAPHERS, UH, ARTISTS, AND EVEN TOURISTS WHO VISIT OUR SPECTACULAR RIDGELINE TRAILS TO TAKE IN THE VIEW THE CHEETO HILLS FOUNDERS NOTED THAT OUR CITY DERIVES MUCH OF ITS CHARACTER FROM THE HILLSIDE SETTINGS AND DIVERSE TOPOGRAPHY.
OUR CITY'S GENERAL PLAN EMPHASIZES PRESERVATION AND ENHANCEMENT OF THE NATURAL FEATURES WHICH CONTRIBUTE, UH, TO THESE SCENIC ATTRIBUTES.
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THE UNIQUE VISUAL RESOURCES OF CHINO HILLS.PLEASE CONSIDER OUR CHINO HILLS FOUNDERS VISION TO PROTECT OUR BEAUTIFUL RIDGE LINES AND NOT APPROVE THE WIRELESS COMMUNICATION FACILITIES ON OUR VISTA POINTS.
WITH TWO PREVIOUS PLANNING COMMISSIONING MEETINGS, THERE HASN'T BEEN ONE PERSON IN THE COMMUNITY TO COME AND TO SPEAK UP TO APPROVE THE AT T CELL TOWER ON THE RIDGEVIEW, UH, TRAIL SITE, MANY COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE ENTHUSIASTICALLY OPPOSED THIS AESTHETIC BLIGHT.
PLEASE JOIN YOUR COMMUNITY TO PROTECT OUR RIDGE LINES AND PRESERVE OUR VISTA POINTS FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.
OUR FINAL SPEAKER CARD IS TIM BROWN.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS TIM BROWN WITH CROWN CASTLE.
WE ARE A TELECOMMUNICATIONS INFRASTRUCTURE PROVIDER, UM, ONE OF THE NATION'S BIGGEST AND THE BIGGEST PROVIDER OF SMALL CELLS TECHNOLOGY.
WE BUILD EXTENSIVELY ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE.
OUR CLIENTS ARE AT AND T, VERIZON DISH NETWORK AND T-MOBILE.
I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
IT'S AN IMPORTANT ISSUE AND ONE THAT I THINK REQUIRES, UM, SOME PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT IT IS THAT REALLY DRIVES THESE INITIATIVES.
ULTIMATELY, AND THIS IS A DIFFICULT PILL TO SWALLOW.
WHAT DRIVES THESE BUILDS ARE THE RESIDENTS THEMSELVES, RIGHT? THE USE OF THEIR PHONES, THE NEED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY CONNECTIVITY, INCREASED DATA USAGE.
AND EVEN THOUGH MANY RESIDENTS ARE CONCERNED, AND, AND BELIEVE ME, I LOVE PRISTINE RIDGE LINES, NATURE, THAT'S ALL BEAUTIFUL.
BUT WHEN EVERY RESIDENT GOES HOME AND THEY'RE GONNA GET ON THEIR PHONES AND AT THE END OF THIS MONTH, THEY'RE ALL GONNA PAY THEIR CELLULAR BILLS, 99.9% OF THEM ARE GONNA CONTINUE TO CELLULAR PHONES.
AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE PROVIDERS HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE THE BEST POSSIBLE SERVICE.
SO WHAT DRIVES THESE TOWER BUILDS ARE THE RESIDENTS THEMSELVES WITH THEIR OWN DATA DEMANDS.
AND THAT'S AN UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTH.
'CAUSE REALLY ALL WE'RE DOING WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CELLULAR TECHNOLOGY IS TRADE-OFFS, RIGHT? YOU TALK ABOUT IT.
IF WE DON'T DO THIS, WE HAVE TO DO THIS.
WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH ALL SORTS OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
WHAT WE HAVE NOTICED THOUGH, IS MANY CITIES ARE GINNING TO CLAMOR THAT THEIR CELLULAR SERVICES DETERIORATING IS BECOMING MORE DIFFICULT.
THAT'S 'CAUSE THE USAGE IS INCREASING, BUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE BUILDS ARE HAVING A HARD TIME KEEPING UP WITH THE DATA DEMANDS.
THIS IS A BIG PROBLEM FOR COMMUNITIES, ESPECIALLY WITH THE AGING POPULATION, UH, FOR AGING IN PLACE AND FOR, UH, SOME OF OUR OLDER POPULATION TO BECOME MORE DEPENDENT ON THAT TECHNOLOGY ONLY FOR MEDICAL, BUT CONNECTIVITY AND OTHER ITEMS, AND THEN THE DIGITAL DIVIDE QUESTION AS WELL.
SO BE CAREFUL THAT IF YOU DO MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT TO BUILD, UM, EVEN, AND I KNOW THE RIDGE LINES ARE BEAUTIFUL, AND BELIEVE ME, I DON'T, I WANT TO DEFEND THAT.
AND, AND I WOULD ALSO SAY REGARDING THE PROLIFERATION, PROLIFERATION QUESTION, THERE'S REALLY FOUR MAJOR CARRIERS AND WE TRY AND COMBINE ASSETS AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG CHALLENGE.
AND YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO REGULATE THAT AS WELL, RIGHT? YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONTROL THAT AS WELL.
UM, BUT I WILL SAY THAT AS A PORTION OF WHAT YOU'RE HAVING TO DO HERE IS TO REALLY CONTEMPLATE THE IDEA OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
UH, IT USED TO BE THAT THIS WAS A NICE TO HAVE.
IT'S TRANSITIONED AT SOME POINT TO A MUST HAVE FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY PERSPECTIVE.
IT HAS BECOME SOMETHING THAT IS NO, NO LONGER AN OPTION.
AND PEOPLE MAKE BUYING DECISIONS ON HOMES.
AND SO I JUST SAY CONSIDER THAT IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, AND I MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE IF, UH, THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.
THAT'S THE FINAL SPEAKER CARD THAT WE HAVE.
ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS WHILE WE'RE HERE? CAN I ASK? SURE.
I'M A RESIDENT, CHIN HILLS, BUT I HEARD SOMETHING.
I, YOU KNOW, I'M BEEN OUTTA THE LOOP, BUT I HEARD SOMETHING THAT KIND OF JUST PERKED UP MY EARS AND THAT WAS, I KNOW THE GOVERNMENT'S COMING IN AND BASICALLY TYING A LOT OF OUR HANDS, THE CITY HANDS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT'S HANDS.
SAME THING WITH THE STATE MANDATE OF HOMES AND STUFF, BUT THE PRIVATE LAND, HE MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT PRIVATE LAND THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE MUCH SAY.
SO IS, UH, CAN YOU TOUCH ON THAT? AND I DO WANNA SEE I RED LINES PROTECTED TOO.
AND AS SOMEONE WITH AESTHETIC ISSUES, YOU KNOW, THAT TOWER WAS WHAT, ABOUT 70 FEET, FEET, THAT 200 FOOT TOWER IN FROM MY HOME.
SO I UNDERSTAND WHEN IT COMES TO AESTHETICS TOO.
SO I WAS WONDERING IF YOU CAN MAYBE EXPLAIN ABOUT THE PRIVATE, UH, LAND ISSUE.
UH, MAYBE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THIS.
I'M GLAD TO SEE THE COMMISSIONERS HERE TONIGHT.
ANYBODY ELSE BEFORE WE BRING IT BACK UP? OKAY, SO NICK, DO YOU WANNA RESPOND TO ANYTHING AT THE MOMENT OR JUST HERE FOR QUESTIONS? I MEAN, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT IS KIND
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OF, UH, PING YOUR INTEREST OF WHAT YOU HEARD FROM EITHER OUR COMMISSIONERS OR FROM OUR RESIDENTS BEFORE WE START TALKING? OKAY.COUPLE, COUPLE ITEMS. UM, ONE IS, UM, I'D, UH, LIKE TO, UH, LET THE COUNCIL KNOW, UM, FOR THE, UH, PARTICULAR PROJECT THAT SOME OF THE RESIDENTS WERE REFERRING TONIGHT, UH, THAT WAS ADJACENT TO THE RIDGELINE TRAIL, UM, THAT, UH, HAS A APPEAL FILED BY THE APPLICANT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DENIAL.
AND SO, UH, BECAUSE THAT'S A PENDING APPLICATION, WE CANNOT DISCUSS IT AT THIS MEETING.
SO, UM, WE CAN STILL TALK IN THE GENERALITIES AND POLICY LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT WE CAN'T REFER DIRECTLY TO THAT PROJECT BECAUSE AN APPEAL HAS BEEN FILED.
SO THAT'S THE, UH, THE BUSINESS SIDE OF IT.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE QUESTION REGARDING, UH, THE PRIVATE LAND VERSUS PUBLIC LAND, UM, SO THE, UM, THE CITY HAS A WIRELESS COMMUNICATION FACILITY ORDINANCE THAT REGULATES HOW THESE FACILITIES, UM, ARE TO BE CONSTRUCTED AND, AND WHERE THEY CAN GO.
UM, IT HAS FINDINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE MADE FOR THE COMMISSION TO BE ABLE TO PROVE, UH, A STANDALONE, UH, FACILITY.
SO, UM, GOING THROUGH THOSE FINDINGS, UH, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT, IT COMPLIES WITH THE ORDINANCE MINIMUMS. UM, THE, UH, THEY CAN ALSO USE, AS WAS REFERRED TO BEFORE THE, UM, 64 0 9 PROCEDURE, WHICH ALLOWS FACILITIES TO INCREASE, UM, IN AREA FOR EQUIPMENT ON THE GROUND AND IN HEIGHT TO ACCOMMODATE NEW TECHNOLOGIES.
SO, SO LONG-TERM, ONCE THE UM, UH, FACILITY IS APPROVED, UM, THEY COULD, THE CARRIER COULD MINISTERIALLY OR JUST WITH A BUILDING PERMIT GET APPROVAL TO EXTEND THE HEIGHT WITHOUT GOING BACK FOR PLANNING COMMISSION TO REVIEW ON PUBLIC LAND.
THE CITY, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE LEASE AGREEMENT, WE HAVE, UH, MORE CONTROLS OVER HOW, UM, HOW THOSE TYPES OF THINGS WOULD, WOULD HAPPEN, AS WELL AS THE MAINTENANCE OF THE, OF THE FACILITY.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY A, A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE, THE, THE, UH, PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THE PUBLIC PROPERTY.
YOU PROBABLY, UH, YEAH, YOU KNOW, FORMER PLANT PLANNING COMMISSIONER, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE CATCH 20 TWOS.
THE PUBLIC OUT THERE COMPLAINS ALL OVER THE CITY THAT OUR CELL COVERAGE SUCKS.
THAT'S, YOU CAN'T, THERE'S NO NICE WAY OF PUTTING IT.
UH, I KNOW CERTAIN AREAS WHEN I'M GOING BETWEEN HERE AND HOME THAT I TELL SOME PEOPLE, OKAY, I'M GONNA GET DROPPED, DROPPED MY CALL IN ABOUT 10 SECONDS.
OKAY? BUT THE BALANCE IS FIRST AND FOREMOST, PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT TWO MAJOR THINGS.
PROXIMITY TO THE, THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AND APPEARANCE OR AESTHETICS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU SATISFY ONE NEED WITH THE CONCERNS OF THAT.
I'LL TELL YOU, I'M A FIRM BELIEVER IN RIDGELINE PROTECTION AND I WANT TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PROTECT THAT.
AND I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME DIALOGUE UP HERE AND COME UP WITH WHAT IS THE BEST SOLUTION TO A BAD SITUATION.
IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA BE PERFECT FOR EVERYBODY, BUT I THINK THAT FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE HAVE TO PROTECT THE ASSET WE HAVE.
BECAUSE ONCE YOU BUILD IT, IT'S JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU, YOU BUILD ON A PIECE OF THE LAND, THERE'S NO NEW LAND BEING BUILT, RIGHT? WELL, ONCE WE GO ON A RINSE LINE, WE'VE, WE HAD THOSE COUPLE EXCEPTIONS AND WE UNDERSTAND, BUT I THINK FROM THIS POINT ON, WE, WE NEED TO COME UP WITH POLICIES THAT GIVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION THE PROPER DIRECTION FOR WHEN THESE, UH, UH, ITEMS ARE COMING TO THEM FOR CPUS OR CPU CS.
ALRIGHT, BRIAN HERE, I'LL CHIME IN.
UH, I'M GLAD THAT WE HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND FOR RESIDENTS.
I, I, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE APPLICANTS COME UP, I'VE KIND OF FELT LIKE IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE DEAL, UH, CHARLIE BROWN AND LUCY WITH THE FOOTBALL, AND EVERYBODY GETS READY TO, TO KICK IT, AND THEN AT THE LAST MINUTE THE FOOTBALL GOES AWAY AND YOU JUST END UP ON YOUR BUTT.
SO THE, YOU KNOW, AND NOT HAVING THE CLARITY TO ACTUALLY EXPLAIN, YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR, WHAT OUR, UM, THOUGHTS ARE AND WHAT OUR, YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR REASONING IS, IS HAS BEEN DISAPPOINTING.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S, I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO THIS NOW.
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AND JUST IN MY THOUGHT IN MY MIND, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE WE CAN DO SOMETHING DOESN'T MEAN WE NECESSARILY SHOULD DO SOMETHING.I KNOW WE HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO START TALKING ABOUT THOSE.
I, IT'S PROBABLY NO TIME, LIKE THE PRESENT.
UM, I'M LEANING TOWARDS OPTION B.
UM, I, I WOULD LIKE, I, I UNDERSTAND THE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PUSH AND PULL WHEN IT COMES TO, YOU KNOW, COVERAGE AND RIDGE LINES.
UM, YOU KNOW, BUT LIKE I SAID, JUST BECAUSE WE CAN LEASE SOMETHING THAT'S, I DON'T THINK WE NECESSARILY NEED TO, BUT WITH OPTION B, I THINK IT PROTECTS THE RIDGE LINES.
IT GIVES US STILL THE OPTION TO HAVE SOME IN OPEN SPACE, LIKE THE ONE OFFICE SOCAL CANYON, WHICH I OPPOSED, BUT AT LEAST IT PROVIDES FOR MORE OPTIONS AND NOT IN A, NOT IN AN AREA THAT, OR NOT IN SUCH A PROMINENT, UM, LOCATION.
SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF MY INITIAL THOUGHTS.
THANK YOU MR. BRIAN COMMENTS ON THIS SIDE? OKAY.
UM, I'M KIND OF IN THE SAME CAMP WITH ART AND BRIAN, AS FAR AS LIKE, OUR ULTIMATE GO GOAL IS TO PROTECT OUR RIDGE LINES.
AND I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE GONNA HASH THIS OUT AND, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE OUR CITY'S GONNA CONTINUE TO EVOLVE.
SO 20 YEARS FROM NOW, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SOME OTHER CHANGE THAT WE NEED BECAUSE OF SOME TECHNOLOGY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THIS IS, WAS BOUND TO HAPPEN AND IT'S HAPPENING ON OUR WATCH.
SO I WILL SAY, SO THE TOWER THAT BRIAN WAS REFERRING TO ON SOCAL, WHICH I DID VOTE FOR, MM-HMM
SO IT DOES PROVIDE GREAT CELL COVERAGE.
SO THEN THAT'S THE SPOTS THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE WANTS TO TAKE.
BUT THEN THERE'S GONNA BE SPOTS LIKE THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE SPEAKING TONIGHT THAT IMPACTS, YOU KNOW, THEIR VIEWS OR EVEN, UH, THE SCENIC VIEWS FOR OUR RESIDENTS THAT USE THE TRAILS.
AND SO IT'S NOT, WE DON'T JUST HAVE STREETS THAT THE VIEW IS LIMITED TO THAT HOMEOWNER.
SO MANY PEOPLE GET TO ENJOY THE VIEWS AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES CHINLE HILL SO SPECIAL WITH ALL OUR TRAILS.
SO I WOULD HOPE THAT WE CAN COME, COME UP WITH A BALANCE.
UM, I'M KIND OF THINKING OF OPTION B AS WELL IF JUST AT FIRST GLANCE WITH IT.
UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT I WAS NOT OPPOSED BEFORE TO HAVING CELL TOWERS IN OUR OPEN SPACE BECAUSE IT WAS CASE BY CASE BASIS.
I UNDERSTAND NOW HOW THAT IS PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE UPON FURTHER REVIEW IT, IT CRIPPLES THE DECISION MAKING POWER OF OUR PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND THEN A LOT OF, UM, RESOURCES ARE SPENT BY THE APPLICANT AND THEN IT GOES NOWHERE.
SO WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT AS WELL.
UM, SO IT IS A BALANCE, BUT IF IT'S A BALANCE, I'M GONNA SIDE WITH PROTECTING OUR RIDGE LINES AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, THEY SAY THAT NECESSITY IS THE MOTHER OF INVENTION AND IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE KEEP PUSHING AND WE'LL FIND OTHER WAYS TO GET, YOU KNOW, CELL COVERAGE.
AND I THINK IT WAS MIKE STOVER THAT SAID HE GOT A BOOSTER AT HIS HOUSE.
I MEAN, I HAVE YOU, WHEN YOU GUYS ARE ON THE PHONE WITH ME, I TURN LEFT INTO HUNTER'S HILL.
MY CALLS DROP EVERY SINGLE TIME.
SO I KIND OF HAVE GOTTEN USED TO IT.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE THOUGHT YOU WERE JUST HANGING UP ON THIS, IT'S EXACTLY.
SO I'M JUST, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT, BUT IT'S LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE, I THINK IT'S HOW PEOPLE LOOK AT IT.
SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THE CELL COVERAGE, BUT SOMETIMES IT'S BASED ON WHERE YOU LIVE.
IT'S JUST KIND OF A NATURE OF THE BEAST.
AND, AND I KIND OF DEAL WITH IT, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OWN PERSONAL, IF I HAD TO, IF I HAD TO CHOOSE WHETHER ON MY PROMINENT RIDGE LINES IN MY AREA I WAS GONNA SEE A CELL TOWER OR HAVE LIKE SERVICE THAT WASN'T OPTIMAL, I WOULD, I WOULD ERR WITH THE VIEWS.
UH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON THE DISADVANTAGES FOR, UM, OPTION B, WHAT IT SAYS HERE MAY LEAD TO SMALL WIRELESS FACILITIES AND RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
NICK, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THAT IS? SO THE, UM, THAT'S THE DISCUSSION ON THE, THE MICRO CELLS THAT KIND OF FILL IN THE COVERAGE GAPS.
SO, UM, THE MICRO CELLS, UH, AREN'T DESIGNED TO REPLACE A MACRO CELL.
THEY'RE JUST DESIGNED TO, UH, KIND OF EXTEND A SERVICE OR FILL IN GAPS.
AND SO THE, THE LESS MACRO CELLS THAT YOU HAVE, YOU MAY HAVE TO HAVE MORE MICRO CELLS IN A AREA JUST TO KIND OF PUSH THAT SERVICE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S DEMAND.
AND SO IT COULD RESULT IN ADDITIONAL, UM, OR MORE MICRO CELLS THAN, THAN WOULD BE, UM, NECESSARY IF THERE WAS ONE LARGER FACILITY SERVED IN THE AREA.
I KNOW, UH, S SCAG, SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF GOVERNMENTS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY A SPACING.
AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY, I DON'T REMEMBER IT RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S 50 FEET, A HUNDRED FEET, BUT MY ONLY CONCERNS ARE THAT, UH, THESE WILL BE THROUGHOUT A NEIGHBORHOOD ON CITY LIGHTS.
AND I THINK, UH, THAT COULD BE AN ICEO, THAT'S SOMETHING I'M SORT OF CONCERNED ABOUT.
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LIKE WHEN THE TOWERS, BEFORE THE TOWERS WENT UP, UH, EDISON TOWERS, THERE WAS NO ISSUE ONCE THEY WENT UP, EVERYBODY COMPLAINED ABOUT IT.UH, ARE YOU'VE BEEN A PLANNING COMMISSION COMMISSIONER, SO HAVE I OVER THE YEARS.
AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE DECIDE TO MOVE IT TO ANOTHER LOCATION, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE RIGHT BACK TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
THERE PEOPLE THAT LIVE NEXT TO IT AREN'T GONNA WANT IT, SO WE'RE GONNA BE DEALING WITH THIS AGAIN.
SO THOSE ARE JUST MY CONCERNS.
UM, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING AND I'M JUST HOPING WE CAN COME UP WITH A SOLUTION WHERE EVERYBODY'S HAPPY IN THE FUTURE.
WELL, I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO PR UH, PRESERVE THE PROMINENT RIDGE LINES.
THAT'S OUR, WE DO, WE DO NOT WANT TO REDO THE LOGO SO THAT, THAT
SO IF NOTHING ELSE, WE'VE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS OVER THE YEARS.
I MEAN, OUR NUMBER ONE GOAL IS TO PRESERVE THE LOOK OF THE CITY.
AND IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME A MINUTE AGO, UH, PHOTOGRAPHY WAS MENTIONED.
I'M A PROFESSIONAL PHOTOGRAPHER AND A LOT OF THE PHOTOGRAPHY YOU SEE AROUND CITY, I INCLUDE ON THE WEBSITES, ET CETERA, ARE PHOTOS THAT I'VE TAKEN.
AND IT OCCURRED TO ME JUST A MOMENT AGO THAT I'VE ACTUALLY GONE IN WHEN EVEN ON A NON PROMINENT RIDGE LINE, THAT I'VE TAKEN A PHOTOGRAPH AND THERE'S A SOMETHING, A TOWER OR SOMETHING THAT PHOTOSHOP I'VE TAKEN, I'VE HAD TO PHOTOSHOP IT OUT, WHICH IT, I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT UNTIL A MOMENT AGO THAT THAT DISTURBED THE LOOK OF WHAT WE EXPECT TO SEE IN CHINO HILLS.
SO WHATEVER SOLUTION WE COME UP WITH, UH, I'M, I'M ALL IN FOR PROTECTING, PROTECTING PROMINENT AND VERY PROMINENT RIDGE LINES, WHATEVER IT TAKES.
BUT IT'S A GREAT IDEA FOR OPTION B.
HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO EXAMINE OPTION B? DO YOU SEE EVERYTHING'S GONNA HAVE A PRO AND CON THERE'S GONNA BE NO WIN, AS WAS SAID EARLIER.
YEAH, WE KNOW THAT, UH, JUST, JUST SPEAKING AS A SINGLE, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, B WOULD SEEM TO BE THE, YOU KNOW, MEETS MORE OF THE BALANCING TEST.
UH, I, I THINK YOU, YOU MAKE YOUR MARKER THAT THESE, THESE VERY PROMINENT RIDGE LINES ARE TO BE PRESERVED, OR AT LEAST AS LONG AS YOU CAN PRESERVE THEM.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE FEDS MAY COME IN AND DEMAND THAT YOU DO THINGS, BUT YOU NEED TO SURRENDER BEFORE THE, BEFORE THE BATTLE IS EVEN, UH, UH, UH, INITIATE.
SO, UM, HE WOULD SEEM TO BE, BUT I THINK NO ONE IS GONNA BE ABSOLUTELY HAPPY THE LAST, UH, TWO MINUTES BEFORE MY HOUSE.
I, THE SIGNAL DROPS OUT ON MOST DAYS, NOT ALWAYS IN, IN A MOBILE.
UH, BUT THE FIVE GS ARE GONNA COME, THE NEIGHBORHOODS I THINK ARE NOT GONNA JUST BE UP ON THE, UM, ON THE MACRO SITES.
THE FIVE GS REQUIRE, REQUIRE BEING CLOSER TO THE, TO THE, UH, TO THE USERS.
SO THAT, UH, UH, THIS IS NOT AN EITHER IF WE DO THIS, THAT WON'T HAPPEN IF YOU, YOU KNOW, AND YOU CAN END UP WITH, UH, WITH THE WORST OF ALL WORLDS.
UH, AND, UH, AESTHETICALLY, I, I THINK THE VISION OF, IN THE GENERAL PLAN THAT I THINK REFLECTED A CLEAR COMMUNITY CONSENSUS AT THE TIME OF INCORPORATION WAS WE WANT TO PROTECT OUR RIDGE LINES AND WE SHOULD DO ALL THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN WITHIN A REALISTIC WORLD OF UNDERSTANDING THAT WIRELESS TECHNOLOGY IS VERY IMPORTANT NOW.
BUT MR, TO ME B IS STRONGER THAN THE OTHER ONES.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I THINK, YOU KNOW, HEARING EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS, B CERTAINLY GIVES THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF FLEXIBILITY FOR THE CITY TO, UH, TO THE POINT ABOUT PRIVATE PROPERTY VERSUS PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, STILL HAS THE OPTION TO HAVE IT ON PUBLIC PROPERTY, BUT PROTECTS PROMINENT RIDGE LINES.
AND IT IS GONNA, IT IS GONNA BE A BALANCING ACT.
SO I DON'T KNOW, I'M READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH BEING, I HAD A COUPLE COMMENTS BEFORE THAT, BUT AFTER ART, ART GO FORWARD, I, I AGREE WITH THAT.
BUT JUST LET ME CLARIFY ONE OTHER THING.
RAY, YOU BROUGHT UP THE FACT ABOUT THE, THE, UH, MINI SITES OR, UH, OR MICRO WAIT, MICRO, RIGHT? CORRECT.
UH, CAN YOU CLARIFY AND, AND, UH, TELL ME IF I'M CORRECT IN MY ASSUMPTION THAT SINCE MOST OF THE LIGHT POLES ARE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, THAT DEVELOP OR, OR CELL COMPANIES CAN PUT THOSE ON THOSE LIGHT SANDERS AND WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO SAY SO.
IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, SO THE, UM, THE CELL, UH, CARRIER WOULD HAVE TO, UM, THEY COULDN'T USE AND
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A CITY LIGHT POLE BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T MEET THEIR REQUIREMENTS.SO BEHIND THAT, RIGHT, IT WOULD BE, YEAH.
SO IT WOULD BE THEIR OWN LIGHT POLE IN LIEU OF A CITY LIGHT POLE, UM, THAT WOULD BE APPROVED BY THE CITY FOR, UH, ITS STRUCTURAL REQUIREMENTS AND, AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF AND, AND HOW IT LOOKS.
BUT THEY ARE ALLOWED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FOOTPRINT FOR THE, UM, EQUIPMENT, UM, THAT IS ESSENTIALLY INCORPORATED INTO THE BASE AS WELL AS THE ANTENNA ON TOP.
SO IF THOSE ARE IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY, YOU MAY HAVE A VIEW THAT'S BEING PROTECTED OUT BACK, BUT IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE YOU MAY END UP WITH ONE OF THESE SITES.
UH, IF STAFF HAD TO GIVE US A RECOMMENDATION OF THE FOUR OPTIONS, WOULD YOU BELIEVE, OR CAN WE COMMIT YOU TO SAY THAT, THAT THAT B IS, IS THE BEST TO MEET OUR NEEDS? NICK, YOU'RE STILL WITHIN YOUR PROBATIONARY PERIOD ON STAFF, RIGHT? YEAH, I MEAN, YOUR ANSWER MAY DEPEND ON YOUR FUTURE EMPLOYMENT, BUT YOU KNOW,
SO, UM, I BELIEVE ONE OF THE, UM, UH, SPEAKERS, UH, VERY ELOQUENTLY CITED SEVERAL PROVISIONS OF THE GENERAL PLAN.
UM, THE GENERAL PLAN IS A DOCUMENT THAT BY ITS NATURE THERE WILL BE CONFLICTS BETWEEN DIFFERENT POLICIES OR DIFFERENT ACTIONS BECAUSE IT'S SO MULTIFACETED.
AND SO, UM, AS PROFESSIONAL PLANNERS, WHEN WE DO HAVE THOSE CONFLICTS, A LOT OF TIMES WHAT WE DO IS WE GO BACK TO THE VISION STATEMENT.
AND THE VISION STATEMENT IS KIND OF LIKE THE COMPASS THAT HELPS YOU FIGURE OUT, UM, HOW TO GET TO WHERE YOU WANT EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE COMPETING VALUES.
AND I THINK BECAUSE THE VISION STATEMENT DOES EMPHASIZE, UM, THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AND THE RIDGE LINES, I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE GENERAL PLAN IS LEADING US.
AND SO THAT OPTION B IS PROBABLY THE, THE BEST LIKELY OPTION TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THAT.
UM, THE, THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE AS STAFF IS, IS I WOULD HATE TO PROTECT THE RIDGE LINE AND THEN SPOIL THE REST OF THE VIEW BY HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, CUT IN A NEW ACCESS ROAD OR, OR OTHER THINGS.
SO, UM, MY REQUEST TO THE COUNCIL IN, IN THE COUNCIL STATING THAT WE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WIRELESS FACILITIES ARE CONSIDERED DEVELOPMENT UNDER THE RIDGELINE ORDINANCE IS THAT WE, UM, THEY ALSO REQUEST STAFF TO LOOK INTO CRAFTING SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE WITH REGARDS TO 'EM, SO THAT WAY WE COULD HAVE, UM, SOME ABILITY TO REGULATE THOSE VIEWS, UM, AND THE HILLSIDES AND THE POTENTIAL IMPACT THAT THOSE FACILITIES COULD CREATE BECAUSE THERE COULD BE ADDITIONAL FACILITIES, UM, IN ORDER TO EXPAND THE COVERAGE IN THE WAY THAT THE CARRIERS NEED.
I THINK JERRY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK REAL QUICK.
UM, I HAD SIMILAR, UM, IDEA AS, AS NICK DOES.
UM, I, I WOULD AGREE THAT OPTION B OF ALL OF 'EM IS PROBABLY, UH, THE, THE MOST, UM, DESIRABLE FROM, FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF, OF PROTECTION OF THE BRIDGE LINES, BUT IT MAY HAVE SOME TWEAKING THAT THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS YOUR TECHNICAL REVIEW GROUP, UM, TRYING TO SAVE YOU TIME.
SO TAGGING WITH WHAT NICK SAID, IF, IF YOU GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF AND THE COMMISSION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO, YOU MOVE ON OPTION B AND LET US REVIEW IT FOR A MONTH OR TWO.
UM, AND, AND WORK WITH STAFF TO COME UP WITH, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE, WE HAVE AN IDEA MAY MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THAT BALANCING AND IT'S IMPORTANT, MAYBE THIS WOULD HELP.
AND, AND MAYBE WE CAN GIVE YOU A COUPLE, UH, IDEAS, UM, THAT, THAT MAY HELP THAT OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS.
DOES THAT WORK? MAKE SENSE EVERYBODY? MM-HMM.
JERRY AND I JUST HAD A COUPLE COMMENTS.
UM, I DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC TO THINK THAT WE'RE GLOSSING OVER THE DISADVANTAGE OF THE REDUCED NETWORK COVERAGE FOR EMERGENCY RESPONDERS.
WE TAKE THAT PART VERY SERIOUSLY.
SO MY QUESTION TO STAFF WOULD BE, UM, YOU'VE PUT IT DOWN AS A DISADVANTAGE, BUT DO WE HAVE ANY ACTUAL DATA OF HOW MUCH IT WOULD BE IMPACTED? I KNOW IN THE STAFF REPORT THEY TALKED ABOUT THAT, UM, THE NEW, THE NEW CARRIER THAT, UM, FIRST NET ONLY, ONLY ATD FIRST NET, STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO I WOULD JUST BE CURIOUS TO SEE HOW MUCH THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED IF YOU HAVE THAT OR IF YOU COULD WORK WITH THE PUBLIC SAFETY ON THAT.
UH, NO, WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY BECAUSE, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST BASING IT ON THE FACT THAT THERE WOULD BE, UM, LOCATIONS FOR THE MACRO
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SITES THAT WOULD BE LESS OPTIMALLY PLACED.SO, SO THAT, THAT'S REALLY WHERE IT COMES FROM, IS THAT IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE LESS SITES OR LESS OPTIMALLY PLACED SITES, IT DOESN'T REACH INTO ALL THE NOOKS AND CRANNIES, IF YOU WILL.
SO, UM, BUT, UH, UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A WAY TO QUANTIFY IT WITHOUT DOING, UH, SOME KIND OF PHYSICAL, UH, RADIO FREQUENCY COMMUNICATION STUDY.
UM, SO, AND THEN, UM, I KNOW IT'S NOT OUR PROPERTY, BUT HAVE THE PROVIDERS EVER CONSIDERED, UM, SOME OF THE SCHOOL SCHOOL SITES THAT ARE AT HIGHER ELEVATIONS ARE STATE PROPERTY? SO, UM, THERE ACTUALLY IS A, UM, FACILITY AT AYLA HIGH SCHOOL.
YEAH, I MEAN, 'CAUSE THAT'S, AGAIN, LIKE WE'RE SAYING, IT'S LIKE IF WE, IF WE PUSH THIS, THERE'S, THEY'RE GONNA FIND OTHER WAYS HOPEFULLY.
AND I KNOW THAT SOME OF OUR SCHOOLS ARE DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF 'EM ACTUALLY ON THE NORTH END OF TOWN TOO.
SO TOWNSEND OVERLOOKS A LOT OF TOWN TOWNSEND'S A GOOD, THAT'S ALL I HAD, PETER.
UH, RAY, LOOKING AT YOU, ANYTHING ELSE ON YOUR END? OKAY, YOU'RE GOOD.
ANYBODY ELSE UP HERE? SO WITH, UH, WITH THIS FIRST ACTION, LET'S SAY WE DO GO WITH OPTION B AND ALLOW STAFF IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO FINE TUNE OPTION B.
SO I, WE WOULD BE, UM, GETTING DIRECTION MORE SPECIFICALLY TO, UM, MODIFY THE RIDGELINE PROTECTION ORDINANCE TO, UM, NOT EXEMPT WIRELESS FACILITIES AND DIRECT STAFF TO, UH, MODIFY EITHER THE RIDGE LINE ORDINANCE OR THE WIRELESS FACILITIES ORDINANCE TO PROVIDE, UM, ADDITIONAL DIRECTION TO DEVELOPMENT OF NEW FACILITIES ON HILLSIDES OF PROMINENT RIDGE LINES, PROMINENT KNOLLS AND EXCEPTIONALLY PROMINENT RIDGE LINES.
AND TO WORK WITH PLANNING COMMISSION THAT KINDA HASH OUT THE DETAILS.
IT'S A PERFECT, IT WOULD BE A LAND USE ORDINANCE.
SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, IS REQUIRED TO BE INVOLVED PURSUANT TO STATE LAW, SO FOR SURE.
DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION? YOU DO.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION WHAT, WHAT HE SAID.
AND I'LL SECOND IT WITH WHAT THAT GUY SAID.
MOTION AND SECOND FOR OPTION B WITH, WITH, UH, WITH THAT CAVEAT.
SORRY YOU HAD TO WAIT SO LONG TO, UH, TO HEAR THAT TONIGHT.
[ PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER REPORT]
WE NOW ARE GOING TO DO OUR PIO REPORT.THANK YOU MAYOR ROGERS AND GOOD EVENING COUNCIL STAFF AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
JUST A FEW BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENTS.
PHASE THREE OF THE COMMUNITY PARK REHAB PROJECT IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY.
FIELDS FIVE AND SIX WILL BE UNAVAILABLE FOR USE BEGINNING NOVEMBER 6TH THROUGH FEBRUARY 2ND, WHILE THE ARTIFICIAL TURF IN THE OUTFIELDS IS BEING REPLACED AND THE INFIELDS ARE BEING CONVERTED TO ARTIFICIAL TURF.
DURING THIS TIME, FIELDS ONE THROUGH FOUR REMAIN AVAILABLE FOR ALLOCATED USE, AND WE HAVE A FEW UPCOMING EVENTS.
RESIDENTS CAN SAVE THE DATE FOR THE CITY'S FREE TRICK-OR-TREAT EVENT AT THE SHOPS WILL BE NEXT TUESDAY, OCTOBER 31ST FROM THREE TO 5:00 PM ON SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 4TH.
MAYOR ROGERS CITY STAFF AND THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS WILL VISIT ALBERTSONS, SOCAL CANYON PARKWAY DURING POP-UP CITY HALL FROM 9:00 AM TO 12:00 PM ON VETERAN'S DAY.
WE WILL HONOR OUR VETERANS DURING THE SALUTE TO SERVICE CEREMONY AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER ON, UH, SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 11TH.
THE CEREMONY WILL BEGIN AT 8:00 AM AND BREAKFAST WILL BE SERVED IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING, NO REGISTRATION IS REQUIRED TO ATTEND.
AND ON NOVEMBER 16TH, WE WILL BE HOSTING A NEW FRIENDSGIVING EVENT FOR CHILDREN'S AND FAMILIES WITH SPECIAL NEEDS.
FAMILIES CAN ENJOY ARTS AND CRAFTS GAMES AND LIGHT REFRESHMENTS FROM SIX TO 8:00 PM AT THE MCCOY CENTER.
THE EVENT IS FREE TO ATTEND, HOWEVER, ONLINE PRE-REGISTRATION IS REQUIRED.
AND YOU CAN FIND INFORMATION ON ALL OF THESE EVENTS ONLINE@CHINOHILLS.ORG SLASH EVENTS.
AND LASTLY, CITY FACILITIES AND THE LIBRARY WILL BE CLOSED ON FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 10TH AND RECOGNITION OF VETERANS DAY.
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PIO REPORT AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
[ SAFETY UPDATES - Fire and Police]
CHIEF NUMBER ONE, OUR FAVORITE FIRE CHIEF.WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY, DAVE? I APPRECIATE THAT.
UH, MAYOR ROGERS COUNSEL, UH, COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
ONE'S A NOTIFICATION AND ONE'S REALLY JUST A RECOGNITION.
UH, SO, UH, TOMORROW WE WILL HAVE OUR, UH, STATE OF THE FIRE DISTRICT.
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MORE, UH, COMMUNITY MEMBERS 'CAUSE IT'S SOLD OUT.SO THAT'S A REALLY GOOD THING FOR US.
UM, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US, UH, TO JUST MAKE NOTE THAT, UH, ALL THE PROCEEDS ARE GOING BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY, TO OUR FIRE FOUNDATION, UH, WITH THOSE PROCEEDS BEING SPENT ON THINGS LIKE AEDS PRIMARILY AND HEART SAFE AND BLEED SAFE, UM, PRODUCTS.
UM, THE REASON I BRING THAT UP AND IT'S SUPER IMPORTANT IS THAT WE JUST HAD, UH, AN EVENT OVER THE WEEKEND AND CITY STAFF, UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE SOME YOUNGER FOLKS THAT ARE PART OF THE PARKS AND RECS, UH, GROUP, UH, INITIATED CPR OVER AT GRAND AVENUE PARK.
SO, UM, I BRING IT UP BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO RECOGNIZE THOSE FOLKS.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE DETAILS ON THE SURVIVABILITY YET OF THE THE PERSON, BUT JUST TO HAVE THE COURAGE TO INITIATE CPR AS A, AS A YOUNG PERSON, 18, 19 YEARS OLD, LIKELY NEVER EXPERIENCED THAT HAPPEN IN FRONT OF YOU, UM, TAKES A LOT OF COURAGE.
AND SO THE REALITY IS THAT THE SUCCESS OF OUR PROGRAM IS FOR, UH, FOR FOLKS JUST LIKE THAT, WHO HAVE THE COURAGE TO, TO GO AHEAD AND INITIATE THAT, UH, START COMPRESSIONS AND GET AED.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHO THOSE FOLKS ARE PERSONALLY, BUT I JUST WANTED TO, TO RECOGNIZE THEM AND SAY THANK THEM FOR THEIR, THEIR COURAGE AND, UM, SHOULD WE HAVE, UH, A SUCCESSFUL OUTCOME, WE WILL, UH, PLAN TO BRING THEM, UH, TO A BOARD MEETING SHOULD THEY BE WILLING.
I THINK, HOW MANY PEOPLE DID WE HAVE SATURDAY AT THE OPEN HOUSE? THOUSANDS.
THE, THE, THE WORD THAT I'M, YEAH.
UH, SO PRE COVID, WE WOULD HOVER AROUND THREE TO 500 EVERY OPEN HOUSE.
THE FIRST YEAR AFTER COVID, WE WERE AT 1200.
THIS PAST YEAR, WE, WE CRESTED ABOUT OVER 2000.
SO THE COMMUNITY IS REALLY, UH, ANXIOUS AND EXCITED TO GET BACK INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY.
2000 PEOPLE IS JUST PHENOMENAL TO COME OUT FOR A DAY FOR, AND THEY DIDN'T CARE IF THEY HAD TO WALK A MILE FOR PARKING
WE STRUGGLE WITH THAT OVER AT THAT FACILITY.
UM, BUT YEAH, OVER 2000 PEOPLE, LOTS OF HOT DOGS COOKED.
SO WE, WE WANT TO THANK OUR, OUR, OUR LABOR, UH, 35, 22 FOR THEIR, THEIR SUPPORT.
THEY COME OUT, UH, ON THEIR OWN AND PROVIDE MEALS FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.
SO THANK YOU TO, UH, PETE AND, AND THE GANG OUT THERE.
I THINK JONATHAN CAN SHED SOME LIGHT ON WHO THE, UH, PARKS AND REC, UH, STAFF WERE.
THANKS FOR ACKNOWLEDGING, UH, FIRE CHIEF WILLIAMS. UH, YEAH, WE HAVE, UH, TWO OUTSTANDING STAFF.
I, AFTER TALKING WITH THE CITY MANAGER, WE WILL PROBABLY BE BRINGING THEM IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL AT THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, JADE DAWN IS, UH, A, A YOUNG GENTLEMAN WHO ACTUALLY WAS IN THE STUDENT GOVERNMENT DAY THIS PAST YEAR AND WAS, UH, WANTED TO BE, UH, THE FIRE CHIEF AND THAT'S WHAT HE WAS.
AND SO HE'S ACTUALLY, UH, GOING TO SCHOOL TO BE A FIREFIGHTER.
SO I MIGHT GET AN INTERVIEW, I THINK, EH,
UM, AND I, I, I SAID I WOULD SAY THAT.
SO ANYWAYS, UM, AND THEN, UH, KAYA IS A SENIOR IN HIGH SCHOOL, AND SO JADE ON ACTUALLY, UM, UH, STAFF WAS, UH, FOREWARNED ABOUT WHAT HAD OCCURRED AND, UH, RAN OUT WITH THE A-D-A-E-D WITH THEM IN PLACE.
AND SO HE TOOK OVER FOR A PERSON THAT WAS THERE.
AND OF COURSE, UH, WAS ADMINISTERING UNTIL THE FIRE, UH, UH, DEPARTMENT CAME AND WHICH WAS WITHIN TWO MINUTES.
SO GREAT, GREAT RESPONSE TIME FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
KAYA ALSO WAS, UM, MAKING SURE THAT, UH, OUTSIDE OF THE AREA THAT, UH, THE FIRE WAS, UH, KNEW WHERE TO GO AND SUCH AND WAS CLEARING A PATH AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE, UH, IN THE, UM, PARKING LOT AREA.
SO, UM, YEAH, WE, UH, TWO 18 AND 19 YEAR OLD, UH, UM, STAFF MEMBERS AND SUCH.
AND SO, UM, AND, UM, WHAT, UH, MADE THEM, UH, UH, ENJOY THE, THE REST OF THE DAY AND THE REST OF THEIR SHIFT, OF COURSE IS WE HAD COOKIES SENT TO THEM.
SO, UH, THAT, UH, HAD LOTS OF SMILES AND, UH, AS IT RELATES TO THAT AND SUCH.
BUT, UM, KUDOS TO THEM FOR US, UH, UH, SPRINGING INTO ACTION.
UM, CPR AND FIRST AID IS SOMETHING THAT WE, UH, TRAIN ALL OF OUR STAFF FOR EVERY SUMMER WE GET ASSISTANCE FROM, UH, FIRE AS WELL, UH, WITH THAT.
AND CERTAINLY THE TRAININGS THAT WE GO THROUGH AS CITY STAFF WITH, FOR THE A-D-A-E-D, UM, UH, IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
AND HERE'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT OCCURRING AND SUCH.
AND I KNOW, UH, THE MAYOR ALREADY GAVE 'EM A HIGH FIVE, UH, WHICH I PASSED ALONG, UH, ALSO MAYOR.
SO THEY WERE VERY, UM, HAPPY TO, UH, GET THOSE ACCOLADES AS WELL.
BUT, UM, THE PLAN IS TO STAB THEM HERE AT THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
GOING ON TO OUR FAVORITE POLICE CHIEF AL GERARD.
HONORABLE MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, CITY STAFF AND RESIDENTS AND ATTENDANCE.
UH, ONE BRIEF ITEM OF INTEREST.
ON THURSDAY, OCTOBER 19TH, 2024, THE CHINO HILLS POLICE DEPARTMENT PARTICIPATED IN THE GREAT SHAKEOUT EARTHQUAKE DRILL BESIDES EVACUATING STAFF FROM THE POLICE STATION.
ALL EMERGENCY SUPPLIES AND MANUALS WERE CHECKED TO ENSURE READINESS
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IN THE EVENT OF A SIGNIFICANT EARTHQUAKE.STAFF, INCLUDING MYSELF, WERE ALSO GIVEN SCENARIOS BY SHERIFF'S COMMAND STAFF TO WORK THROUGH IN THE EVENT THE STATION WAS DAMAGED AND THE COMMUNICATIONS WERE COMPROMISED.
FOLLOWING THE EXERCISE STAFF, STAFF TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO OUT AND FAMILIARIZE THEMSELVES AND REFAMILIARIZE THEMSELVES WITH ALL OF OUR, UH, GATES AND EVACUATION ROUTES IN CARBON CANYON TO OUR, TO ENSURE WE ARE PREPARED FOR A WILDLAND FIRE INCIDENT.
[ COUNCIL REPORTS Council Member Bennett Chino Valley Independent Fire District Board Chino Valley Unified School District Board Council Member Johsz West Valley Mosquito and Vector Control District Council Member Marquez Cal Cities (League of California Cities) Latino Caucus Legislative Committee San Bernardino County Transportation Authority General Policy Committee]
ON TOMARK? YES, TWO, UH, QUICK ONES.
UH, THE CHINO VALLEY INDEPENDENT FIRE DISTRICT, UH, AT THEIR LAST MEETING, TWO SIGNIFICANT, UH, AWARDS FOR, UH, EMPLOYEE SERVICE OF 30 YEARS.
BOTH BATTALION CHIEF JOSEPH, UH, DESOTO, AND, UH, DEPUTY CHIEF CARLOS KEBAR.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT JUST, IT SHOWS WHEN WE HAVE THE BEST STAFF AROUND, WE KEEP 'EM FOR A LONG TIME.
AND DID WANT TO, UH, UH, ACKNOWLEDGE OUR, OUR FIRE PERSONNEL IN THE BACK.
UH, TELL TOM HE LEFT EARLY, YOU KNOW, BUT THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, UH, SCHOOL DISTRICT.
I DON'T NEED TO REALLY, UH, SAY MUCH ABOUT IT.
YOU CAN, UH, CHECK THE COVERAGE IN THE, IN THE, UH, CHAMPION.
UH, THE OTHER NIGHT THERE WAS LIKE 37, UH, PEOPLE SPEAK ON ONE ITEM AND 17 ON ANOTHER.
AND, UH, YEAH, JUST A LOT OF, UH, INTERESTING DISCUSSION.
ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO, UM, BRIAN.
ALRIGHT, FOR THE MOSQUITO AND VECTOR CONTROL DISTRICT, WE HAD A QUICK MEETING TODAY.
THE ONLY KIND OF THING JUST FOR PUBLIC NOTE IS THERE WAS A NEWS REPORT LAST WEEK ABOUT DENGUE FEVER BEING FOUND IN PASADENA.
IT, UH, FROM, FROM, UH, DR. BROWN WHO RUNS, WHO'S OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR THE MOSQUITO DISTRICT, ESSENTIALLY WHAT SHE SAID IS THAT IT'S, IT IS TRANSMISSIBLE ONLY BY MOSQUITO.
SO SOMEBODY HAD TO HAVE BEEN BIT BY ONE THAT HAD IN FACT, OR THAT HAD BIT SOMEBODY THAT WAS INFECTED, BUT THEY'VE BEEN TRACKING IT AND THERE'S BEEN NO OTHER CASES IN PASADENA.
SO DON'T LOSE ANY SLEEP OVER IT.
THEY, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR DISTRICT HAS MONITORING, UM, THROUGHOUT CHINO HILLS TO SEE WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS COMING, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S WEST NILE OR SOMETHING NASTY LIKE THAT.
WAIT FOR YOUR REPORTS REAL FAST.
UM, I WAS HOPING STAFF COULD TAKE OFF, UH, CAL CITY'S LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITY'S LA LATINO CAUCUS LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE.
THAT'S NOT REALLY AN ASSIGNMENT.
SO IF WE CAN ELIMINATE THAT IN THE FUTURE, I'D APPRECIATE IT.
SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY, WE HAD NO MEETING THIS MONTH.
ALRIGHT, WELL, SINCE WE'RE RIGHT, SINCE WE'RE ON YOUR END, HOW ABOUT COUNCIL
[ COUNCIL COMMENTS]
COMMENTS? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.FIRST OF ALL, I'M GONNA BE SELF-SERVING HYDROGEN FUELING STATION IN OUR BEAUTIFUL CITY OF CHINO HILLS.
WHEN, WHEN DO WE EXPECT TO HAVE THAT? I, I'M GONNA HAVE TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON THAT.
THEY, THEY HAVE BEEN, THEIR PLANS HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND SO WE'RE WAITING FOR THEM TO START TO CONSTRUCTION.
IT COULD BE A, UM, A LEASE NEGOTIATION ISSUE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, BUT I, I WILL FIND OUT AND GET BACK TO YOU.
WHERE WOULD THAT BE HARKINS? UH, IT'S GONNA BE BY THE HARKINS, UH, TACO BELL, UM, AND, UH, THE, UH, HARKINS THEATER AREA, BUT UP AGAINST THE FREEWAY, UM, ADJACENT TO THE GAS STATION.
I AM EXCITED ABOUT OUR HISTORY OF CHINO HILLS AND I SUPPORT EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING AND JUST MY ONLY CHANGE IN THAT WAS FOR US TO, TO RAISE THE MONEY.
BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO LOOK AT EUCALYPTUS, THE OLD FIRE STATION, TO MAYBE REALLY THINK ABOUT, UH, PUTTING A MUSEUM THERE AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT GRANT MONEY, MAYBE AN AD HOC TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT TO SEE IF THAT CAN IS FEASIBLE.
BUT I THINK IT'S REAL IMPORTANT, LIKE I KNOW DOUG SPARKS HAS A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT HE WANTS TO GIVE OVER TO US.
I THINK, UH, GWEN NORTON PERRY HAS INFORMATION SHE WOULD LIKE, LIKE TO GIVE TO US.
DENISE HAS STUFF IN STORAGE TOO, OR LIKE A HOME FOR THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY KIND OF THING.
YEAH, IT'D BE REALLY NICE TO, TO DO SOMETHING THERE.
UM, THE SHERIFF, SHANNON D***S WILL BE IN OUR CITY ON OCTOBER 27TH AT THE CHINO VALLEY REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONALS.
AND, UH, HE ALWAYS, WHEN HE TALKS, HE'S JUST AMAZING PERSON.
SO HE WILL BE THERE AT EIGHT 30 ON FRIDAY THE 27TH.
AND THEN I WANT TO THANK THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I KNOW IT'S A LONG MEETING, BUT I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
UH, YOU, YOU ALWAYS IMPRESS ME AND I AM SO PROUD OF YOUR ABILITIES.
UM, YOU WERE ACTUALLY AT A CAL CITY'S PLANNING COMMISSION ACADEMY AND I DIDN'T APPRECIATE THE TOMATOES THAT YOU WERE THROWING AT ME
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WHEN I WAS ON THAT PANEL.OKAY, CYNTHIA, I JUST HAVE A FEW THINGS.
UM, I ATTENDED A SURVIVOR'S PANEL OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AT THE HOUSE OF RUTH.
UM, THEY HAD SEVERAL EVENTS, UM, THROUGHOUT THE MONTH OF OCTOBER BECAUSE IT'S THE AWARENESS MONTH AND IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I'VE BEEN OUT THERE AND WORK FIRSTHAND WITH STAFF.
AND I'M JUST, I'M GRATEFUL THAT WE ALL, UM, ALWAYS COMMIT OUR CDBG FUNDS TO HOUSE OF RUTH.
UM, IT'S A GREAT ORGANIZATION.
I HOPE WE'RE PROMOTING IT AT SOME POINT ON OUR CITY WEBSITE UNDER RESOURCES FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
SO IF WE'RE NOT, IF WE COULD PUT SOMETHING ON THERE, I HAVEN'T CHECKED, WE COULD HAVE SOMETHING THERE, BUT JUST REMINDED ME TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE WORD OUT TO RESIDENTS, THAT THAT'S A RESOURCE FOR THEM.
UM, I WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THE FIRST TEEN ADVISORY BOARD MEETING IF WE ALREADY HAD A, UM, IF WE HAD A CITY MANAGER MEMO AND I MISSED IT.
I'M SORRY, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR A RECAP OF HOW THAT WENT.
I WAS THERE, WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL ME NOW, BUT I WON'T.
MAYBE BEN, IF YOU WANNA GIVE A MEMO TO US OF HOW THAT WENT.
WERE YOU THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS THERE FROM COUNCIL? I DID AN INITIAL GREETING AND WE GET A QUESTION AND ANSWER FOR 15, 20 MINUTES.
SO I JUST WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN, UM, ALSO ONE LAST THING.
UM, BOYS REPUBLIC HAS HAD A BUMPER CROP OF PUMPKINS, BEAUTIFUL PUMPKINS, DIFFERENT SHAPE SIZES, COLORS.
UH, FOR A DONATION OF $30, YOU GET A HUGE BOX.
SO YOU CAN JUST GO TO THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING OFFICE AND PICK UP A BOX OF PUMPKINS.
THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL GROWN RIGHT HERE.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT IN 15 YEARS ON THIS COUNCIL AND 14 YEARS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, TONIGHT'S MEETING FOR ME PERSONALLY WAS ONE OF THE MOST DIFFICULT MEETINGS I'VE EVER HAD.
UH, I WANNA PUBLICLY APOLOGIZE TO ANYONE THAT WAS IN ATTENDANCE IF THEY FELT THAT MY COMMENTS AND PUTTING ACROSS MY POINTS OF VIEW WAS UNPROFESSIONAL OR HURTFUL.
UH, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO TELL IT LIKE IT IS AND YOU HAVE TO TAKE AN ACTION THAT IS REQUIRED TO TAKE CARE OF ISSUES.
AND I APOLOGIZE FOR, UH, NOT COMING ACROSS THAT.
IT WAS OBVIOUSLY VERY, VERY EMOTIONAL.
I WISH I COULD HAVE NOT BEEN HERE.
UM, I AM HAPPY I EVEN MADE IT THROUGH THE REST OF THE MEETING, MADE ME SICK TO MY STOMACH, BUT I APOLOGIZE TO THOSE THAT ARE STILL IN ATTENDANCE AND TO THOSE THAT ARE ALREADY GONE.
UH, AND BOB, UH, YOU KNOW, SORRY THAT WE HAD TO TAKE THIS, UH, DIFFICULT ACTION, BUT, UH, MY APOLOGIES.
AND, UH, THAT'S IT FOR TONIGHT.
UH, JUST TWO ITEMS. ONE, I KNOW I'VE SEEN MORE COYOTES IN TOWN EVEN TODAY AT WICKMAN.
UM, THEY HAD TO SHUT DOWN THE PLAYGROUND 'CAUSE THE COYOTE JUMPED ONTO THE PLAYGROUND AND FREAKED OUT THE KIDS.
SO IF WE CAN DO MAYBE MORE WITH JUST OUTREACH ON, YOU KNOW, WITH THE HUMANE SOCIETY, LIKE WHAT YOU DO.
I KNOW WHEN WE WALK OUR VERY VICIOUS GOLDEN DOODLE, WE HAVE A LITTLE COYOTE WHISTLE, YOU KNOW, JUST TO KIND OF SCARE 'EM AWAY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN 'EM AND I HAVEN'T SEEN 'EM IN A LONG TIME AND THEY'RE, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIVE IN THE CANYON, BUT WE, YOU KNOW, OVER IN FAIRFIELD RANCH, YOU KNOW, SAW ONE WALKING DOWN THE STREET.
SO THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY OUT THERE LOOKING.
SO IF WE CAN JUST KIND OF DO MORE IN TERMS OF LETTING THE PUBLIC KNOW WHAT TO DO, AND THEN AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE IF WE COULD MAYBE HAVE A STAFF REPORT, UH, AT A COUNCIL MEETING OR A MEMO.
I KNOW, UM, WASTE MANAGEMENT HAD SENT OUT, I THINK THEIR ANNUAL FLYER AND IT, AND IT STARTED TO REFER TO POTENTIAL FINES AND FEES FOR NOT PROPERLY RECYCLING.
SO I THINK RESIDENTS SHOULD PROBABLY KNOW WHAT THEORETICALLY COULD BE COMING DOWN THE ROAD IF YOU'RE PUTTING STUFF IN THE WRONG BIN.
SO OTHER THAN THAT, HEY BRIAN, A COUPLE COUPLE YEARS AGO WE ACTUALLY HAD A MEETING AT, UH, THE COMMUNITY CENTER REGARDING COYOTES.
SO MY WIFE WAS ON A HIKE WITH THE WHISTLE.
AND TWO MORE COYOTES CAME HERE.
SO SERIOUSLY, WE NEED MORE ROAD RUNNERS OUT THERE GETTING THE COYOTES
I LEAVE TO SAY BARBARA WAS HERE.
I'LL HAVE TO ASK HER NEXT TIME.
SPEAKING OF APOLOGIES, I WANTED TO APOLOGIZE TO OUR FAVORITE PIO FOR NOT CALLING HER MY OUR FAVORITE PIO IT WAS CALLED TO MY ATTENTION, SO THANK YOU.
UM, THAT'S SAYING A LOT FOLLOWING DENISE.
THAT'S, THAT'S, WELL, DENISE ISN'T HERE UP.
UH, WANTED TO REPORT IN ON OUR CHINO HILLS COMMUNITY FOUNDATION WINE WALK EVENT, WHICH, UH, WE NOW HAVE SOME NUMBERS THAT PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS INTERESTED IN.
FIRST OF ALL, WE HAD 80 VOLUNTEERS, WHICH WAS AWESOME.
WE HAD A GREAT CORE OF VOLUNTEERS AND WE COULD NOT MAKE THAT EVENT HAPPEN WITHOUT THE VOLUNTEERS.
FIRST OF ALL, 55 LOCATIONS FOR FOOD.
UH, AND THE VARIOUS, UH, POURING LOCATIONS, 55 TOTAL.
GREAT FEEDBACK FROM, FROM THE COMMUNITY STAFF WAS AWESOME.
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REALLY STEPPED UP AS USUAL, HAVE BECOME PROFESSIONALS ON, ON PUTTING THAT EVENT TOGETHER.AS FAR AS NUMBERS, WE HAD, UH, 1,460 INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE ACCOUNTED FOR TICKETS AND PROFIT WISE, AFTER ALL EXPENSES.
UH, THE, THE FOUNDATION MADE $123,000, WHICH IS RIGHT IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE THE LAST THREE YEARS POST COVID.
SO THAT'LL ALL GO BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY.
BUT A AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK VOLUNTEERS FIRST FOR EVERYTHING.
THERE'S A COUPLE IN HERE THAT I'M SEEING AND THEN ALSO CITY STAFF JUST, UH, THEY, THEY KNOCKED IT OUTTA THE PARK AS USUAL AND THEY, THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND THEY JUST GO TO IT AND PUT IT TOGETHER.
AND IT LOOKS SEAMLESS WHEN THE EVENT STARTS AT FOUR O'CLOCK.
YOU HAVE, WELL, YOU'RE ONE OF OUR VOLUNTEERS.
WELL, WELL, I WAS LEANING IN MAYOR, UH, BOTH DANIEL VOLUNTEER AND I, DANIEL VOLUNTEERED.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SELECT A FAVORITE STAFF VOLUNTEER FROM THE EVENT? YES.
UM, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO STEP OUT LATER AND TELL YOU WHO THAT PERSON WOULD BE.
WELL, ACTUALLY HE STEPPED IN OUR, OUR PERSON ASSIGNED TO THAT LOCATION HADN'T SHOWN UP ON TIME.
WHO WAS THAT? OH, THAT WAS BEN.
SO HE STEPPED UP AND SAID, I'M IN.
SO ANYWAY, WE HAD A GREAT EVENT.
ALL THOSE, THOSE THAT WERE THERE HAVE ALL ACKNOWLEDGED THAT IT WAS A, A FUN EVENT.
AND, UH, WE'LL START PLANNING AGAIN IN SIX MONTHS.
WE HAD A WRAP UP MEETING LAST NIGHT, UH, AND EVERYBODY WAS VERY HAPPY WITH HOW IT UNFOLDED.
[ ADJOURN IN MEMORIAM AND IN HOPE: Adjourn in tribute and honor of those who serve and have served in the Armed Forces at home and abroad. Their sacrifice and strength protect the goals and ideals that have made this Country great.]
THAT, UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING ELSE THEY HAVE IN MIND.THEN I WILL START THE ADJOURNMENT, ADJOURN AND TRIBUTE AND HONOR OF THOSE WHO SERVE AND HAVE SERVED IN THE ARMED FORCES AT HOME AND ABROAD, THEIR SACRIFICE AND STRENGTH PROTECT THE GOALS AND IDEALS THAT HAVE MADE THIS COUNTRY GREAT.
AND ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT WITH, UH, VETERANS DAY COMING UP.
SO WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED.