[7. PUBLIC COMMENTS: At this time members of the public may address the City Council regarding any item appearing on the agenda, except that testimony on Public Hearing items must be provided during those hearings. Those persons wishing to address the City Council must complete and submit to the Deputy City Clerk a "Request to Speak" card available at the entrance to the City Council Chambers. Comments will be limited to a maximum of three minutes per speaker. The time allotted per person may vary depending on the total number of speaker cards received. This comment period will generally be limited to 30 minutes per meeting, so not all members of the public may have the opportunity to speak at every council meeting.]

CHERYL, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS? AT THIS TIME, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING ANY ITEM PREPARING, APPEARING ON THE AGENDA EXCEPT TESTIMONY ON PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS WHICH MUST BE PROVIDED AT THOSE HEARINGS.

THOSE PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL MUST COMPLETE AND SUBMIT TO THE DEPUTY CITY CLERK A REQUEST TO SPEAK CARD AVAILABLE AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS. AT THIS TIME, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS FOR THIS PORTION OF OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MOVING ALONG. CONFLICTS OF INTEREST IN LIVING ACT ANNOUNCEMENTS.

[ CONFLICT OF INTEREST / LEVINE ACT ANNOUNCEMENTS: Council Member abstentions or disclosures shall be stated at this time for recordation on the appropriate item.]

ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ANYTHING TO REPORT? ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON. WE WILL MOVE ON TO CITY BUSINESS ITEMS. WE HAVE CONSENT ITEMS EIGHT THROUGH 2013.

[ CONSENT CALENDAR (13 ITEMS) - All matters listed on the Consent Calendar are considered routine by the City Council and may be enacted by one motion in the form listed below. There will be no separate discussion of these items unless, before the City Council votes on the motion to adopt, Members of the City Council or staff request the matter to be removed from the Consent Calendar for separate action. Removed consent items will be discussed immediately after the adoption of the balance of the Consent Calendar.]

ITEMS TOTAL. ANYONE WISH TO PULL ANY OF THESE? ALL RIGHT. I JUST LIKE TO PULL 12 AND 13 FOR INFORMATION. OKAY.

I'M SORRY. CYNTHIA. 12 AND 13.

ANY AND THE OTHERS. THEN A MOTION.

I'LL MOVE THE REMAINDER.

ALL RIGHT. SECOND. ALL RIGHT.

LOCK IN YOUR VOTES, PLEASE.

COUNCIL MEMBER. WILL YOU LOCK IN YOUR VOTE? ALL RIGHT. THANKS, JOE.

AND COUNCIL MEMBER MAYOR, VICE MAYOR JOE.

THANK YOU. MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO.

OKAY. THANK YOU. NEXT IS OUR DISCUSSION CALENDAR.

AND THIS ITEM. NO, NO.

12 AND 13. YOU'RE RIGHT.

[12. Authorize execution of Amendment No. 4 to Agreement No. A2021-185 with Chino Valley Unified School District in amount $786,173.33 for School Resource Officer Program at Ayala High School, Chino Hills High School, and additional coverage at Chino Hills elementary, junior high, and high schools as needed for 2025-26 school year]

[13. Authorize execution of one-year agreement with City of Chino, Chino Valley Unified School District (CVUSD) and All City Management Services, Inc. with two additional one-year renewal options for total contract amount not-to-exceed $191,780.13 to provide crossing guard services at CVUSD elementary sites]

BY CYNTHIA. I JUST PULLED THESE ITEMS TO HIGHLIGHT THE FACT, SINCE WE HAVE KIND OF BUDGET ON THE BRAIN THESE DAYS WITH OUR LITTLE THINGS THAT ARE COMING OUT AND WHERE ALL OUR MONEY IS BEING SPENT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO REALIZE THAT WE INVEST.

AND I LIKE SAYING THE WORD INVEST NEARLY $1 MILLION A YEAR IN SCHOOL SAFETY IN THE FORM OF SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS AND CROSSING GUARDS.

THAT'S CITY PAYING FOR THINGS WITH SCHOOL SAFETY.

SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE.

AND I'M GLAD HIS TEAM, ALL OF US ALWAYS SUPPORT THAT.

AND WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. OKAY.

AND JUST SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT ITEM IS ON ITEM NUMBER 12, IT TALKED ABOUT AN AMOUNT OF $786,000 FOR SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS AT AYALA HIGH SCHOOL, CHINO HILLS HIGH SCHOOL AND ADDITIONAL COVERAGE AT CHINO HILLS ELEMENTARY, JUNIOR HIGH AND HIGH SCHOOLS AS NEEDED FOR THE 25, 26 AND ON ITEM 13. IT TALKS ABOUT $191,000 TO PROVIDE CROSSING GUARD SERVICES FOR CVUSD ELEMENTARY SITES. SO THAT'S JUST.

YES. ANOTHER QUESTION.

AND ARE WE TAKING THIS MOTION? AND SECOND ON BOTH ITEMS. AND THE VOTE WILL BE FOR BOTH ITEMS. I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENT AS WELL.

JUST AND I'LL CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

SO IT'S ONE SRO AT EACH OF THE HIGH SCHOOLS, ONE THAT GOES BETWEEN THE TWO JUNIOR HIGHS AND THEN ONE THAT ROTATES BETWEEN THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS. CORRECT? NO, NO. WE CURRENTLY HAVE THREE SROS.

SO ONE IS DEDICATED TO CHINO HILLS HIGH SCHOOL.

ONE IS DEDICATED TO AYALA HIGH SCHOOL.

AND THEN THE THIRD ONE FILLS IN AT THE HIGH SCHOOLS ON THE FIFTH DAY BECAUSE I THINK THEY WORK A 410 SCHEDULE AND THEN ALSO COVERS PRIMARILY THE JUNIOR HIGHS AND THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS. GOTCHA. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ARE WE GOING TO TAKE A VOTE ON BOTH? I GOT ANOTHER QUESTION.

ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD. THIS IS TO THE CITY MANAGER.

I NOTICED THAT WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SO MUCH. PRETTY CLOSE TO 18 TO $20 MILLION A YEAR.

SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE COST FOR SERGEANT, LIEUTENANT, ALL THAT'S PART OF THE CONTRACT.

BUT I NOTICE THAT THERE'S DUPLICATE CHARGES, LIKE FOR A SERGEANT, LIEUTENANT FOR A RESOURCE SAFETY OFFICER.

BUT THAT'S JUST HOW THEY DO BUSINESS. CORRECT. I KNOW WHEN I, I LOOKED AT IT, I HAD QUESTIONS, AND YOU EXPLAINED THAT TO ME.

IF YOU COULD WRITE, YOU KNOW, YOUR QUESTION.

COUNCIL MEMBER MARQUEZ WAS ENSURING THAT WE WEREN'T DOUBLE COUNTING THE COSTS ASSOCIATED

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WITH MANAGEMENT STAFF.

OUR FULL COMPLEMENT OF OFFICERS INCLUDES BOTH MANAGEMENT AND DEPUTIES OUT ON THE STREET, AND ALL THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH MANAGEMENT AND VEHICLES.

AND THINGS ARE KIND OF ROLLED IN, BUT WE'RE NOT DOUBLE COUNTING.

THIS WAS JUST A WAY FOR US TO SHOW A PROPORTION OF THAT COST FOR THESE PARTICULAR USES AS SCHOLZ. SO JUST AN ACCOUNTING FOR JUST BALANCING IT THROUGH ACCOUNTING.

RIGHT. BUT THERE'S NO DOUBLE COUNTING. IT'S MORE OF AN ALLOCATION THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO PUT IT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT.

SO YOUR MOTION IS FOR BOTH 12 AND 13.

YES. CAN I HAVE A SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. HERE WE GO.

LOCK IN YOUR VOTES, PLEASE. MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NOW WE HAVE ONE DISCUSSION.

[21. Review and file update for City Hall Fire State of Emergency Declaration in accordance with Public Construction Code 22050 and emergency authority under Chino Hills Municipal Code 2.08.065.A.1; determine by four-fifths vote the need to continue existence of local emergency for City Hall Fire until action is terminated; and appropriate $900,000 from General Fund]

ITEM NUMBER 21. BEN, WHY DON'T YOU DISCUSS WHAT THIS COVERS? THANK YOU, MAYOR, COUNCIL AND MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT.

WHAT WE ARE ASKING THE COUNCIL TO DO IS RECEIVE A REPORT ON THE EMERGENCY LOCAL EMERGENCY THAT WAS DECLARED ASSOCIATED WITH THE FIRE THAT WE HAD HERE AT CITY HALL FOR A LITTLE BACKGROUND FOR ANYONE WHO'S NOT AWARE.

ON JUNE 23RD, WE HAD A FIRE IN ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF CITY HALL.

THAT FIRE CAUSED TWO OF OUR SPRINKLERS TO TRIGGER, AND THAT SUBSEQUENTLY PUT QUITE A BIT OF WATER INTO THE BUILDING.

THAT WATER DAMAGED A VARIETY OF AREAS ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

MOST OF THE FIRST FLOOR.

AND SINCE THAT INCIDENT, WE'VE HAD STAFF WORKING IN ALTERNATE WORK AREAS INSTEAD OF BEING IN THEIR NORMAL OFFICES IN CITY HALL, WE HAVE THEM IN TEMPORARY OFFICE TRAILERS.

WE HAVE THEM WORKING JUST OUTSIDE OF THIS COUNCIL CHAMBERS, PROVIDING SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC AND DOING THEIR NORMAL DAY TO DAY JOBS.

WE ACTUALLY HAD TO SUSPEND DIRECT SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC FOR FIVE DAYS WHILE WE WORKED OUT THESE ALTERNATE LOCATIONS.

AND WE WERE ABLE TO RESTORE SERVICE ON JULY 1ST.

ON JULY 8TH, THE COUNCIL TOOK AN ACTION TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING A LOCAL EMERGENCY. WHAT THIS DID IS IT GAVE US MORE FLEXIBILITY IN ORDER TO QUICKLY MOVE THROUGH THE REMEDIATION AND RESTORATION OF CITY HALL.

I GRANTED THE CITY MANAGER ADDITIONAL AUTHORITY TO EXECUTE AGREEMENTS OR MODIFY AGREEMENTS WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCESS FOR FORMAL BIDDING.

IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THE STAFF AND THAT HAVE BEEN DEDICATED TO THIS EFFORT, WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR INSURANCE PROVIDER AND THEIR CLAIMS REVIEW AND ADJUSTMENT TEAMS IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE TAKING THE MOST EFFICIENT, BUT STILL COST EFFECTIVE PATH TOWARD RESTORING THE CITY HALL.

WE'RE GETTING PRETTY CLOSE.

SINCE THE LAST JULY 8TH MEETING, WE'VE HAD ALMOST ALL OF THE REMEDIATION WORK DONE ON BOTH FLOORS. WE'VE HAD RECONSTRUCTION, WHICH HAS OCCURRED, AND IT'S WELL UNDERWAY ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

WE'VE HAD DRYWALL, CARPETING, PAINTING AND SEALING ALL DONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR. AND WE ANTICIPATE WE'LL BE ABLE TO START MOVING STAFF BACK INTO CITY HALL ON THE SECOND FLOOR BEGINNING EARLY NEXT WEEK.

WE'VE ALSO DONE QUITE A BIT OF THE REMEDIATION ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

ADDITIONALLY, YOU KNOW, TILE CEILING TILE REMOVAL, CARPET REMOVAL, WE'RE DOING PATCHING AND PAINTING ON THAT FLOOR AS WELL.

WE'RE KIND OF THREE WEEKS OR SO BEHIND ON THE FIRST FLOOR WHERE WE ARE ON THE SECOND FLOOR, JUST BECAUSE THE DAMAGE WAS MORE EXTENSIVE THERE.

AND SO IT'S TAKEN US LONGER TO GET THAT MOVING FORWARD.

BUT WE'RE LOOKING TOWARD HAVING THE SECOND FLOOR.

I'M SORRY. THE FIRST FLOOR ALSO HAVE STAFF REMOVED.

RETURNING TO CITY HALL WITHIN A MONTH OR SO.

PART OF THE PROCESS FOR THE LOCAL EMERGENCY IS THAT AT EACH SUCCESSIVE COUNCIL MEETING, WE ARE REQUIRED TO GIVE THE COUNCIL AN UPDATE OF WHAT WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED UNDER THE LOCAL EMERGENCY. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY I'M WALKING THROUGH ALL OF THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE.

ALL, ALL IN ALL, WE'RE ESTIMATING THAT THIS PROJECT TO RESTORE CITY HALL WILL COST ABOUT $4.5 MILLION. THE MAJORITY OF THAT IS BEING PAID FOR BY OUR INSURANCE PROVIDER, THE CALIFORNIA JOINT POWERS INSURANCE AUTHORITY.

WE HAVE ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED $2.1 MILLION WORTH OF THAT WORK.

800 OR SO THOUSAND DOLLARS OF THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DIRECTLY PAID BY THE CJPIA WE'VE GOT ABOUT $1 MILLION THAT HAS IS CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS AND THAT

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300 OR SO THOUSAND. REMAINDER IS AS WILL BE JOINED IN THE PROCESS AS WELL.

BUT WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING THAT THOSE COSTS WILL BE, YOU KNOW, DISALLOWED BY THE INSURANCE COMPANY.

BUT THAT BEING SAID, WHAT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING FROM THE COUNCIL TONIGHT IS TO ALLOCATE $900,000 OF GENERAL FUND BUDGET IN ORDER TO FACILITATE THE CONTINUATION OF THE WORK.

THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE'RE WORKING WITH CONTRACTORS WHO WOULD PREFER TO BE PAID BY THE CITY, RATHER THAN BEING PAID BY OUR INSURANCE COMPANY.

THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THE PROJECT MOVING FORWARD, MAKE THOSE PAYMENTS, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE THE REIMBURSEMENT FROM THE INSURANCE COMPANY SO THAT WE CAN KEEP THINGS MOVING FORWARD.

IT'S ALSO A KEY WAY FOR US TO JUST KEEP KEEP THE PACE.

OUR ORIGINAL KIND OF ESTIMATE FROM THE INSURANCE CLAIM ADJUSTERS WAS THAT IT COULD TAKE UP TO SIX MONTHS TO GET US BACK INTO CITY HALL AND FULLY RESTORED.

WE'RE IN A PACE AGAIN TO GET STAFF BACK IN IN TWO AND A HALF MONTHS.

THAT WON'T BE FULL RESTORATION, BUT IT'LL GET US A LONG WAY.

WE HAVE SOME PROJECTS, LIKE RESTORING FUNCTIONALITY TO THE ELEVATOR.

SOME OF THE COUNTERTOPS WERE DAMAGED, AND THOSE WILL TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER FOR US TO RESTORE. BUT ESSENTIALLY, WE'LL BE GETTING A LOT OF OUR STAFF BACK HERE AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO EXPAND SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

AND SO IN ADDITION, THOUGH, TO THE PROJECTS THAT WE ANTICIPATE WILL BE FULLY FUNDED BY THE INSURANCE COMPANY, WE'VE IDENTIFIED SOME AREAS WHERE IT MAKES SENSE FOR THE CITY TO SPEND MONEY IN AREAS OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THE DAMAGE.

THINGS THAT ARE LIKELY MORE EFFICIENT TO REPLACE WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS WORK.

AND SO WE'RE ALSO ASKING THAT THE COUNCIL CARVE OUT OF THAT $900,000, ROUGHLY $225,000 TO GIVE US FLEXIBILITY TO MAKE PURCHASES THAT LIKELY WON'T BE REIMBURSED. EXAMPLES INCLUDE MAYBE SOME OF THE COMPUTER EQUIPMENT THAT WASN'T DAMAGED BY THE FIRE, BUT IT'S A GOOD TIME OR DAMAGE BY THE WATER AS A RESULT OF THE FIRE.

THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME FOR US TO JUST REPLACE THINGS OR MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CITY HALL. WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ACTUALLY IT WILL BE THAT HIGH, BUT AS I POINTED OUT, WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO THE COUNCIL AT EVERY SUCCESSIVE MEETING SO WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER MEETING UNTIL SEPTEMBER.

THIS GIVES US A BIT OF FLEXIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD, AND THEN WE'LL ADJUST AS WE GO FORWARD.

SO WE'RE LOOKING ONE TO PROVIDE THIS UPDATE AND REPORT.

WE WOULD NEED THE COUNCIL TO TAKE AN ACTION TO CONTINUE THE EMERGENCY THE LOCAL EMERGENCY. AND THAT REQUIRES A 4/5 AFFIRMATIVE VOTE BY THE COUNCIL.

AND THEN WE'RE ALSO LOOKING TO DO THE BUDGET APPROPRIATION FOR THE 900,000.

AGAIN, ANTICIPATING THAT THE LION'S SHARE OF THAT WILL BE A REIMBURSEMENT FROM INSURANCE COMPANY. AND THAT INCLUDES MY CONCLUDES MY REPORT.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE.

PROCEDURALLY, WE NEED TO HAVE ANY COUNCIL DISCUSSION IF NECESSARY.

AND IN CONCLUSION OF THAT CONCLUSION OF THAT, THEN A MOTION AND A SECOND VOTE.

SO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.

I WILL MENTION YEAH. GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I WANT TO SAY THAT I DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS PERTAINING TO THE FIRE, AND I JUST WANT TO THANK THE CHIEF, DAVE, FOR PROVIDING ME GOOD INFORMATION.

PRESIDENT SARAH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE INFORMATION AND ALSO CITY MANAGER, THANK YOU FOR TALKING TO ME. SO THANK YOU.

YEAH. AND WE FOUND OUT THAT THERE WAS NO NEGLIGENCE ON ANY PART.

AND WHEN IT COMES TO THE EXPENDITURES THAT ARE BEING MADE.

BASICALLY, SINCE JP INSURANCE IS THE ONE THAT'S PAYING FOR ALL OF THIS.

IT'S NOT LIKE BEN IS APPROVING ALL OF THIS.

I MEAN, THEY'RE LOOKING OVER HIS SHOULDER AND THEY WILL APPROVE WHAT THEY BELIEVE IS COVERED OR ISN'T COVERED.

SO WITH NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

ITEM. ALL RIGHT. AND A SECOND.

I'LL SECOND. ALL RIGHT.

LOCK IN YOUR VOTES, PLEASE. MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 22,

[22. Approve Community Development Block Grant (CDBG) Program draft 2025-29 Consolidated Plan; approve CDBG Program draft 2025 Annual Action Plan; authorize City Manager to execute all agreements and required documents pertaining to submissions; and approve budget amendment reallocating funding and decreasing total budget by $41,737 in accordance with 2025 Action Plan]

WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

CHERYL, WOULD YOU PLEASE.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. TIM. WOULD YOU PLEASE DISCUSS THIS OR READ THIS INTO THE RECORD? SO THIS ITEM IS TO APPROVE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT PROGRAM DRAFT 2020 529 CONSOLIDATED PLAN AND APPROVE THE CDBG DRAFT 2025 ANNUAL ACTION PLAN.

THIS WILL BE PRESENTED BY SARAH SNYDER AND JEREMY GRAY.

WILL YOU PLEASE JOIN ME UP TO THE PODIUM?

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GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS TONIGHT, JEREMY GRAY, PRINCIPAL WITH MOSAIC COMMUNITY PLANNING, WILL BE PRESENTING THE CITY'S CITY OF CHINO HILLS DRAFT CONSOLIDATED PLAN FOR PROGRAM YEAR 2025 THROUGH 2029, ALONG WITH THE DRAFT ANNUAL ACTION PLAN FOR THE UPCOMING 2025 TO 2026 FISCAL YEAR.

FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL FOLLOWING JEREMY'S PRESENTATION, WE WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS JEREMY GRAY WITH MOSAIC COMMUNITY PLANNING.

MY FIRM HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY OF CHINO HILLS ON THIS PLAN.

WE'VE ALSO WORKED WITH THE CITY BEFORE ON PREVIOUS ITERATIONS OF THIS CONSOLIDATED PLAN. I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY NOT NEW INFORMATION FOR MANY OF YOU, AND SO I'LL MOVE PRETTY QUICKLY THROUGH SOME HIGHLIGHTS OF THE PROCESS THAT WE USE TO DEVELOP THE PLAN, AND A COUPLE OF THE OUTCOMES OF THAT PLANNING PROCESS.

IT'S ACTUALLY TWO DOCUMENTS. SO ONE IS A FIVE YEAR CONSOLIDATED PLAN THAT SETS AN OVERALL IDENTIFIES NEEDS, PRIORITIES AND SETS OVERALL STRATEGY FOR HOW THE CITY WILL USE ITS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT FUNDS OVER FIVE YEARS.

WE ALSO, AS PART OF THAT PREPARE THE FIRST OF FIVE ANNUAL ACTION PLANS.

THE CITY WILL CONTINUE TO DO THESE EVERY YEAR ANNUALLY.

SO WHEREAS THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN MIGHT ESTABLISH A PRIORITY TO FUND INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE CITY, THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN MIGHT SAY THIS YEAR WE'RE GOING TO SPEND, YOU KNOW, $400,000 ON THIS STREET OR THIS SIDEWALK. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO PLANS.

THE FUNDS AGAIN, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT PROGRAM.

FEDERAL FUNDS PROVIDED BY THE US DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DATA SOURCES THAT GO INTO THIS PLAN.

LOTS OF STANDARDIZED SOURCES LIKE THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY, WHICH IS A PRODUCT OF THE CENSUS BUREAU.

THERE ARE SOME HUD SPECIFIC DATA SOURCES THAT HUD PROVIDES DATA TO ITS GRANTEES AND ASK THEM TO TO WORK WITH THOSE AND TO USE THOSE YOU SEE THOSE REPRESENTED HERE, BUT ALSO LOCAL WORKS OF RESEARCH, SOMETHING LIKE THE CITY'S GENERAL PLAN, THE COUNTY'S HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN.

ALL OF THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE CONSULT TO IN PUTTING THE THE THE PLAN TOGETHER.

GOING ALONG WITH ALL THESE DATA SOURCES, THOUGH, IS ALSO INPUT THAT WE GET FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THROUGH ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS.

AND SO A FEW OF THE, THE THINGS THAT WE DID TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY ARE LISTED HERE ON THIS SLIDE. SO WE DID A SURVEY THAT WAS AVAILABLE ON ONLINE HARD COPY IN ENGLISH AND CHINESE AND SPANISH AS WELL.

WE HAD VIRTUAL OPTIONS THAT PEOPLE COULD JOIN ONLINE.

WE HAD FOCUS GROUPS WITH IN THIS CASE, IT WAS SOME, A COUPLE OF NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS SET THESE UP FOR US.

THESE, THESE FUNDS ARE INTENDED FOR LOW AND MODERATE INCOME COMMUNITIES.

AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE VOICES ARE REPRESENTED AND THE PROCESS THAT WE DO. AND SO HEART TO SERVE.

AND ALSO THE HOPE FAMILY RESOURCE CENTER PUT TOGETHER FOCUS GROUPS FOR US INVITING SOME OF THEIR CLIENTS OR CONSTITUENCIES TO, TO TALK WITH OUR PLANNERS.

WE POPPED UP ONE AFTERNOON AT THE CHINO HILLS COMMUNITY CENTER, KIND OF CATCHING SOME OF THE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS THAT WERE COMING ACROSS THE STREET, PEOPLE WHO WERE COMING AND GOING FROM VARIOUS PROGRAMS THERE WITH A PARTICIPATORY BUDGETING EXERCISE. AND THEN STAKEHOLDER CONSULTATIONS, JUST THROUGH EMAIL SURVEY QUESTIONNAIRE TOOLS AS WELL TO MAKE SURE KIND OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE A PROFESSIONAL INTEREST IN HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT IN CHINO HILLS ARE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE, TOO. IN TERMS OF THE FUNDING.

SO THE CURRENT YEAR'S FUNDING IS JUST OVER $400,000 THAT THE CITY WILL RECEIVE THROUGH THIS GRANT PROGRAM OVER FIVE YEARS.

IT'S AROUND $2 MILLION THAT WE WOULD EXPECT THE CITY TO RECEIVE.

THERE'S A NOTE HERE. I'M POINTING OUT THE CITY PARTICIPATES WITH SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY AS PART OF A CONSORTIUM TO RECEIVE FUNDS FROM THE HOME PROGRAM.

THAT'S A IT'S AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING GRANT.

SO THOSE FUNDS ARE SPECIFICALLY TIED TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISSUES, AND THEY'RE USED COUNTYWIDE.

THE CITY PARTICIPATING IN THAT ALLOWS THE CITY TO BE A POTENTIAL RECIPIENT OF THOSE.

THE COUNTY DICTATES WHERE THOSE FUNDS GO, BUT SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS COULD BE IN CHINO HILLS. THAT'S MUCH LARGER $2.9 MILLION THE COUNTY GETS EVERY YEAR FOR THE HOME PROGRAM.

AND SO FOR DIFFERENT PRIORITIES HERE THAT WE IDENTIFIED THROUGH THE DATA, THROUGH THE PUBLIC INPUT FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS OF THE CITY'S PROGRAM,

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ONE IS MAINTAINING AND EXPANDING HOUSING AFFORDABILITY.

SECOND, IMPROVING PUBLIC FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE.

THIRD, PROVIDING PUBLIC SERVICES.

AND THEN THE FOURTH IS A CATEGORY OF JUST MANAGING THE PROGRAM FUNDS THE THE ADMINISTRATIVE WORK AND THE PLANNING WORK THAT GOES INTO IT.

I'LL TOUCH ON EACH OF THOSE FOUR BRIEFLY JUST TO SHARE WITH YOU THE FUNDING.

SO THIS IS A FIVE YEAR FUNDING AMOUNT AND ALSO THE OUTCOMES WE WOULD EXPECT.

SO UNDER THE HOUSING AFFORDABILITY GOAL, THE CITY HAS TRADITIONALLY DONE A HOMEOWNER HOUSING REHABILITATION PROGRAM.

THE CITY WOULD CONTINUE TO FUND THAT PUTTING $95,000 INTO THAT PROGRAM, REHABBING TEN UNITS OVER THE FIVE YEARS, THE LARGEST SHARE OF THE FUNDING IS GOING TO GO TO THE SECOND GOAL FOR PUBLIC FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE.

$1.2 MILLION OVER FIVE YEARS.

TRADITIONALLY, HERE, THE CITY HAS FUNDED IMPROVEMENTS SPECIFICALLY IN THE LOS SERRANOS NEIGHBORHOOD. 4000 RESIDENTS WITHIN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BENEFIT FROM THINGS LIKE STREET RESURFACING, ADA RAMPS AND ACCESSIBILITY IMPROVEMENTS, SIDEWALKS WATER, STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THINGS OF THAT SORT.

PROVIDE PUBLIC SERVICES WAS THE THIRD GOAL.

HERE, THE CITY AND THE CITY IS CAPPED ON HOW MUCH OF ITS GRANT IT CAN USE TOWARD THIS PURPOSE. BUT THE CITY WORKS WITH SOME NONPROFITS THAT SERVE CHINO HILLS RESIDENTS, PROVIDES THEM SOME FUNDING FOR THEIR PROGRAMS. THAT COULD BE THINGS LIKE A LITERACY PROGRAM THROUGH THE SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY LIBRARY HOUSE OF RUTH DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SERVICES THE POMONA VALLEY HABITAT FOR HUMANITY.

WELL, IN THIS FIRST OF THE FIVE YEARS, RECEIVED SOME MONEY UNDER THE PUBLIC SERVICES PIECE. AND THEN FINALLY $400,000 HELPS THE CITY MANAGE THE PROGRAMS. THERE'S A LOT OF STRINGS ATTACHED TO THESE SMALL AMOUNT OF FEDERAL FUNDS, AND IT TAKES SOME WORK TO MAKE THE PLANNING HAPPEN.

CHECK ALL THOSE BOXES.

AND SO THE CITY WILL DO THAT.

ALSO INCLUDED HERE IS SOME FAIR HOUSING SERVICES THAT'S WORKING WITH INLAND FAIR HOUSING AND MEDIATION BOARD, TENANT AND LANDLORD MEDIATION COUNSELING, THINGS OF THAT SORT THAT GETS FUNDED OUT OF THAT 400,000.

CAN I INTERJECT WITH A QUESTION? I'M GOING TO FORGET BY THE END.

SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING.

SO UNDER THE PROGRAM ADMINISTRATION SO THE $400,000 THAT COMES FROM THE GRANT.

SO I WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT COMING OUT OF THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND. THAT'S ONE. AND THEN THE NEXT ONE, IT SAYS, SO OUT OF THIS POCKET OF MONEY, 75 RESIDENTS RECEIVE THE FAIR HOUSING.

BUT I KNOW UNDER THE OTHER POCKET, DON'T WE GIVE THEM A GRANT OF LIKE 5000 OR SOMETHING. SO BUT THEY'RE UNDER HERE. YEAH.

THAT IS RIGHT. THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THAT INLAND FAIR HOUSING OPERATES, AND SO ONE OF THEM COUNTS AS A FAIR HOUSING ACTIVITY.

THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF THE ADMIN THAT GOES TO THAT.

IT HAS TO DO WITH HOW THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TRACKS HOW THE GRANTS ARE USED.

AND SO SOME FAIR HOUSING SERVICES CAN'T BE FUNDED WITH THOSE PUBLIC SERVICES DOLLARS.

SO YOU USE THE ADMIN FOR THAT.

THE THINGS THAT CAN BE FUNDED THROUGH PUBLIC SERVICES GRANTS, WE DO THAT AND THAT DOESN'T CUT INTO YOUR ADMIN AMOUNT.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT LIKE, I MEAN, KNOWING THAT IS I MIGHT RETHINK WHEN I GIVE MY ALLOCATION OF INLAND FAIR HOUSING GETS ANYTHING. BECAUSE IF WE'RE SERVING 75 RESIDENTS ALREADY THROUGH THIS POCKET OF MONEY, WHY WOULD WE GIVE THEM 5 OR 10 OR $15,000 THROUGH THE OTHER ALLOCATION? I KNOW WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT TONIGHT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER OR CLARIFY WITH JONATHAN OR SARAH.

OKAY. SURE. YEAH. AND WE WERE AT THE END ANYWAY.

SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I THAT WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.

I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. SURE. SO WHEN YOU WHEN YOU PUT TOGETHER YOUR RESIDENT FOCUS GROUPS, YOU SAID THIS LAST YEAR YOU USED HARD TO SERVE AND THE HOPE RESOURCE CENTER.

SO HOW DO YOU CHOOSE YOUR FOCUS GROUPS? BECAUSE I KNOW THEY WERE RECIPIENTS IN THE PAST. SO THAT'S ONE WAY. BUT HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT EXPANDING HOW YOU PUT TOGETHER FOCUS GROUPS? YEAH, WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO WE, WE WOULD HAVE REACHED OUT TO SOME OTHER.

WE DID REACH OUT TO SOME OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TO, TO SEE IF WE COULD PUT SOME OTHERS TOGETHER.

I THINK THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT CAME TOGETHER.

THOSE ORGANIZATIONS WERE WILLING TO WORK WITH US, BUT CERTAINLY WE COULD WORK WITH, AS YOU KNOW, MORE THAN THAT, PROBABLY FOR YOUR OWN INFORMATION, YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN THIS YET, BUT I KNOW THAT HEART TO SERVE DID A PUBLIC EMAIL ANNOUNCEMENT THAT THEY'RE CLOSING THEIR DOORS, UNFORTUNATELY. SO YOU PROBABLY ALREADY KNEW THAT.

WE LEARNED THAT IN THE FOCUS GROUP THAT WE WERE DOING WITH THEM, WE LEARNED THAT NEWS. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE I THOUGHT ABOUT, OUR CHINO VALLEY FIRE FOUNDATION REALLY HAS A PULSE OF THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS. SO I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO MAYBE SEEK BEYOND OUR RECIPIENTS TO SOME OTHER COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE A REAL PULSE ON THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY TO FOR FOCUS GROUPS THAT ARE MORE LIKELY TO PARTICIPATE AS WELL.

GREAT. THAT WAS ALL I HAVE.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

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ALL RIGHT. AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY REQUESTS TO SPEAK? WE DO NOT. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY QUESTION ABOUT THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING IT BACK UP FOR DISCUSSION AND MOTION.

GOOD. I'D LIKE TO MOVE THE ITEM.

ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION. HOW ABOUT A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND FROM.

PETER. ALL RIGHT. LOCK IN YOUR VOTES, PLEASE.

MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORT. WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

OKAY, CHERYL. MR. MAYOR, I GOT A QUESTION.

MY SCREEN WENT DEAD, JUST SO YOU GUYS KNOW, IT'S DAD UP HERE.

IS IT? THERE IT GOES. IT'S UP NOW.

THANK YOU. THANKS FOR HAVING.

BY THE WAY, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE FIRE DAMAGE AND EVERYTHING, PEOPLE LOOK IN THIS ROOM AND THEY SAY IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE WAS ANY PROBLEM. REMEMBER, THERE'S NO SECOND FLOOR TO THIS. SO THERE WAS NO FIRE UPSTAIRS AND WATER DAMAGE COMING DOWN.

WE HAD IN THE ADJACENT HALLWAY AND OUR CLOSED SESSION AND THE BATHROOM AND THE GALLEY AND EVERYTHING ON THAT SIDE OF THAT WALL.

WE HAD A LOT OF DAMAGE.

SO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY.

BECAUSE I KNOW THE FIRST TIME WE ALL MOVED IN HERE, IT'S LIKE OR CAME IN HERE, WE THOUGHT WHAT DAMAGE UNTIL WE WENT IN AND TOOK A TOUR. SO BEHIND THE CURTAIN, YOU'LL SEE THAT'S WHERE HALF THE STAFF ARE WORKING. YEAH. AND ACTUALLY STAFF MOVES THEIR INFORMATION OR SOME OF THEIR FILES AND EVERYTHING. THEY'RE ACTUALLY WORKING IN THIS AREA AS WELL.

SO. ALL RIGHT, MOVING RIGHT ALONG TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

[23. PUBLIC COMMENTS: At this time, members of the public may address the City Council regarding any items within the subject matter jurisdiction of the Council that do not appear on the agenda. Please complete and submit to the Deputy City Clerk a "Request to Speak" card. Comments will be limited to a maximum of three minutes per speaker. The time allotted per person may vary depending on the total number of speakers received: three (3) minutes for 1-10 speakers; two (2) minutes for 11-15 speakers; and one (1) minute for 16 or more speakers.This comment period will generally be limited to 30 minutes per meeting, so not all members of the public may have the opportunity to speak at every council meeting.]

CHERYL, PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT PORTION OF THE AGENDA THIS IS UNDER PUBLIC COMMENTS.

OKAY. AT THIS TIME, THE PUBLIC MAY ADDRESS THE COUNCIL REGARDING ANY ITEMS WITHIN THE SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION THAT DO NOT APPEAR ON THE AGENDA.

PLEASE COMPLETE AND SUBMIT A SPEAKER CARD TO THE DEPUTY CITY CLERK.

TO MY LEFT. WE DO HAVE SPEAKER CARDS AT THIS TIME.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE FIVE.

OKAY, SO WITH FIVE WE WILL LIMIT THE TIME TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON PER SPEAKER.

ALL RIGHT. DID EVERYONE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS REQUESTING.

YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. ALL RIGHT. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS THE FIRST ONE.

JASSER.

GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL.

I CAME ACTUALLY A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

IT'S BEEN A MINUTE. BUT FROM THAT TALK, I GOT SOME FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL MEMBER RAY MARQUEZ TO REACH OUT TO LIZ CARLOCK, THE FINANCE MANAGER, WHICH I DID. SHE LEFT A NICE VOICE MESSAGE FOR ME.

SO THIS IS LIKE THE FOLLOW UP TO THAT, JUST TO GIVE SOME CONTEXT.

SO I'VE KIND OF RAN MY SPEECH DOWN.

I'LL TRY TO GET THROUGH IT QUICKLY, BUT GOOD EVENING AGAIN, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS JASPER AND TODAY I'M HERE TO PRESENT THE RESPONSIBLE INVESTMENT POLICY PROPOSAL. I'VE JUST HANDED IT ON RECORD TO THE CITY CLERK TO PASS OUT.

AND SO SIMPLY PUT, THIS POLICY IS ASKING THE CITY TO ADOPT A CLEAR ETHICAL GUIDELINES FOR ITS INVESTMENTS AND TO CREATE A RESPONSIBLE INVESTMENT COMMITTEE OF FINANCE STAFF, RESIDENTS AND A COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE.

THE COMMITTEE WOULD REVIEW HOLDINGS, BUILD ON THE EXISTING MONTHLY REPORTS THAT ARE REALLY GOOD BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PRETTY TRANSPARENT ON THE ON THE FINANCES OF THE CITY, AND IT ENSURES THE CITY'S INVESTMENTS ARE BOTH FISCALLY SOUND AND ALIGNED WITH COMMUNITY VALUES.

I WANT TO COMMEND OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT FOR ITS STRONG STEWARDSHIP OF PUBLIC FUNDS.

AS OF JUNE 2025, THE CITY'S PORTFOLIO EARNED AN AVERAGE YIELD OF 4.92%, OUTPERFORMING THE BENCHMARK OF 4.53%.

THAT PERFORMANCE HAS PROVIDED MEANINGFUL, MEANINGFUL REVENUE TO HELP OFFSET WHAT I'M SURE ON EVERYONE'S MIND, WHICH IS THE $2 MILLION GENERAL FUND DEFICIT PROJECTED FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR.

IT SHOWS THE DEPARTMENT'S CAPABILITY IN MANAGING ASSETS EFFECTIVELY.

SO STRENGTHENING AND BUILDING ON THAT FOUNDATION WITH A RESPONSIBLE INVESTMENT FRAMEWORK WILL HELP PROTECT THESE RESULTS FROM FUTURE VOLATILITY.

SOME CURRENT HOLDINGS ARE IN INDUSTRIES FACING HEIGHTENED SCRUTINY AND VOLATILITY.

WHILE THESE INVESTMENTS MAY BE PROFITABLE IN THE SHORT TERM, SUDDEN MARKET SHIFTS, SANCTIONS OR LAWSUITS COULD FORCE QUICK DIVESTMENT AND RESULT IN LOSSES.

A RESPONSIBLE INVESTMENT FRAMEWORK WOULD ALLOW THE CITY TO IDENTIFY AND ADDRESS SUCH RISKS, PROACTIVELY DIVERSIFYING BEFORE THEY HARM THE BOTTOM LINE.

CITIES LIKE BURBANK, PASADENA AND SANTA MONICA, THOSE ARE EXAMPLES OF THAT ARE IN THE PROPOSAL HAVE ADOPTED SIMILAR POLICIES, MAINTAINING COMPETITIVE RETURNS WHILE STEERING CLEAR OF HIGH RISK SECTORS.

THEY DEMONSTRATE THAT FISCAL PRUDENCE AND ETHICAL INVESTING CAN WORK HAND IN HAND.

I'M ASKING THE COUNCIL TO ADOPT THIS POLICY AND TO FORM THE COMMITTEE.

THIS IS ABOUT. THIS IS ABOUT PROTECTING CHINO HILLS FINANCIAL FUTURE AND STRENGTHENING THE PORTFOLIO STABILITY AND GIVING RESIDENTS A VOICE IN SAFEGUARDING THEIR TAX DOLLARS.

I'LL BE EMAILING THIS TONIGHT AS WELL TO PROVIDE LINKS TO THE EXAMPLES I PROVIDED WITH

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OTHER CITIES, AND MORE THAN HAPPY TO TALK ON THIS MORE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT.

WE APPRECIATE IT. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JIM GALLAGHER.

GOOD EVENING MAYOR, COUNCIL STAFF, FELLOW RESIDENTS.

I TOO AM SPEAKING ABOUT THE INVESTMENT POLICY TONIGHT.

THE RESIDENTS REQUEST TO LOOK AT OUR INVESTMENT POLICIES PROMPTED ME AS WELL TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, AND TECHNICALLY IT'S REALLY GOOD.

AS JASPER POINTED OUT, IT INCLUDES A COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT ON THE FUND, THE GENERAL FUND, THE SPECIAL REPORT FUND, THE THE DEBT SERVICE FUND, THE CAPITAL PROJECT FUND, AS YOU KNOW, THE ENTERPRISE FUND, INTERNAL SERVICES, ALSO THE FIDUCIARY FUNDS THAT THAT GO TO THE CITY.

SO. MANY MISSION FOCUSED ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE SEE, LIKE JASPER MENTIONED, INCLUDE A SPECIFIC SECTION IN THEIR INVESTMENT PORTFOLIO THAT DIRECTLY ADDRESSES AN APPROACH TO SUSTAINABLE, RESPONSIBLE AND IMPACT INVESTING THAT DELIBERATELY INVEST PORTFOLIOS IN A MANNER THAT INCREASED PROGRAMMATIC IMPACT.

THERE'S NEGATIVE CRITERIA, THOUGH, THAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT.

SOMETIMES WE SHOULD AVOID COMPANIES THAT ASSESS THAT ASSESSES HAVING SYSTEMATICALLY FAILED IN PROTECTING THE ENVIRONMENT, HUMAN RIGHTS WORKERS, OR THAT PROVE UNWILLING TO ENGAGE IN A MEANINGFUL PROCESS OF CHANGE.

AND WE SHOULD TYPICALLY AVOID INVESTMENTS IN COMPANIES WITH AGRARIAS ENVIRONMENTAL PROFILES. SO EXAMPLES OF COMPANIES LIKE THIS WOULD WOULD BE COMPANIES THAT REMOVE COMPANIES, THAT REMOVE MATERIAL INVOLVEMENT IN BUSINESSES THAT HAVE HIGH RISKS SUCH AS AGRICULTURAL BIOTECHNOLOGY, COAL MINING, HARD ROCK MINING, NUCLEAR POWER, ANIMAL WELFARE, ENVIRONMENT, TOBACCO WEAPONS AND FIREARMS. I THINK THOSE ARE COMPANIES THAT WE WOULDN'T WANT TO INVEST IN.

MANY ORGANIZATIONS WILL CHOOSE TO IDENTIFY POSITIVE TRAITS FOR COMPANIES OR OTHER SECURITIES THAT ARE BEST IN CLASS APPROACH.

SO EXAMPLES OF COMPANIES LIKE THAT OR COMPANIES THAT SUPPORT BOARD DIVERSITY, CHEMICAL MANAGEMENT, EXECUTIVE COMPENSATION, THAT'S FAIR, HEALTHIER PRODUCTS, LIFE CYCLE ANALYSIS, PRODUCT SAFETY THAT REFRAIN FROM GUNS AND WEAPONS, SUSTAINABLE AGRICULTURE AND WATER USE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STRUCK ME IS WE DON'T SEEM TO HAVE AN ACTUAL THEME OR A MISSION OR A MISSION VISION IN OUR INVESTMENT PORTFOLIO.

AND I THINK IT WOULD BEHOOVE THIS COUNCIL AND IN THE CITY OF CHINO HILLS TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT AND PERHAPS LET'S MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.

THIS IS CALIFORNIA. LET'S REFLECT CALIFORNIA VALUES.

THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER, OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS SANDRA JOAN.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL.

SORRY I DID NOT GET BACK A SECOND TIME TO YOUR HOUSE.

MY NAME IS SANDRA JONES, AND I'VE BEEN IN HERE IN CHINO HILLS SINCE 1976, MARCH 20TH, AND I'M SO GLAD THAT I WAS ABLE TO HOST FOR THE FIRST TIME, THE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT AT MY HOUSE.

WE HAD SUCH A WONDERFUL TIME.

I WANT TO THANK THE MAYOR, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR COMING. I'M PROBABLY ONE OF THE OLDEST MEMBERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO IT WAS NICE TO SEE ALL MY YOUNG NEIGHBORS COME OUT AND SUPPORT.

THEY DID A GREAT JOB. WE HAD A POTLUCK.

I WANT TO THANK JOYCE LEE FOR REALLY MAKING IT VERY SPECIAL BECAUSE SHE TOLD ME EVERYTHING, WHAT TO DO AND HOW TO SET MY FLIER UP AND WHAT KIND OF HOST I WANT TO BE.

SO WE HAD A POTLUCK. IT WAS REALLY, REALLY NICE.

I WALKED AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND GAVE OUT 150 FLIERS.

AND SO I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO DOING IT AGAIN FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS. BUT I'M GOING TO TRAIN MY NEIGHBORS SO THAT SOMEBODY WILL DO IT AFTER ME.

BUT IT WAS REALLY A GREAT TIME.

IT WAS A GOOD EXPERIENCE.

AND I JUST WANT TO THANK CHINO HILLS FOR DOING THAT.

THANK YOU. SANDRA, I WANT YOU TO BAKE ME.

I WANT YOUR BAKED BEAN RECIPE.

ALL RIGHT, WHO'S NEXT? I CALCULATED THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER CARDS INCORRECTLY.

THERE'S ONLY FOR. THE LAST SPEAKER IS SOPHIA.

OKAY.

GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYOR.

AS YOU I, I YOU'VE KNOWN YOU'VE SEEN ME FOR A WHILE.

MY NAME IS SOPHIA. I JUST CAME BACK FROM WORK.

WORKING WITH THE ART WILDERNESS INSTITUTE, AWP FOR SHORT AT AWP.

THROUGH OUR VARIOUS PROGRAMS, WE FOCUS ON NURTURING RESILIENCE IN YOUNG PEOPLE AND TEACHING THEM TO CARE DEEPLY FOR THE ENVIRONMENT AROUND THEM.

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OUR PROGRAMS BRING CHILDREN INTO NATURE AND HELP THEM CONNECT WITH THE LAND, THE ECOSYSTEM, AND EACH OTHER IN AN ETHICAL AND SUSTAINABLE WAYS.

WE TEACH OUR CHILDREN THAT BEING KIND TO THE ENVIRONMENT IS NOT JUST ABOUT RECYCLING OR TAKING HIKES, IT'S ABOUT CHOOSING TO ACT WITH INTEGRITY.

THAT INCLUDES WORKING WITH PEOPLE AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT SHARE THOSE VALUES AND REJECTING SYSTEMS THAT ARE UNJUST OR CORRUPT.

WHICH BRINGS ME TO WHY I'M HERE TONIGHT.

I WANT TO ENCOURAGE OUR CITY, OUR LEADERS, TO BE A ROLE MODEL FOR THE VALUES WE ARE TRYING TO INSTILL IN OUR NEXT GENERATION.

IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO JUST HAVE A PHOTO OP OR DEDICATE MONTHS TO IMPORTANT CAUSES.

SYMBOLISM MATTERS, BUT ACTION IS WHAT LEAVES A LASTING IMPACT.

IF THE CITY TRULY WANTS TO CHAMPION SUSTAINABILITY AND EQUITY AND EQUITY, THOSE VALUES SHOULD BE VISIBLE IN THE DAY TO DAY DECISIONS LIKE WHO WE CONTRACT WITH, WHAT EQUIPMENTS WE USE TO MAINTAIN OUR BEAUTIFUL TRAILS AND HOW WE CAN AND HOW WE MAKE PURCHASING CHOICES.

I HAVE A LOT OF FAVORITE TRAILS.

MY FAVORITE IS HELEN MCCOY.

I LOVE EUCALYPTUS TRAIL AND I'VE TAKEN ACTUALLY MY STUDENTS TO THE CHINO HILLS WETLAND EDUCATION PARK, IF I'M SAYING IT CORRECTLY.

I LOVE THESE PARKS. I'M REMINDED OF HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO PROTECT, BUT I ALSO WANT TO WALK THOSE PATHS KNOWING THAT THEY ARE MAINTAINED WITH CARE, NOT JUST PHYSICAL CARE, PHYSICAL CARE, BUT ETHICAL CARE THAT THE TOOLS, LABORS AND MATERIALS USED WERE SOURCED IN WAYS THAT HONOR BOTH THE EARTH AND THE PEOPLE WHO WORK ON IT.

THE KIDS WE TEACH ARE WATCHING.

THEY'RE LEARNING WHAT IT MEANS TO FOLLOW THROUGH, AND THEY DESERVE TO SEE ADULTS, ESPECIALLY IN LEADERSHIP, DOING THE SAME, DOING THE SAME.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND I REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU AND URGE YOU TO LOOK AT THE PROPOSAL THAT JASPER SENT TO YOU THE ETHICAL RESPONSIBLE INVESTMENT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND YOUR CONCERNS. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? NO, THERE ARE NOT.

ALL RIGHT. NOT MOVING AROUND OR MOVING ALONG.

EXCUSE ME. NO MORE HERE.

SAFETY UPDATES. FIRE. POLICE CHIEF.

[ SAFETY UPDATES - Fire and Police]

THANK YOU. MAYOR. THIS EVENING, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE THINGS.

I REALLY JUST A COUPLE THANK YOUS FOR LONG PROJECT REALLY RELATED TO STATION 68.

THIS PROJECT STARTED PROBABLY TEN YEARS PLUS AGO, SO I'M REALLY, REALLY HAPPY TO SHARE THAT.

I BELIEVE THAT WE WILL HAVE SOME DIRT BEING MOVED AROUND.

AROUND THE FIRST WEEK OF SEPTEMBER. WE FINALLY HAVE SECURED ALL THE DOCUMENTS WE NEED. WE NEEDED. WE FORMALIZED THE AGREEMENT THAT WE NEEDED WITH THE THE LOCAL TRIBE.

SO WE ARE ROLLING FORWARD AND WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE SOME, SOME MOVEMENT THERE IN OR ABOUT THE FIRST WEEK OF SEPTEMBER.

SECONDLY, I JUST A QUICK UPDATE ON THE EUCLID INCIDENT.

SO THE FIRE THAT HAPPENED ROUGHLY A WEEK, WEEK AND A HALF AGO JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT OF HOW LARGE THE FIRE WAS, 103.1 OF THOSE ACRES RESIDED IN THE STATE RESPONSIBILITY AREA OF RIVERSIDE, WHICH WAS BASICALLY ON THE, SOME PEOPLE CALL IT THE NORTH OR THE EAST SIDE OF THE FREEWAY. WE HAD 17.2 ACRES WERE IN THE CITY OF CHINO HILLS PROPER, AND THEN 60.8 OF THOSE IN THE ARMY OR THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEER TOTALED ABOUT APPROXIMATELY 179 ACRES.

SO A HUGE THANK YOU TO ALL OF MY PERSONNEL THAT WORKED EXTREMELY HARD, ALL THE COLLABORATORS.

A BIG THANK YOU TO OUR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT, INCLUDING MY PARTNER TO MY LEFT HERE.

THE COLLABORATION WAS PHENOMENAL.

THE WORK WAS GREAT AND WE SAVED A LOT OF PROPERTY, AND WE DID A LOT OF GOOD WORK OUT THERE.

NOT ME PERSONALLY, BUT BUT ALL THE TROOPS. SO THANK YOU.

AND THEN FINALLY I'VE BEEN AT THE OFFICE HERE FOR SEVEN YEARS.

I'VE BEEN FOR CHINO VALLEY FIRE FOR 17 YEARS, TRAVELING TO THIS OFFICE HERE A WHOLE TWO MILES FROM MY HOUSE.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S CHANGED, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE ANOTHER SHOUT OUT TO MY LAW ENFORCEMENT PARTNERS, AND SPECIFICALLY TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SECURITY GUARDS. THE TRAFFIC WAS A LOT OF TRAFFIC WITH SCHOOL STARTING BACK, BUT IT SEEMED TO BE MOVING WELL.

AND AGAIN, I ATTRIBUTE THAT TO LIKELY TO THE, THE HELP THAT I'VE SEEN OUT IN THE STREET THERE, BOTH FROM THE SECURITY OF THE SCHOOL AND TO LAW ENFORCEMENT.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I THINK THAT'S HELPS KEEP US ALL SAFE AND IT MAKES OUR JOBS EASIER. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE CHIEF? NO, BUT I ECHO HIS COMMENTS.

I COME IN AROUND 815 OR 830 HERE ALMOST EVERY DAY.

AND IT HAS. I MEAN, SOMETIMES IT'S BACKED UP, WHICH IT WOULD BE AT THE KEY 15 OR 20 MINUTES, BUT SEEMS TO BE MOVING MUCH EASIER, QUICKER THAN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.

THAT'S GOOD. I AGREE. SEE YOU TOMORROW NIGHT.

HAL. THANK YOU. AND GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, CITY STAFF AND RESIDENTS IN ATTENDANCE.

AS WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT, LAST TUESDAY, AUGUST 5TH, I ALSO PARTICIPATED IN WHAT WAS MY FIFTH NATIONAL NIGHT OUT EVENT HERE IN THE CITY OF CHINO HILLS.

I WANT TO THANK ALL OF OUR WONDERFUL RESIDENTS WHO HOSTED AND OR PARTICIPATED IN THE EVENT. THE HIGH TURNOUT DIRECTLY REFLECTS OUR RESIDENTS PROACTIVITY IN BEING AWARE OF AND CARING FOR THEIR NEIGHBORS AND NEIGHBORHOODS. ONE OF THE IDEAS I PASSED ON

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TO AS MANY RESIDENTS AS I WAS ABLE WAS TO BE SURE AND CALL YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.

WHEN YOU SEE SOMETHING UNUSUAL OR SUSPICIOUS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY NOT BOTHERING US.

WE WE DO WANT TO HEAR FROM ANYBODY.

WHEN YOU SEE SUSPICIOUS PEOPLE OR SUSPICIOUS ITEMS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR SOMETHING JUST DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT. PLEASE CALL US.

ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT CAME UP QUITE A BIT WAS A COLLECTIVE CONCERN ABOUT ELECTRIC BIKES AND MOTORCYCLES, AND I'M PROUD TO POINT OUT THAT THE CHINO HILLS POLICE DEPARTMENT IS HOSTING AN E-BIKE AND MOTORCYCLE AWARENESS WORKSHOP AT THE CHINO HILLS COMMUNITY CENTER ON WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 3RD FROM 630 TO 7:30 P.M..

TOPICS DISCUSSED WILL INCLUDE REQUIRED AND RECOMMENDED SAFETY GEAR, KEY DIFFERENCES BETWEEN E-BIKES AND MOTORCYCLES, AND HOW EACH IS CLASSIFIED UNDER THE LAW, AS WELL AS APPLICABLE STATE AND LOCAL TRAFFIC REGULATIONS PERTAINING TO THE OPERATION OF E-BIKES AND MOTORCYCLES.

PRE-REGISTRATION IS ENCOURAGED BY EMAILING S KESSLER, KESSLER@SB.ORG. TEENS AND CHILDREN ARE WELCOME, BUT WE ASK THAT THEY BE ACCOMPANIED BY A PARENT OR GUARDIAN.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR EVENT, PLEASE CONTACT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AT 909 364 2000.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT FOR THE EVENING. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. GO AHEAD. SURE, CHIEF.

A QUICK QUESTION. THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL FOR DOING THE BIKE PROGRAM YOU'RE GOING TO BE HAVING. MY QUESTION IS HAVE WE SIGHTED ANYBODY? AND THE SECOND PART OF THE QUESTION IS WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN E-BIKE AND AN E-MOTORCYCLE. SO AN E-BIKE IS A PEDAL ASSISTED ELECTRONIC BICYCLE.

THEY COME IN THREE CLASSIFICATIONS.

AND THEY MAINTAIN A SPEED UNDER WITH CLASS C 28MPH.

AN E-MOTORCYCLE IS BASICALLY A DIRT BIKE.

THAT'S ELECTRONIC AS OPPOSED TO GAS POWERED.

THOSE ARE NO MORE LEGAL TO BE ON THE ROAD THAN A DIRT BIKE.

THEY'RE NOT REGISTERED. THEY DON'T HAVE THE PROPER SAFETY REQUIREMENTS TO BE STREET LEGAL. AND UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF PARENTS ARE NOT UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN AN E BICYCLE, WHICH AS I SAID, IS JUST AN ELECTRONIC ASSISTED BICYCLE. THE CLASS ONE AND TWO GO UP TO 20MPH.

AND THE CLASS C, WHICH YOU HAVE TO BE 16 OR OLDER TO OPERATE, GO UP TO 28MPH WHERE AN E-MOTORCYCLE COULD GO UP QUITE FASTER THAN THAT.

SO I'M HAPPY TO SAY PART OF THIS AWARENESS SYMPOSIUM WE'RE HAVING IS TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THE DIFFERENCES, BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF PARENTS WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND. THEY JUST THINK AN E-BIKE AND THEY'RE BUYING THEM INSTEAD. AN E-MOTORCYCLE, WHICH GOES MUCH FASTER, IS NOT STREET LEGAL.

AND YES, WE HAVE CITED QUITE A FEW PEOPLE FOR BOTH E-BIKE VIOLATIONS.

AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY NOW HAS AN ORDINANCE AGAINST OPERATING E-BIKES AND ON THE SIDEWALKS, BUT ALSO MORE CITATIONS FOR MOTORCYCLES, BECAUSE THOSE ARE NOT LEGAL TO OPERATE ON THE STREETS AND BYWAYS.

SO AND WE ALSO IMPOUND THOSE MOTORCYCLES, AND IT'S QUITE A HEFTY FINE IF YOU ARE CITED AND CAUGHT WITH OPERATING THOSE MOTORCYCLES.

THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. THE THE FUNNY PART IS THE CHIEF WAS DRIVING ME AROUND. WE WERE AT A HOME FOR NATIONAL NIGHT OUT ON BELLA VISTA.

AND HERE COMES AN E-BIKE DOING A WHEELIE FLYING DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET AND EVERYBODY TURNS. BECAUSE HE HAD JUST BEEN TALKING ABOUT E-BIKES TO SOMEONE WHO HAD ASKED THE QUESTION. SO IT WAS KIND OF IRONIC.

SO WE WERE KIND OF TEMPTING HIM TO GET IN THE CAR AND GO AFTER HIM.

BUT I SAID, PLEASE DON'T LEAVE ME. YOU KNOW, HERE WE GO. BUT THAT WAS IT WAS FUNNY, BUT IT'S REALLY, REALLY SCARY BECAUSE AND THEY'RE NOT DOING IT NECESSARILY ON SMALL SIDE STREETS. I'VE SEEN THEM GOING UP AND DOWN SOUTH PATTON AVENUE A LOT.

AND IT'S JUST, IT'S IT'S BASICALLY THEY'RE DOING IT.

IT'S A CRIME OF OPPORTUNITY.

IF THEY DON'T SEE ANYBODY AROUND, THEY'RE GOING TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH EDUCATION IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

AND, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE YOU ALL REMEMBER WE HAD A TRAGEDY ON AN E-BIKE A COUPLE OF MONTHS BACK WHERE TWO KIDS WERE RIDING WITHOUT HELMETS, WHICH FIRST OF ALL, IT WAS TWO OF THEM ON THE BIKE, BUT ONE OF THE CHILDREN DIED.

SO, I MEAN, IT'S A SERIOUS THING, SO WE REALLY NEED TO DO IT.

AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO SET UP THE THE MEETING ON IT.

WE DO APPRECIATE THAT, MR. MAYOR. YES. AND ALSO, JUST ONE QUICK THANK YOU TO TO THE CHIEF FOR HAVING OUR SROS REACH OUT TO THE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS, YOU KNOW, WITH A WITH A KID IN HIGH SCHOOL, A LOT OF THEM COME CRUISING UP.

AND IT'S NICE TO HAVE OUR SROS REACH OUT TO THEM WHEN THEY PULL UP TO THE BIKE.

YOU KNOW, THE BIKE LOCK UP AREA.

YEAH, THE BIKE RACKS TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S A, THAT'S ILLEGAL. THAT'S LEGAL, YOU KNOW, HEY, WHERE'S YOUR HELMET? AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROACTIVELY, YOU KNOW, TELLING THEM THAT. AND THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, THAT WAY THEIR PARENTS UNDERSTAND, HEY, YOU JUST BOUGHT YOUR KID A $3,000, YOU KNOW, E-BIKE OR MOTORCYCLE.

LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME RESPONSIBILITY THAT GOES WITH IT.

SO THANK YOU FOR BEING PROACTIVE WITH OUR SROS.

IT REALLY IS ABOUT THEIR SAFETY.

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AND OF COURSE, WE UNDERSTAND WHERE THERE'S NO SENSE, THERE'S NO FEELING. SO SOMETIMES AS CHILDREN ARE BECOMING YOUNG ADULTS, THEY ARE NOT THINKING CLEARLY. OR ARE THEY JUST LOOKING FOR THE THRILL OF WRITING THOSE THINGS AND PUTTING THEMSELVES IN UNNEEDED DANGER? SO CITY MANAGER UPDATE PLEASE.

[ CITY MANAGER UPDATES]

THANK YOU MAYOR. I'D JUST LIKE TO JOIN SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES WHO HAVE BEEN THANKING OUR RESIDENTS FOR THE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT EVENTS THAT THEY HOSTED.

THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR AND CODE ENFORCEMENT SUPERVISOR JOINED ME IN A VEHICLE, AND WE WERE ABLE TO VISIT SIX OF THE 28 EVENTS.

IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO GET OUT IN THE COMMUNITY.

OUR COMMUNITY RELATIONS TEAM ALSO WAS AT SEVERAL EVENTS ALONG WITH LAW AND FIRE REPRESENTATIVES AND OF COURSE, THE COUNCIL.

IT'S SO MUCH FUN TO JUST SEE EVERYONE AND HEAR FROM THEM.

AND IT'S ALWAYS COMMON THAT, AS WAS POINTED OUT EARLIER, A LOT OF TIMES THIS IS THE FIRST OR AT LEAST THE BEST OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO SEE THEIR NEIGHBORS EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY SEE THEM DAILY TO ACTUALLY TALK WITH THEM.

AND JUST, IT REALLY IS COOL FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO STEP UP AND PROVIDE THEIR HOMES OR THEIR DRIVEWAYS TO HAVE THESE EVENTS.

AND IT'S A LOT OF FUN. SO I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE TEAM THAT PULLS THIS TOGETHER AND THANK THE RESIDENTS FOR HOSTING.

DID A GREAT JOB. ALL RIGHT.

COUNCIL REPORTS. LET'S SEE.

[ COUNCIL REPORTS Vice Mayor Johsz West Valley Mosquito and Vector Control District Board Council Member Moran California Institution for Men and Women Citizen Advisory Committees Council Member Rogers Animal Resource Center of Inland Empire Joint Powers Authority Chino Hills Community Foundation Board Tres Hermanos Conservation Authority Board Water Facilities Authority Board]

VICE MAYOR JONES, WE WERE DARK IN JULY.

I HAVE NO REPORT. ALL RIGHT.

COUNCIL MEMBER MORAN. WE MET FOR THIS MORNING FOR CIWA CALIFORNIA INSTITUTION FOR WOMEN.

AND I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT TO REPORT FROM THAT.

FOR CALIFORNIA INSTITUTION FOR MEN.

JUST A COUPLE THINGS. CRC AND NORCO WILL BE CLOSING BY THE FALL OF 2026, BUT THAT WON'T HAVE ANY IMPACTS.

ON TRANSFERS TO C I'M CURRENT INMATE POPULATION IS 2243 AND WE HAVE A MAXIMUM CAPACITY OF 2800. OTHER THAN THAT, IT WAS JUST BASICALLY UPDATES.

THEY'RE GOING THROUGH SOME ACCREDITATION AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO REPORT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ONE THING THAT WAS INTERESTING THAT MARK BROUGHT UP.

SO DON'T PUT THIS IN HERE AND THERE EITHER.

MARIANNE. SO IT IT WAS INTERESTING.